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10/17/2002 05:34:40 PM · #1 |
It is not fair Drew that some people get to rant and when others want to express their opinions they get cut off. Next time someone complains about something it should be locked immediatly, before it does get out of hand. And I was just kidding about what I said in johnnys rant. Somehow it got messed up. To weird.
Excuse the spelling. Sorry if I offended anyone in that last rant. Friends still? |
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10/17/2002 05:38:32 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by Sonifo:
It is not fair Drew that some people get to rant and when others want to express their opinions they get cut off. Next time someone complains about something it should be locked immediatly, before it does get out of hand. And I was just kidding about what I said in johnnys rant. Somehow it got messed up. To weird.
Excuse the spelling. Sorry if I offended anyone in that last rant. Friends still?
I'm sorry that you feel it was unfair. I locked that thread. It
was providing absolutely no positive value what so ever.
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10/17/2002 05:51:12 PM · #3 |
I agree with Gordon. There is a difference between ranting and being abusive... :)
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10/17/2002 05:52:31 PM · #4 |
Sonja,
I hid your post because I was trying to turn the conversation (and the site for that matter) around. The internet is a very hard place to discern intention from plain text. That thread was rightly locked, and others like it in the future will be, too. Nothing personal at all, and I hope you don't take it that way.
Anyone upset that they can't fight, bicker, and argue in the forums ... allow me show you the door.
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10/17/2002 05:55:26 PM · #5 |
Ok and lol on "the door" It is to cold to go outside and play.
Sonja |
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10/18/2002 12:17:30 AM · #6 |
If people can't have spirited arguments about art here, what's the point?
It definitely wouldn't be interesting to me anymore.
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10/18/2002 12:28:44 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by lisae:
If people can't have spirited arguments about art here, what's the point?
It definitely wouldn't be interesting to me anymore.
Spirited arguments are one thing, name calling and verbal attacks against a specific person are another.
Ok...I'm REALLY going to bed this time.
Have a good night everyone.
~Heather~
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10/18/2002 12:45:29 AM · #8 |
I think the person who started the thread was being abusive and degrading others. I think that it should have been locked from the get go. I do think that people are getting out of hand. And something should be done. I hope you know that I was just kidding. I am really a nice person and easy to get along with. I think this place is great. Thanks Drew and Langdon for this sight. I am loving it. I love taking photos. I am having the time of my life. I am finally doing something for me and not my kids or husband, but ME.
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10/18/2002 01:25:53 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by Sonifo:
I am having the time of my life. I am finally doing something for me and not my kids or husband, but ME.
:))
Sonja
That's SO COOL :). But this is the point, as I see it. A large amount of what goes on in the creative world is a very individualistic, personal need to express things. Much of it comes from a sense of alienation. People who don't see the world the way everyone else does have a hard time working out how to get through life without constantly coming into conflict with the people around them. They have to let it out some way that isn't damaging or violent.
Sometimes it's in their artwork, sometimes it's just a meaningless rant. The internet has turned out to be a great place for people to exercise these daemons. So if you give people a place to show their art along with a place to get things off their chest (the forums), on the internet, you have a powerful place for people to let it all out.
Sure, it comes into conflict with other people's needs at times, and it may be difficult to sit through this week in and week out for regulars like us, but it's always going to happen. For me, arguments are what get me thinking and I like them. I read all the most argumentative threads here. If it gets down to personal abuse and namecalling, that's too far, but a rant like johnny's wasn't really like that, it was just the kind of thing I would expect a "rant" forum to be there to accomodate. If it's in there, and not posted somewhere else, I personally don't mind.
I'm not going to push this view though. As a moderator, I'll do what I can to stop things being personal, but as a user I want to see the discussions that come out of rants like johnny's. If most users don't, then that's fine, but it would make this site a lot less interesting for me (as I said).
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10/18/2002 07:29:24 AM · #10 |
I agree we need to let the rants go.
If people start using profanity, racial slurs then that may need to be edited but if someone is being an a--hole and the other folks say " Hey bud, you're being an a--hole"..maybe their the only people in his/her life honest enough to tell them.
And I don't want private messages for disagreements. If a beef you have with me and what you have to say to me is too persoanl to discuss in public automatically assume I ain't interested in hearing it in private.
But I agree with Drew...if this site or comments bug people too much..there are lots of other tasty choices that will suit your needs on the internet or in real life.
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10/18/2002 10:08:38 AM · #11 |
I don't know which of the moderators made my post of yesterday evening "disappear", but before we all get unfriendly about that, I want to say that I don't have a problem with that. My tone was reflexively rude and rather inconsiderate, and to a certain extent we don't need that. I definitely do not envy the moderators their difficult job. I do find it frustrating that whiners and complainers are usually given their soapbox, because we are afraid that they will scream "First Amendment" if we don't let them talk. I think it is clear that those people are not in search of harmony, so it's frustrating when responses are silenced but the troublemakers are not. Some enjoy "spirited conversation" and that is their privilege as well, but I don't think they have the "right" to ask me not to be spirited in my response. If we let people rant without inhibition, it is truly disappointing to not be allowed to respond in kind.
My post included no profanity. My post included no name calling. My post was directed at art snobbery and supposed artists who live by that creed. Yet, someone who refers to my kid as just another kneebiter that nobody "else" gives a rat's patoot about, he is left alone. That, friends, is my disappointment with this situation.
But I carry no grudge, and again, I am not here to criticize moderators. Gordon, thank you for locking the thread. If you removed my post, that's fine. Whoever did it, I'm cool with it. You guys have to keep this thing in control, and you basically do a great job that I personally thank you for.
My point here is to encourage you not to be afraid to stop the trouble at it's source rather than making the rest of us feel like we just have to put up with it :-)
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10/18/2002 10:13:35 AM · #12 |
I try to let the rants go on. It is when they turn personal that
I stop them. It can be a hard balance to strike and I apologise in
advance if I get it wrong on occasion.
Spirited debate, defence of concepts/ styles/ opinions is okay
but the name calling is largely pointless and detremental to the
site.
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10/18/2002 10:46:24 AM · #13 |
The rant that started yesterday where you were cut of Sonifo, I'm pretty sure that came about due to my picture, judging by the comment I received just a few minutes prior. I reckon if someone wants to vote my picture down, not because it sucks, but because they're tired of the same subjects or whatever, just move on to the next one. You don't HAVE to vote on it. I think that's more fair than voting it a 1. What if it is a good picture? The comment that was left for mine even said "this is a perfectly great photo." The rant started out about the same way as my comment did too, almost word for word. gotta run...
Thanks for listening.
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10/18/2002 01:33:45 PM · #14 |
As most of us know DPChallenge is a great site. Perfect? Nah! Haven't found perfection any where yet. Drew and Langdon and the moderators are doing their best to keep it a great site. Some members seem to want to push the envelope, and in the procees instigate heated debate and hard feelings. This is most unfortunate because if we allow ourselves to get all riled up and the problems persist, Drew and Langdon will surely get sick of it and throw in the towel. This shouldn't be a headache to them or anyone.
We are all here because of one commonality. Digital photography. We all may have other things in common with various other members but if we don't stick to photography here we may end up losing out. Those few who seem intent on proving everyone is wrong but them shouldn't be given the satisfaction of us arguing with them. I really think we need to IGNORE their off-the-wall comments. They'll probably get sick of it and leave anyway. Some people just like to criticize others. We really shouldn't fall into the argumentive trap here. Btw...I know I've fallen into it too, so I speak to myself as well.
This is a great site. Let's keep it that way. :-)
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10/18/2002 03:09:11 PM · #15 |
I asked a while back if it was technically possible for one user to set another user on mute. Not meaning the muted person couldn't post, just that the person that set them to mute wouldn't have to see posts or comments from them anymore. Last time I mentioned this, a fair number of folks said I was trying to censor the forums. In actuality, I'm just looking for an easy way to ignore 1 or 2 bad apples that make me consider taking the door Drew posted earlier.
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