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12/08/2006 03:32:59 PM · #101 |
Originally posted by routerguy666: Didn't find it appealing or unappealing. The image offers nothing visually that I can't see a hundred times a day - a woman having a cigarette. The processing is nice. I like black and whites.
Beyond that, anyone whose heart fluttered at the site of an image with a big nose having a smoke needs to look at their own psychological makeup for the cause. Certainly it's not rational to expect such a mundane subject to stir a strong emotional response in many people. The picture scored well. It was hardly underrated. |
I really like the image I guess I need to make an appointment with a shrink then huh?
Very Nice work again Sandy! |
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12/08/2006 03:34:57 PM · #102 |
Originally posted by KaDi: Wow! What a great discussion!
Question for those who find images of big-nosed, cigarette-holding, middle-aged women "unappealing"....why does a work of art need to be appealing to be good-emotive-interesting-well done...etc.? Are not negative emotions equally valid? |
Excellent point KaDi! That's why we've got the Life and Death challenge going on right now right? Personally, I prefer an image that evokes emotion, be it positive or 'negative', as some like to put it, over a simple pretty flower or sunset no matter how technically brilliant. Those emotive images are the timeless ones. It's my personal taste of course, but at least it made a connection and I can say I was an active viewer. I don't think I'm alone on that notion but I also know there are many who will disagree.
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12/08/2006 03:40:32 PM · #103 |
Originally posted by KaDi: Are not negative emotions equally valid? |
Yes, but are the negative emotions simply a result of the subject or a result of a carefully crafted image? I'd give credence to the latter, but not the former. A few of the Death entries certainly evoked negative emotions while having nothing to do with the composition, lighting, etc. I don't think that's art. That's just recording a disturbing scene.
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12/08/2006 03:41:52 PM · #104 |
I am guessing that if you didn't connect with the image then it was just "okay". If you did connect with the image then it was spectacular. This shot really didn't connect with me. I mean its a good photograph but not a great one in my eyes. As for the 8.2 by commenters? I think its the same thing. There's not a lot to comment on when you think a picture is "okay". You can't really point out what you like about it. You can't really point what you dislike about it.
This certainly is an above average picture but in terms of being a winner? I don't agree personally.
And in terms of sending people to a shrink if they like it? I'd REALLY like to find out what sort of mental illness people had when I got two favorites for this image:
And none for this image:
DPC = Darn Psychotic Crazies
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12/08/2006 03:46:38 PM · #105 |
Originally posted by routerguy666: Beyond that, anyone whose heart fluttered at the site of an image with a big nose having a smoke needs to look at their own psychological makeup for the cause. Certainly it's not rational to expect such a mundane subject to stir a strong emotional response in many people. |
You have a knack for rephrasing an argument to make it completely indefensible. Thank goodness we never agree! :D
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12/08/2006 03:46:55 PM · #106 |
Originally posted by SandyP: Eeeeeee. . ..a thread like this can sure make a body feel vulnerable.
I am so touched and encouraged that so many people like it. And, like I said, vulnerable by the ones that hate it or are critical of it. |
People are talking about your photograph. I'd say you were far more successful than the ribbon winners who despite getting the extra views on the front page don't have as many favorites as yours least of which the multi-page discussion that's still going on. I can only dream of having a thread like this. Congrats Sandy! |
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12/08/2006 03:58:07 PM · #107 |
Originally posted by yanko:
People are talking about your photograph. I'd say you were far more successful than the ribbon winners who despite getting the extra views on the front page don't have as many favorites as yours least of which the multi-page discussion that's still going on. |
Perhaps that's the point. What would you say ? Could there be an interesting discussion ? Would anyone disagree ?
Message edited by author 2006-12-08 16:06:48.
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12/08/2006 04:06:31 PM · #108 |
It is obvious from the scoring in Free Study,that if the viewer can't see there style in the photo,there must be something wrong with yours, I finished in the 470's with a photo that IMO was creative, but all viewers wanted to see was if the horizon of the photo was straight and the color was not to there liking, not creativity. If we all took the same type of Photo's creatively the challenges would be boring. |
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12/08/2006 04:10:12 PM · #109 |
Originally posted by eqsite: Originally posted by marksimms:
Does this mean we have a new(ish) daddy in our midst? Or was you working there? Congrats if its the former! Hope everything is OK now.. |
Again, many apologies for continuing to be off-topic, but I didn't want to leave your question hanging. Yes, I'm a new dad (thanks for asking). Mom and daughter are doing well, and the visit to the NICU had nothing to do with smoking, I am pleased to report.
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anyone that wants to smoke to have smaller babies should have to hang out at a NICU for a few weeks.
on topic, I think the image is fine and conveys what Sandy wanted in a great way. I don't find it particularly emotionally stirring and I agree with what has been said about most photos being just that. I have had many people talk about some deep thoughts on my photos but they are reading more than what i put into it. I think it is fine if that is what is stirred in them though. I always hated my teachers and professors that would talk about the metaphoric meanings in old stories that were probably just stories. |
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12/08/2006 04:20:44 PM · #110 |
WOW!... I love this thread!
(thanks to Robert Bear_Music for posting it)
PS: Great photo Sandy, it's really a fine piece of art
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12/08/2006 04:22:37 PM · #111 |
Originally posted by Elvis_L: I have had many people talk about some deep thoughts on my photos but they are reading more than what i put into it. I think it is fine if that is what is stirred in them though. I always hated my teachers and professors that would talk about the metaphoric meanings in old stories that were probably just stories. |
Ah, but that's the fun of post-modernistic deconstructionism. Who's to say what the photographer sees in the image, is all that there is to see ?
Who gets to have the more important interpretation of the image ? The original photographer ? Any other viewer ?
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12/08/2006 04:25:22 PM · #112 |
Originally posted by Gordon: Who gets to have the more important interpretation of the image ? The original photographer ? Any other viewer ? |
Without a viewer, there is no image.
(Just being existentialist today...;-) ) |
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12/08/2006 04:41:02 PM · #113 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo: I really like the image I guess I need to make an appointment with a shrink then huh?
Very Nice work again Sandy! |
A shrink could tell you why you exhibit such a response when a person simply points out that someone, like the OP, gushing and gushing over such an image says more about the OP than the image. It wasn't an insult as in "if you liked the image you need to see a shrink".
Having a strong emotional response to a picture of a woman with an appearance of someone from the 40's/50's, a large nose, tight hair-do, smoking a cig almost certainly indicates some sort of personal experience with such a woman. I don't find yself stopping and gushing every time I pass such a lady in a bar or cafe... That was the point. Given that not everyone would have such emotinal experiences to draw on, not everyone would consider it such a superb piece of art.
Message edited by author 2006-12-08 16:44:05. |
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12/08/2006 04:42:05 PM · #114 |
Originally posted by Gordon: Originally posted by yanko:
People are talking about your photograph. I'd say you were far more successful than the ribbon winners who despite getting the extra views on the front page don't have as many favorites as yours least of which the multi-page discussion that's still going on. |
Perhaps that's the point. What would you say ? Could there be an interesting discussion ? |
I believe so but since those have so much makeup on it's hard to see what lies underneath if anything at all and the photographer comments tell me even less. Who knows maybe Owen's Precision Landing has a compelling story behind it but it's not shared and the photo itself just tells me how perfect the bird and the water is. My cat yesterday was climbing my wall unit after a moth that got in the house. She got almost to the top before she fell knocking over several things. Needless to say it caught my attention (I was watching tv at the time). Her standing there looking perfect wouldn't have. So you ask me what I would say? I would say what happened after you shot the bird? What was happening before you took the picture? Did the bird land cleanly? Was it after a fish? Did it catch one? Basically, I'd be interested in knowing the faults of this bird rather than it's perfection which I know is not the truth.
Message edited by author 2006-12-08 16:43:29. |
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12/08/2006 04:43:23 PM · #115 |
Originally posted by routerguy666: Originally posted by thegrandwazoo: I really like the image I guess I need to make an appointment with a shrink then huh?
Very Nice work again Sandy! |
A shrink could tell you why you exhibit such a response when someone simply points out that someone, like the OP, gushing and gushing over such an image says more about the OP than the image. It wasn't an insult as in "if you liked the image you need to see a shrink". |
I can't even mess around anymore GOSH! I was just :-P! |
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12/08/2006 04:44:00 PM · #116 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo: Originally posted by routerguy666: Originally posted by thegrandwazoo: I really like the image I guess I need to make an appointment with a shrink then huh?
Very Nice work again Sandy! |
A shrink could tell you why you exhibit such a response when someone simply points out that someone, like the OP, gushing and gushing over such an image says more about the OP than the image. It wasn't an insult as in "if you liked the image you need to see a shrink". |
I can't even mess around anymore GOSH! I was just :-P! |
Go to the corner and stay there! :P |
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12/08/2006 04:44:52 PM · #117 |
Originally posted by yanko:
So you ask me what I would say? |
Oh, I don't mean to say that there isn't anything to talk about or learn around the shot. I posted something similar on Ursula's rain shot. However, the discussion would be highly unlikely to provoke much disagreement or discussion about the content of the image. I'm surprised we didn't have at least one orniphobiac vote it a one though. Maybe that's where that one '4' came from.
I suppose it might meander off into animal rights, or illegal trespass or something equally unlikely, but from the image as presented, there isn't much to get emotional involved in, good or bad, pro or con.
Message edited by author 2006-12-08 16:46:47.
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12/08/2006 05:13:27 PM · #118 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo: I can't even mess around anymore GOSH! I was just :-P! |
Heheh, sorry man. 60 hour week. Guess I'm in full on literal mode. |
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12/08/2006 05:22:49 PM · #119 |
Oh this is so much fun! I love you guys! Even you, Routerguy who hates my picture :)
It really is such a fascinating discussion!! Part of what made me love this picture so much is that I had been shooting so many animals, babies, landscapes. . .soft things. . .She seemed so daring and out-of-the-box for me. I was needing that, and I hope I can do more of it.
I think she would get such a kick out of how much discussion her photo generated :)
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12/08/2006 05:27:42 PM · #120 |
Originally posted by crayon: I don't think I could appreciate the photo.
First thing that caught my attention was the model's nose.
Then slowly I realize that her middle-finger was in fact her cigarette.
Next I noticed those marks on her neck, which gives me the goose pimples (not sure why)
And that DOF on her hair area feels a little distracting.
I guess I don't see what the elites see. |
You see exactly what the elites see. Those are the things that makes a photo. The drawing of the eyes around the image and the detail. Good job! |
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12/08/2006 05:28:05 PM · #121 |
A) She's joking
Response: Hahahahaha!
B) She's serious
Response: I don't hate your frigging picture!
C) I need sleep
Response: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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12/08/2006 05:30:04 PM · #122 |
You are definately number "one" in my book for exploring something so differant than what you usually do, and not only that you did it so dam well.....
I am very proud of you, for allowing this thread, to make you more determined to go out and take a lot more of these type of thought provoking images.
Well done, my dear friend.
Originally posted by SandyP: Oh this is so much fun! I love you guys! Even you, Routerguy who hates my picture :)
It really is such a fascinating discussion!! Part of what made me love this picture so much is that I had been shooting so many animals, babies, landscapes. . .soft things. . .She seemed so daring and out-of-the-box for me. I was needing that, and I hope I can do more of it.
I think she would get such a kick out of how much discussion her photo generated :) |
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12/08/2006 06:17:22 PM · #123 |
Originally posted by routerguy666: A) She's joking
Response: Hahahahaha!
B) She's serious
Response: I don't hate your frigging picture!
C) I need sleep
Response: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
She's joking :)
Good night. May big-nosed ladies with cigarrettes haunt your dreams :) (joking again!)
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12/08/2006 07:04:43 PM · #124 |
Originally posted by BradP: Step back a couple decades and imagine this woman as an artist, or someone important in society. Now picture her on the front cover of Life Magazine in that era.
THAT is what makes this shot work. It accentuates the eccentricity of the person's character and boldness to be captured and displayed as such. Many famous people have used their unique look to stand out from the crowd, and have become world-famous for doing so. |
so i tried to feel something about this photo. i try to know this model and maybe picture her living her life... and i ended up thinking if this woman is a prostitute. |
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12/08/2006 07:12:52 PM · #125 |
Technically, the photograph is well done.
If this had been a profile portrait challenge, I daresay it would have been top 10 easily if not top 3.
The picture doesn't do a whole lot for me, other than just being an interesting looking lady. To be honest, though, after looking at it for a moment or two, I couldn't help but wonder if it was a cross-dresser or transgendered individual. Her features are that strong.
She definitely looks like she would be an interesting character to knwo. |
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