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02/05/2007 02:28:33 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by rex:
Sorry I only have 2 girls so I tend to use a female scenario more often. The same would hold true for me if I had a son. |
Okay well as long as ur mind is on track im okay with it lol |
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02/05/2007 02:30:57 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by rex:
Well if all you parents would put your daughter in either position does that change your opinion?
If your daughter is being photogrpahed by a male photographer that is 16 or 22.
How would you fell if she was 16 and the photographer was 16?
How would you feel if she was 16 and the photogrpaher was 22?
How would you feel if she was 22 and the phgotographer was 22?
How would you feel if she was 22 and the photographer was 16? |
I would have no problem with either one of these situations, provided that my daughter will be wise enough to make adult decissions by the time she is 16 (She's 3 now :P ), and I would certainly not feel any different depending on the age of the photographer.
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02/05/2007 02:31:36 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by rex:
Well if all you parents would put your daughter in either position does that change your opinion?
If your daughter is being photogrpahed by a male photographer that is 16 or 22.
How would you fell if she was 16 and the photographer was 16?
How would you feel if she was 16 and the photogrpaher was 22?
How would you feel if she was 22 and the phgotographer was 22?
How would you feel if she was 22 and the photographer was 16? |
again my defense. at 16 you should be old enough and mature enough to make your own decisions.
say i was old and had a 16-17 year old daughter. and shes mature i would leave it up to her. let her make her own decisions, its her life. its a real shame seeing so many parents censoring and blocking their almost adult kids because they dont think its right. Let them make their own successes and mistakes.
in no way wouldi photograph someone nude underage unless it was completly art(nothing seductive or sexual in any manner) and knew fully what was going on and what is was for.(and i would only photograph my girlfriend of course who has complete trust in me). to all parents i think you should giveyour kids some responsability and let THEM pick what is right and what isnt! |
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02/05/2007 02:32:46 AM · #29 |
Has anyone read the parental consent waiver for underage photogs?
=============== DPC Waiver Text for Minors =============
I authorize my daughter/son, _________________________, to participate on the web site //www.dpchallenge.com. I am agreeing to the Terms of Use (found at //dpchallenge.com/terms.php) for her/him, since s/he is underage. I will be held liable for any actions that s/he takes on the web site.
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02/05/2007 02:33:39 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by mark_u_U:
I would have no problem with either one of these situations, provided that my daughter will be wise enough to make adult decissions by the time she is 16 (She's 3 now :P ), and I would certainly not feel any different depending on the age of the photographer. |
LOL! Easy enough to say while your daughter is 3. We'll ask you again when she's 16. Maybe Leroy can come over and photograph her? ;-)
Message edited by author 2007-02-05 02:33:51. |
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02/05/2007 02:34:23 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by noisemaker:
to all parents i think you should giveyour kids some responsability and let THEM pick what is right and what isnt! |
I do but while they are under 18 and living in my house I set the rules.
I will let them listen to any type of music, let them choose their own haircuts. But when it comes to underage nudes no way
When my daughters get of legal age they can do what they choose. I just hope I helped guide them on the right path.
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02/05/2007 02:34:33 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by mark_u_U:
I would have no problem with either one of these situations, provided that my daughter will be wise enough to make adult decissions by the time she is 16 (She's 3 now :P ), and I would certainly not feel any different depending on the age of the photographer. |
LOL! Easy enough to say while your daughter is 3. We'll ask you again when she's 16. Maybe Leroy can come over and photograph her? ;-) |
ART OMG DONT GO THERE! :-) |
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02/05/2007 02:34:41 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Has anyone read the parental consent waiver for underage photogs?
=============== DPC Waiver Text for Minors =============
I authorize my daughter/son, _________________________, to participate on the web site //www.dpchallenge.com. I am agreeing to the Terms of Use (found at //dpchallenge.com/terms.php) for her/him, since s/he is underage. I will be held liable for any actions that s/he takes on the web site. |
I don't think that includes nudes - you can't waive those legalities as far as I know. |
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02/05/2007 02:34:42 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by mark_u_U:
I would have no problem with either one of these situations, provided that my daughter will be wise enough to make adult decissions by the time she is 16 (She's 3 now :P ), and I would certainly not feel any different depending on the age of the photographer. |
LOL! Easy enough to say while your daughter is 3. We'll ask you again when she's 16. Maybe Leroy can come over and photograph her? ;-) |
Sure, ask me again in 13 years ;) |
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02/05/2007 02:35:55 AM · #35 |
| This sure is a tough one, i feel bad for noisemaker, he is obviously a very tallented photographer and its a shame that his age is holding him back in some respects. I am probably wrong but ill say this anyways, i was under the understanding that provided the photograph is not sexual (which his was not, the little bits were covered up lol) that they were allowed to be sold as art, if this is the case why can they not be shown here? I know nothing about the whole parental consent stuff so ill leave it at that. You took a very nice, and tastefully done photograph there noisemaker, you should be proud of it and im sorry you got DQ'd |
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02/05/2007 02:35:57 AM · #36 |
In the words of Chris Rock. I only have one job as a Daddy to my girls............that is to keep them off the pole.
If I do that I have succeeded.
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02/05/2007 02:36:07 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
I don't think that includes nudes - you can't waive those legalities as far as I know. |
I would assume it would waive the actions of the photog, but not for hosting a nude image of an underage girl. That's were the problem wit h that image arises. Not from the age of the photographer.
But, I'm still searching for precedence... damn I wish I still had Lexus/Nexus access...
Message edited by author 2007-02-05 02:38:15.
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02/05/2007 02:36:15 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by super-dave:
Originally posted by noisemaker:
does a <18 year old need consent to dip into daddys dirty magazines?
what about free porn sites? |
dude ... i'm on your side and i'm not talking about my beliefs, i'm talking about what's legal!! actually read what i say before quoting me and misrepresenting my statements.
free porn sites are for 18+ only ... hence the disclaimers ... but kids surfing porn at home is still techically illegal, even though nothing cnan be done about it.
i agree with fotoman that you handled yourself very professionally after your DQ. you admitted that your model was underange (you could have lied) and you didn't bitch and grumble about the DQ.
i have no problem with you shooting nudes mate!!
i'm saying that DPC has to consider the legality of it.
btw, don't use facetious arguments to justify your point. two wrongs don't make a right. just because you can flip through daddy's playboys without getting caught, doesn't have any bearing on whether you can legally photograph naked women! :o) <--- that's a smilie, means i'm saying this in a light hearted and jovial fashion. LOL |
haha sorry mate!
totally just got in the "zone" and starting read everything as a negative.
i do agree with my DQ and should of asked first.
and thank you for hte support.
i guess the point im trying to get across is not that i think this should of been allowed but more so to open all you parents up with kids my age that let them choose for themselves there old enough! still watch over but its life and there going to have to start playing sooner or later! and just start em' off sooner! |
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02/05/2007 02:36:51 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by noisemaker:
Originally posted by super-dave:
in noisemaker's defence, i am more concerned with underage models.
however, rex does raise an interesting point. legally, a photographer may need parental consent to shoot nudes.
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does a <18 year old need consent to dip into daddys dirty magazines?
what about free porn sites? |
photographing children (those who are under the legal age of 18)is viewed by many as child pornography. I think DPC needs to protect themselves from that and this has every right to DQ the image. I still agree with Rex wholeheartedly too. As a parent I would be pretty ticked off at you had you posted a photo of my under age child in the nude. |
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02/05/2007 02:37:38 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by rex:
In the words of Chris Rock. I only have one job as a Daddy to my girls............that is to keep them off the pole.
If I do that I have succeeded. |
I hope your kidding. Otherwise, I feel sorry for your girls. |
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02/05/2007 02:38:56 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by mark_u_U:
Originally posted by rex:
In the words of Chris Rock. I only have one job as a Daddy to my girls............that is to keep them off the pole.
If I do that I have succeeded. |
I hope your kidding. Otherwise, I feel sorry for your girls. |
Yeah I am kidding. My girls are my life and without them I would be nothing.................
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02/05/2007 02:39:16 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by ShutterPug:
Originally posted by noisemaker:
Originally posted by super-dave:
in noisemaker's defence, i am more concerned with underage models.
however, rex does raise an interesting point. legally, a photographer may need parental consent to shoot nudes.
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does a <18 year old need consent to dip into daddys dirty magazines?
what about free porn sites? |
photographing children (those who are under the legal age of 18)is viewed by many as child pornography. I think DPC needs to protect themselves from that and this has every right to DQ the image. I still agree with Rex wholeheartedly too. As a parent I would be pretty ticked off at you had you posted a photo of my under age child in the nude. |
please read some of my other posts andyou will see i agreed 110% with the DQ. i do not agree how young adults these days get censored from so much when there living under the "big boss". |
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02/05/2007 02:39:26 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by noisemaker:
again my defense. at 16 you should be old enough and mature enough to make your own decisions.
say i was old and had a 16-17 year old daughter. and shes mature i would leave it up to her. let her make her own decisions, its her life. |
problem is alot of 16 year old's ARN'T mature enough to make decisions like these, you've shown you are the acception to this as far as im concerned but i know at 16 i wasn't lol.
edit to add something i just thought of: Why is it that (geeze how do i phrase this lol) its ok to photograph say...i dunno... a little baby bum lol, but its not ok for a 16(?)yr old nude, especially in this case when it was very tastefully done and didn't show too much? What classifies it as Child pornography or art, and at what age is it now considered child pornography? I hope this makes sense, its late and im not thinking straight lol. This makes sense in my head and thats all that matters :)
edit #2: i didn't realize you DID enter a photo not covered up, this changes a few things i said, but i stand by most of it.
Message edited by author 2007-02-05 02:50:02. |
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02/05/2007 02:41:23 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by rex:
Now answer this. Did it ever cross your mind that your girlfriend was underage and that could cause a problem? |
Can you answer this question  noisemaker
And do their parents know you posted this photo?
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02/05/2007 02:42:07 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by rex:
Originally posted by mark_u_U:
Originally posted by rex:
In the words of Chris Rock. I only have one job as a Daddy to my girls............that is to keep them off the pole.
If I do that I have succeeded. |
I hope your kidding. Otherwise, I feel sorry for your girls. |
Yeah I am kidding. My girls are my life and without them I would be nothing................. |
just because there your life doesnt mean you need to censor everything they do. if you dont trust your daughters enough that they would be fine and be responsible. then gain your trust with them, talk with them, gain a friendship. me and my mom are like best friends and i tell her everything. she knows i drink, knows ive done a nude shoot. But she knows im responsible and can make right decisions. Put some trust and faith into your girls. |
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02/05/2007 02:42:34 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by rex:
Originally posted by rex:
Now answer this. Did it ever cross your mind that your girlfriend was underage and that could cause a problem? |
Can you answer this question noisemaker
And do their parents know you posted this photo? |
Hehe the real question is does their parents know that he's seen her nude |
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02/05/2007 02:42:48 AM · #47 |
//www.gazette.com/display.php?id=1307745 Interesting article, I found. Might shed a little light... still searching.
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02/05/2007 02:43:34 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by rex:
Originally posted by rex:
Now answer this. Did it ever cross your mind that your girlfriend was underage and that could cause a problem? |
Can you answer this question noisemaker
And do their parents know you posted this photo? |
if you scroll up you see ive answered your question.
and yes, they know its artistic and trust both me and her. |
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02/05/2007 02:44:43 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by noisemaker:
i guess the point im trying to get across is not that i think this should of been allowed but more so to open all you parents up with kids my age that let them choose for themselves there old enough! still watch over but its life and there going to have to start playing sooner or later! and just start em' off sooner! |
Thanks for the advice. I'll take it under consideration. ;-)
Lines are drawn - in the U.S. 18 is the age of an adult. When my kids turn 18 (as 3 of them have), they can make their own decisions. By your logic (which I don't blame you for since you're only 16), a "mature" 9 year old is ok to shoot or be shot? I've known lots of 9 year olds - even 6 year olds that were more mature than some 16 or even 18 year olds. Again, the line has been drawn at 18. I know 10 year olds that can drive, but they can't drive legally.
Anyway, as should be clear, nobody is getting on you about anything other than your age, which is not an issue of opinion. |
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02/05/2007 02:44:45 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by rainmotorsports:
Originally posted by rex:
Originally posted by rex:
Now answer this. Did it ever cross your mind that your girlfriend was underage and that could cause a problem? |
Can you answer this question noisemaker
And do their parents know you posted this photo? |
Hehe the real question is does their parents know that he's seen her nude |
yes they do. and they also know that we have safe sex and know that she made the right decision and knew that she thought about it for along time before we did anything. |
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