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02/22/2007 01:07:54 PM · #51 |
I dont see it as very useful in Sports photography as I dont think the refresh rate could keep up with sports action.
MattO
Actually, I think live view will be very useful for sports and photo-journalist photography, but not how you think. I've always noticed that at, say, the end of a football game you see all the sports photogs with their shorter lenses gathering around the coaches and key players on the field. Since it is usually a shoving cluster of photographers, almost all of them are holding their cameras over their heads and hoping for the best. As long as the viewing angle is pretty generous, these photographers will now be able to compose MUCH more accurately on these shots. Is the viewing angle mentioned anywhere in the specs?
As far as the overall camera goes, I am REALLY impressed and tempted to save my money. I've been waiting for the 5D replacement, but this camera seems to be an amazing marriage of everything I've wanted in a camera, without going overboard. 10MP is about the perfect sweet spot between being able to crop a bit and still get a great shot you can print reasonably large, without having files that are so massive your compter is slogging along. 1.3x gives your wide angle lenses a little more room compared to 1.6x, while still giving your telephoto lenses a bit more reach than a full-frame sensor. If this thing handles noise as well or better than a 5D, I will probably go this route over a 5D or it's replacement. I also have a tentative opportunity to shoot for a soccer league, so 10fps may have a practical use for me over what I'm currently shooting. Maybe I'm just trying to justify in my own mind the possibility of owning this beast, but it sure looks good on paper! :o)
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02/22/2007 01:09:50 PM · #52 |
| Wow, lot´s of cool new features with this camera I would want in a future body. This is not a camera for me though but if I were a sports or action nutter, I would order it immediately :) |
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02/22/2007 01:19:17 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by Ben:
Originally posted by hsteg:
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Originally posted by dwterry:
10fps ... 14-bit raw files ... ISO 6400... (drool) |
I gues your not drooliong over the LIVE VIEW LCD? |
I'm not. I prefer a good OVF to any EVF or LCD. |
Same here. Not a fan of Live View. |
The real value of Live View, IMHO, is the ability to incorporate it with remote capture capabilities. There've been a number of times where I couldn't easily review images on the LCD or through the viewfinder after initial setup ... let alone be able to actively *use* the viewfinder to snap something while away from the camera without guessing. This is an awesome feature ... but not for while holding the camera necessarily.
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02/22/2007 01:22:23 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by Rob O:
couldn't easily review images on the LCD or through the viewfinder after initial setup ... |
If you can't review the images on the LCD after setup, how does liveview help ? |
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02/22/2007 01:29:11 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by Rob O:
couldn't easily review images on the LCD or through the viewfinder after initial setup ... |
If you can't review the images on the LCD after setup, how does liveview help ? |
he's probably figuring you can view the image on an external monitor via a video out cable. |
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02/22/2007 01:32:35 PM · #56 |
| Live view will certainly be useful, no doubt about that... but it's a little less useful than it might seem at first. Remember that, with the mirror swung out of the way, there is *no* AF. Focusing is purely manual. That adds a bit of a challenge to using the LCD as a viewfinder. |
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02/22/2007 01:39:33 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Live view will certainly be useful, no doubt about that... but it's a little less useful than it might seem at first. Remember that, with the mirror swung out of the way, there is *no* AF. Focusing is purely manual. That adds a bit of a challenge to using the LCD as a viewfinder. |
This is a copy and paste off the canon site Here I'm not so sure that your statement is right.
See the Whole Picture with a Live View LCD
One of the landmark functions of the EOS-1D Mark III Digital SLR is the introduction of a Live View shooting mode, tweaked to meet the needs of professional shooters. Photographers who use point-and-shoot digital cameras are familiar with looking at the LCD screen on the back of the camera to compose their images. Normally, a single lens reflex cannot do this because the mirror that lets you look through the lens is in the way. With the EOS-1D Mark III Digital SLR, a photographer has several options in addition to conventional SLR through-the-lens viewing. If the camera is going to be close at hand, the new Live View shooting mode lets the user focus and compose on the extra-large 3.0-inch LCD screen and magnify the image 5x or 10x, to achieve the optimal focus. If a user is going to be several feet away from the camera, in a studio, for example, the camera can be connected to a computer with a USB 2.0 high-speed cable. New software included with the camera, EOS Utility 2.0, lets you view what the camera is seeing in real time and control its operation. If a professional photographer is going to be far away from the camera, say, on the other side of a racetrack or stadium, or if the camera is hidden or buried someplace inaccessible, the EOS-1D Mark III Digital SLR can be operated wirelessly with the assistance of the new WFT- E2A Wireless File Transmitter. This allows users to view images directly off the camera's sensor in virtually real time with the ability to adjust many camera settings on the fly. As a side benefit, Live View shooting mode helps to reduce vibration by lifting the reflex mirror out of the optical path well in advance of the exposure, improving image quality at slow shutter speeds.
MattO
Edit to add that while it says you can focus and fine tune the focus, nowhere does it state that its all manual.
Message edited by author 2007-02-22 13:41:19.
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02/22/2007 01:41:39 PM · #58 |
<=== Feel almost guilty for not drooling over this cam... I get more of an ehh feeling from it.
Edit to add: It's definitely a PJ-centric camera and I'm sooo over that.
Message edited by author 2007-02-22 13:43:17.
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02/22/2007 01:46:50 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by kirbic:
Live view will certainly be useful, no doubt about that... but it's a little less useful than it might seem at first. Remember that, with the mirror swung out of the way, there is *no* AF. Focusing is purely manual. That adds a bit of a challenge to using the LCD as a viewfinder. |
This is a copy and paste off the canon site Here I'm not so sure that your statement is right.
See the Whole Picture with a Live View LCD
One of the landmark functions of the EOS-1D Mark III Digital SLR is the introduction of a Live View shooting mode, tweaked to meet the needs of professional shooters. Photographers who use point-and-shoot digital cameras are familiar with looking at the LCD screen on the back of the camera to compose their images. Normally, a single lens reflex cannot do this because the mirror that lets you look through the lens is in the way. With the EOS-1D Mark III Digital SLR, a photographer has several options in addition to conventional SLR through-the-lens viewing. If the camera is going to be close at hand, the new Live View shooting mode lets the user focus and compose on the extra-large 3.0-inch LCD screen and magnify the image 5x or 10x, to achieve the optimal focus. If a user is going to be several feet away from the camera, in a studio, for example, the camera can be connected to a computer with a USB 2.0 high-speed cable. New software included with the camera, EOS Utility 2.0, lets you view what the camera is seeing in real time and control its operation. If a professional photographer is going to be far away from the camera, say, on the other side of a racetrack or stadium, or if the camera is hidden or buried someplace inaccessible, the EOS-1D Mark III Digital SLR can be operated wirelessly with the assistance of the new WFT- E2A Wireless File Transmitter. This allows users to view images directly off the camera's sensor in virtually real time with the ability to adjust many camera settings on the fly. As a side benefit, Live View shooting mode helps to reduce vibration by lifting the reflex mirror out of the optical path well in advance of the exposure, improving image quality at slow shutter speeds.
MattO
Edit to add that while it says you can focus and fine tune the focus, nowhere does it state that its all manual. |
wow, this brings chimping to a whole new level ;) |
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02/22/2007 01:48:30 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by MattO:
Edit to add that while it says you can focus and fine tune the focus, nowhere does it state that its all manual. |
Yes, I've been searching for that too and Canon doesn't seem to want to put much attention to this part of live view focusing.
There is only one real reference I found and that is at this page of the Canon.jp website. You can click on the button at the bottom : "How to operate" to see how the live view is setup.
The first thing you have to do is slide the AF/MF selector to Manual Focus. After that you need to take a kazillion steps in the menu to get to where you want. A dedicated live view switch button would have been a good idea.
Message edited by author 2007-02-22 13:49:23.
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02/22/2007 01:49:31 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by Megatherian:
wow, this brings chimping to a whole new level ;) |
Can you imagine people taking pictures with this and a white lens while holding the camera at arms length? LOL.
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02/22/2007 01:50:57 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by kirbic:
Live view will certainly be useful, no doubt about that... but it's a little less useful than it might seem at first. Remember that, with the mirror swung out of the way, there is *no* AF. Focusing is purely manual. That adds a bit of a challenge to using the LCD as a viewfinder. |
This is a copy and paste off the canon site Here I'm not so sure that your statement is right... |
See the Canon white paper, here, page 24, second paragraph. |
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02/22/2007 01:52:10 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
Originally posted by MattO:
Edit to add that while it says you can focus and fine tune the focus, nowhere does it state that its all manual. |
Yes, I've been searching for that too and Canon doesn't seem to want to put much attention to this part of live view focusing.
There is only one real reference I found and that is at this page of the Canon.jp website. You can click on the button at the bottom : "How to operate" to see how the live view is setup.
The first thing you have to do is slide the AF/MF selector to Manual Focus. After that you need to take a kazillion steps in the menu to get to where you want. A dedicated live view switch button would have been a good idea. |
Maybe thats one of them things that will be able to be set up in the custom functions area huh?
MattO
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02/22/2007 01:53:02 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by Megatherian:
wow, this brings chimping to a whole new level ;) |
Can you imagine people taking pictures with this and a white lens while holding the camera at arms length? LOL. |
Almost ludicrous isn't it?
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02/22/2007 01:54:20 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by MattO:
Maybe thats one of them things that will be able to be set up in the custom functions area huh? |
Tell us when you get yours. :)
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02/22/2007 01:57:34 PM · #66 |
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02/22/2007 02:07:51 PM · #67 |
I hope Nikon will have something like this too very soon, but no doubt Canon has got this well patented:
Originally posted by Canon Whitepaper:
The new, compact Self-Cleaning Sensor Unit for the APS-H size imaging sensor has been
designed for the EOS-1D Mark III and is different from the EOS Digital Rebel XTi/400D
Digital's unit. (The Dust Delete Data specifications are the same as with the EOS Digital
Rebel XTi/400D Digital.) On the front infrared-absorption glass, two thin, single-layer
piezo-electric elements are attached. By applying ultrasonic vibration to the infraredabsorption
glass, the adhering dust is shaken off. The removed dust particles are stuck
onto absorbent material around the infrared-absorption glass. Also, to prevent dust
from entering the sensor unit, the assembly is secured with sealing material around the
perimeter. Another camera maker vibrates an extra glass plate dedicated to dust removal.
Because the EOS-1D Mark III vibrates the infrared-absorption glass directly, the optical
performance is not degraded by an extra layer of glass and the unit can be kept compact.
The Self-Cleaning Sensor Unit can therefore be incorporated in a conventional size body. |
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02/22/2007 02:09:14 PM · #68 |
| Another great use for live view, albeit a highly specialized application, is in an under water housing. After all no DSLR has a removable finder like my trusty F3, so live view is like a modern day sports finder. |
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02/22/2007 02:21:25 PM · #69 |
I missed reading this earlier, but... I absolutely LOVE the idea of sRAW!
I mostly use my 20D for wedding candids because the 5D raw file is so large. And yet, I wish for the low-noise and dynamic range of the 5D while shooting the candids, so sometimes I use both.
sRaw sounds like the perfect compromise... giving the ability to process the raw files like always, but using up a ton less memory (and disk space) to store images which are likely to never be printed beyond a 4x6" size.
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02/22/2007 02:25:12 PM · #70 |
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but this whole live view feature that they are going to have on this camera, doesnt this make it no longer a true slr? I mean how exactly does this work with the mirror foe the eyepiece.
Again excuse the ignorance.
Rich
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02/22/2007 02:25:16 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
The first thing you have to do is slide the AF/MF selector to Manual Focus. After that you need to take a kazillion steps in the menu to get to where you want. A dedicated live view switch button would have been a good idea. |
I suspect they think nobody will really use it, or use it so infrequently that it won't be worth having an easy option for it. Sounds more gimmicky than useful really - though I was shooting hooked up to a digital projector last week - now that was some serious chimping. |
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02/22/2007 02:26:46 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by hyperfocal:
Another great use for live view, albeit a highly specialized application, is in an under water housing. After all no DSLR has a removable finder like my trusty F3, so live view is like a modern day sports finder. |
That is true - so for about $10k you'll be able to finally see what you are shooting ;) |
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02/22/2007 02:27:41 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by Hot_Pixel:
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but this whole live view feature that they are going to have on this camera, doesnt this make it no longer a true slr? I mean how exactly does this work with the mirror foe the eyepiece.
Again excuse the ignorance.
Rich |
Not a stupid question. It remains a true SLR. The whole trick to the liveview is to move the mirror out of the way and expose the sensor - Live mirror Lockup if you will.
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02/22/2007 02:30:23 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by Hot_Pixel:
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but this whole live view feature that they are going to have on this camera, doesnt this make it no longer a true slr? I mean how exactly does this work with the mirror foe the eyepiece.
Again excuse the ignorance.
Rich |
Not a stupid question. It remains a true SLR. The whole trick to the liveview is to move the mirror out of the way and expose the sensor - Live mirror Lockup if you will. |
Thanks, So basically you cannot still use the eye piece and the lcd at the same time. Only one or the other. due to the lock up. Would this cause degragation of the pixels seeing that they are sensing the light for a longer period of time hence heating them more? possibly shorting the life of the sensor?
Rich
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02/22/2007 02:37:43 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by Hot_Pixel:
Thanks, So basically you cannot still use the eye piece and the lcd at the same time. Only one or the other. due to the lock up. Would this cause degragation of the pixels seeing that they are sensing the light for a longer period of time hence heating them more? possibly shorting the life of the sensor?
Rich |
Well, video camera sensors don't seem to be bother by constant exposure... so I'm guessing no it won't shorten the life of the sensor.
As far as depredation of the image goes.. the sensor is probably "wiped" before the shutter closes for the actual shot. Live view = open - shot = close open close. I think live view will be putting more actuations on the shutter, which may cause IT to fail sooner.
And no, you can not use the eyepiece and Liveview at the same time.
*All of what I said is false if Canon used a second sensor for Liveview, but I'm fairly sure they didn't.
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