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06/24/2003 06:30:34 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by smellyfish1002:
It looks like this thread turned into "how do you vote" instead of the original topic, which was the possibility that some voters give low scores to good images to affect the placement of that photo in the final rankings. THere is a great deal of good discussion here about subjectivity and voting methods, but the original question was about 'unethical' voting.
Correct me if I'm wrong... |
I think the original post says if you consistantly disagree with the majority popular opinion you should be kicked out of the site.
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06/24/2003 06:39:43 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by casualguy:
I know the process of picking the best image is rather subjective, but I believe the voting process is being abused by some of the DPC participants. |
This is the portion of the original post that makes me feel the subject is unethical voting, not a different opinion than the majority.
Problem is, there is no way to determine if someone is voting unethically to sway the results, or if they just have a different opinion of a good score.
Either way, there is no way for site administrators to warn or punish voters out of sync with the majority.
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06/24/2003 06:46:36 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by smellyfish1002:
Problem is, there is no way to determine if someone is voting unethically to sway the results, or if they just have a different opinion of a good score. |
Indeed, the "magical sway vote removal system" has nullified some of my sincere votes while keeping a whole challenge's worth of bad votes (see my previous post). Alas, I think the voting process should be completely opened up to corruption and sway voting. How about vote by proxy? |
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06/24/2003 06:55:47 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by smellyfish1002:
It looks like this thread turned into "how do you vote" instead of the original topic, which was the possibility that some voters give low scores to good images to affect the placement of that photo in the final rankings. THere is a great deal of good discussion here about subjectivity and voting methods, but the original question was about 'unethical' voting.
Correct me if I'm wrong... |
I think the original post says if you consistantly disagree with the majority popular opinion you should be kicked out of the site. |
At what level would the cut be set? If I score an image as 5 and it averages 6.5 am I wrong?
If Jim had used the Iraqi flag for 'Liberty and Justice' would it have scored so highly? It would still have been a 'technically excellent' photo.
Yes, I get hacked off if I receive a score of 1 when I'm averaging 6 but I'm not going to harange them and tell them 'give it a six because everyone else is'.
What's next a published set of guidelines on what how to vote? Rules cannot take into account the emotive qualities of an image on a worldwide audience. |
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06/24/2003 07:21:41 PM · #55 |
For the record, I DO believe that a voter can vote which ever way he/she feels fit. If they want to give all ones to every picture week after week that's up to them. At the same time, I think the site admins. have every right to question such pattern low voting. If they have an algorithm to filter out malicious voting then that's just fine with me. Say what you like it happens, but as someone pointed out, a great picture is going to do well even with the malicious votes. FWIW, I don't think casualguy was suggesting a public lynching or jail time for arrent voting BTW.
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06/24/2003 07:29:11 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by orussell:
FWIW, I don't think casualguy was suggesting a public lynching or jail time for arrent voting BTW. |
No, he was suggesting they be removed from the site. |
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06/24/2003 07:31:36 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by hbunch7187:
Originally posted by orussell:
FWIW, I don't think casualguy was suggesting a public lynching or jail time for arrent voting BTW. |
No, he was suggesting they be removed from the site. |
OK, well maybe just a warning ;)
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06/24/2003 07:33:16 PM · #58 |
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06/24/2003 07:51:03 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by robsmith:
What's next a published set of guidelines on what how to vote? Rules cannot take into account the emotive qualities of an image on a worldwide audience. |
May be off my original subject.... but yes, I think it would be fine to have a set of guidelines (not laws) on how to vote (or should I say use the current voting scale). Some in the forum mention using part of the scale (ie. 1-5) instead of the whole scale. If the scale is 1 thru 10 then the whole scale should be used in ranking an image. What would you say if a teacher decided to use the bottom of the scale to grade his/her students, ie. C to F, regardless of the students?
Accounting for the emotive qualities of an image, or some of the other infrequent examples for garnering 1's are kind of 'off topic'. My original post and subsequent follow-up was targeting the possibility of identifing a users (if any) that consistantly place conspicuously bad scores on (in the majorities view) good images.
What a mouth full.... I guess I'm up to 3 cents (:
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06/24/2003 08:27:03 PM · #60 |
While I recognize your liberty to vote as you see fit, and indeed we all have the freedom here, I question your method. I'd guess that most of us vote according to our personal taste to some degree, I must look beyond that. For example we have had several submissions in the last year, that depicted domestic violence. I wouldn't hang them on my wall, but I must recognize that not all photography is produced for asthetic purposes, eg: to hang on my living room wall.
Don't you think we need to recognize and encourage, the use of our craft to enlighten, or educate, and even disturb?
Please don't take me wrong. Art photography is a gift to the world, imo, but so are "other" types of pictures.
Now, when we vote we do need to take many things into consideration. How effective is the image? Does it have a message? I may disagree with the message, but if it effectively conveys something, good, bad, or ugly, I must give credit where credit is due.
If the pic is "technically challenged" I try to point this out to the photographer. I do sometimes give a low score, but I'll explain it.
Anyway....just mho. :-)
Originally posted by Gordon:
I think this would be a really bad idea.
We have a scale from 1 to 10, what is so bad about people choosing to use it ?
While everyone has their own personal interpretation of what '1' means, the only guide actually given is that 1 is bad and 10 is good.
My personal interpretation of 'bad' could be I'd never hang this on my wall. From that it would be reasonable to vote about 70 or 80% of my scores as 1s. This is not wrong, or incorrect or something that should be corrected. It would simply be my voting approach which would be perhaps different from others.
If some people choose to never vote below a 4, that is also their choice, even if I personally would find it difficult to not claim that some pictures entered are actually 'bad' |
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06/24/2003 08:32:33 PM · #61 |
| gracious's post got me thinking about my rating scale, where I have the 10's as something I would put on my wall. I've given 10's to something that I wouldn't put on "my" wall. I guess it's something that could be put on "some" wall, be it a gallery wall or a magazine page, etc. I encourage people to submit different types of images that won't necessarily do well on here, and I try to let them know that through my comments. |
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06/24/2003 08:41:25 PM · #62 |
Jason, You're just soooooooo open-minded! :-)
Originally posted by JasonPR:
gracious's post got me thinking about my rating scale, where I have the 10's as something I would put on my wall. I've given 10's to something that I wouldn't put on "my" wall. I guess it's something that could be put on "some" wall, be it a gallery wall or a magazine page, etc. I encourage people to submit different types of images that won't necessarily do well on here, and I try to let them know that through my comments. |
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06/24/2003 08:45:15 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by Gracious:
Jason, You're just soooooooo open-minded! :-)
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Gracious, are you mocking me? ;) |
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06/24/2003 08:49:44 PM · #64 |
Uh ohhhh....busted! You don't mind do ya?
Originally posted by JasonPR:
Originally posted by Gracious:
Jason, You're just soooooooo open-minded! :-)
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Gracious, are you mocking me? ;) |
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06/24/2003 08:51:14 PM · #65 |
yes. i am highly offended. you should be banned forever along with the people who give winning photos low scores.
sure i might sound pathetic, im just trying to explain my voting system, more to myself than anyone else. thanks for reminding me not to think outloud... |
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06/25/2003 04:29:08 AM · #66 |
Jason - thinking out loud, especially about the way you vote, is good for the site IMO: the more people consider the process of giving scores the better. That's what's good about this kind of thread turning up again and again.
Ed
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06/25/2003 05:52:58 AM · #67 |
| Punish people people from voting 1 on a winner picture looks like the way that dictatorial governments proceeds to elections....Everyone should be free to vote how they want, when they want, from 1 to 10, and the voting kept secret |
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