Wildlife results .....seriously.

01/30/2007 02:12:58 PM · #76

Originally posted by tooohip:

Originally posted by Ivo:
I thought part of the effort was to seek out wildlife rather than taking a "frozen fuzzy" out of the closet.

Welcome to DPC, where frozen fuzzy scores 8+ and creative, artistic scores 5.5. ;-)

Funny I don't recall seeing many "creative, artistic" entries in the 5.5 realm. Perhaps you meant more "unique" or "different" because creative and artistic tend to do very well here when there's a professional touch to them.

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jaysonmc

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01/30/2007 02:17:05 PM · #77

Originally posted by yanko:

Ouch! I think the semantics between "creative" vs "different/unique" could be argued... Though artisic is a fair enough usage. Cheers.

EDIT:
I do agree though, certain basic photography rules still apply. That's why I participate myself, for the practice.

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fotomann_forever

01/30/2007 02:22:55 PM · #78

Originally posted by yanko:

OK, sometimes creative and artistic score in the 5.* range but they generally garner a lot of comments (both positive and negative). that's the nature of the beast with anything controversial.

But, I don't see the need to constantly bitch about the top-scoring photos. Face it everyone, the photos are judged on the popular vote. Thus, DPC is and always will be catered to "pop-art" and what is trendy at the moment. Sorry, but that's how the cookie crumbles. And, if ya don't like it, guess what? No other popular vote site is going to be any different.

There are three answers to the delemna:
1) Get over it and shoot what you like and be happy with the comments you receive that say they like it.
2) Shoot what DPC likes and score higher
3) Give up and take up another hobby. *Hoping noone will take that option*

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01/30/2007 03:35:25 PM · #79

Don't get me wrong. I'm not knocking anybody's work. Two of my 9s in this challenge went to entries that scored under 5.8 both of which looked pretty much straight from the camera. All I care about is seeing a compelling image and not how you took it or how you processed it or how you had to go to Mars to get it.

Btw, my second entry submitted on this site was a photo of a cat which was heavily processed. Despite getting great comments from people like graphicfunk, structor and arngrimur, all whom I respect, the photo scored a 5.67. Probably because it was too edited as I got comments that mentioned it being "digital art" and "photo paint". I thought it look very good and showed some uniqueness in it's composition. I've also had plenty of other heavily edited images not do well so to assume that heavy edits = high scores is unfounded. Yakame's wildlife shot in this challenge and the countless number of Scalvert shots should be proof of that.

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zarniwoop

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01/30/2007 03:43:52 PM · #80

Originally posted by tooohip:

Welcome to DPC, where frozen fuzzy scores 8+ and creative, artistic scores 5.5. ;-)

I love the way that everyone who believes that they know what creativity and indeed 'art' itself is and feels that the 'masses' don't, also believes that true artistic endeavour can and should be rewarded and judged by a mark out of ten.

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littlegett

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01/30/2007 03:49:07 PM · #81

Originally posted by zarniwoop:

Originally posted by tooohip:

Welcome to DPC, where frozen fuzzy scores 8+ and creative, artistic scores 5.5. ;-)

I love the way that everyone who believes that they know what creativity and indeed 'art' itself is and feels that the 'masses' don't, also believes that true artistic endeavour can and should be rewarded and judged by a mark out of ten.

Guess I can be glad I am nobody than, and not 'everyone' Because I don't know anything, except I know what I like, as well as What I don't like.

e301

01/30/2007 03:51:27 PM · #82

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

There are three answers to the delemna:
1) Get over it and shoot what you like and be happy with the comments you receive that say they like it.
2) Shoot what DPC likes and score higher
3) Give up and take up another hobby. *Hoping noone will take that option*

No, actually. Those who believe this place can and should be more interesting than it is should keep making themselves heard, else DPC will become a relentless parade of fundamentally similar photographs. Though that may already have happened, I think.

Bear_Music

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01/30/2007 03:56:51 PM · #83

Originally posted by zarniwoop:

I'm not sure that's the point. It's more like, "truly creative/artistic work, more or less by definition is more likely to polarize voters than mainstream imagery": high votes cancel out low votes, and scores are more average. Images with high average scores owe that average as much to a scarcity of 3-and-under scores as they do to a preponderance of 7-and-over scores.

R.

Bear_Music

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01/30/2007 03:58:12 PM · #84

Originally posted by e301:

You gotta love my "Nude IV" shot, then ;-)

R.

Cutter

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01/30/2007 04:00:05 PM · #85

Originally posted by e301:

.... else DPC will become a relentless parade of fundamentally similar photographs. Though that may already have happened, I think.

Ahh, don't be too fatalistic. I think nearly all the images on the front page right now are solid. I mean its just a snapshot of DPC on the whole, but if you check out the top 10 in the "Best of 2006", there is some serious variety in there.

Question: If you are striving for originality and creativity for DPC as a community, than arguably that is your calling card for your own portfolio, no? If you take that logic, and believe DPC is too DPC for your tastes, than I would call attention to how many people have favorited you and your photos. There are a lot who respect your work. So at the very least shouldn't our more "original" photographers use that as an "MO" for contribution; to slowly and steadily have a positive impact on our peers-to add substance in effect?

JunieMoon

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01/30/2007 04:08:08 PM · #86

I was truly disappointed at my score. I thought I had really captured a definite personality trait of my subject, which to me is as much a part of wildlife as a hawk swooping down for a kill. I did not receive any comments that it was liked by anybody, so I guess going out in 15 degree weather with a windchill of 3 was all for naught. Of course, I also did not get any hate comments either, but I guess I had higher expectations. Oh well, it was a difficult piece to edit. Not sure if it was the editing that kept the score below 50%, or a boring image. Anybody want to give me some insight?

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zarniwoop

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Nikon AF Nikkor 35mm f/2.0D

01/30/2007 04:10:32 PM · #87

EDIT inserted quote for clarity

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

True, but that is partly my point; phrased in a much clearer and less antagonistic manner. I just find it funny that people who care about creativity also care about a score. Most of the people whom I know that care deeply about artistic expression, effortlessly recognise that the more strongly something moves them, the more strongly it's likely to disgust something else.
On a site like this it's natural that the stuff that gets to the top will rarely move anyone to tears: it's a popularity contest, and a certain element of blandness(sorry to high scorers the only other word I could think of is inoffensiveness and I didn't want to imply that good art is necessarily 'offensive') is essential.

Though, on that note, it would be very interesting to see the standard deviation for each set of votes on a picture as well.

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fotomann_forever

01/30/2007 04:10:42 PM · #88

Originally posted by e301:

I see quite the contrary. The bar is constantly rising and trends evolve/devolve much in the same way as any popular art.

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01/30/2007 04:12:59 PM · #89

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by zarniwoop:
I love the way that everyone who believes that they know what creativity and indeed 'art' itself is and feels that the 'masses' don't, also believes that true artistic endeavour can and should be rewarded and judged by a mark out of ten.

I'm not sure that's the point. It's more like, "truly creative/artistic work, more or less by definition is more likely to polarize voters than mainstream imagery": high votes cancel out low votes, and scores are more average. Images with high average scores owe that average as much to a scarcity of 3-and-under scores as they do to a preponderance of 7-and-over scores.

R.

I agree. No two scores are alike. One 5.6 score could produce a full spectrum of votes with highs cancelling out the lows while another with that same exact score could have nothing but 5s and 6s to it's credit. The latter would most likely be a dull uninspired image.

Citadel

Nikon D7500

01/30/2007 04:15:10 PM · #90

Part of it is that sometimes with challenges with a lot of entries, the voters get a little pooped. Its also hard to stand out in this crowd with a lot of really good entries. Two of the ribbon winners were above 8. And there were quite a few 7's that didn't even make the top 10. (I'll have to double check of course).

I think that a couple of people noted that your entry appeared a little oversharpened which I agree with. I guess thats the way it goes. Go out into freezing conditions and end up doing the damage to your image back in the comfort of your own home. (I've had faaaar too many of those experiences myself).

I myself actually gave it a 6. I probably would have voted a bit higher had it been a little softer. The moment you captured was great. It just lost that soft touch with the extra sharpening.

Originally posted by JunieMoon:

Qart

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01/30/2007 04:23:36 PM · #91

Originally posted by tooohip:

Interesting comment Toohip... would you care to elaborate?

AlexSaberi

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01/30/2007 04:24:20 PM · #92

Originally posted by e301:

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

There are three answers to the delemna:
1) Get over it and shoot what you like and be happy with the comments you receive that say they like it.
2) Shoot what DPC likes and score higher
3) Give up and take up another hobby. *Hoping noone will take that option*

No, actually. Those who believe this place can and should be more interesting than it is should keep making themselves heard, else DPC will become a relentless parade of fundamentally similar photographs. Though that may already have happened, I think.

haha I find it funny that u submit a photo that is such a cliche (wildlife challenge)

levyj413

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01/30/2007 05:22:32 PM · #93

Originally posted by JunieMoon:

I was truly disappointed at my score ... I did not receive any comments that it was liked by anybody, so I guess going out in 15 degree weather with a windchill of 3 was all for naught.

Well, first, 5.75 isn't a bad score at DPC. Second, I'm a bit confused. You don't consider things like "great picture" and "incredible capture-great shot!" to be comments indicating "it was liked by anybody"?

Sheesh - what standards were you raised to meet?!?

As for it being for naught, did you learn anything? Do YOU like your shot? Almost 60 people thought it good enough to vote it 7 and higher.

Finally, where do you live? Lucky you to see penguins in the wild!