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12/08/2006 11:03:18 AM · #51 |
Originally posted by marksimms:
The ironic thing is, you could ski-jump off my nose.. |
That would be kinda creepy, too.
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12/08/2006 11:05:18 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by alexsaberi:
what else can you say. |
Plenty. Read the comments. |
haha! I dont have to read comments, because I am saying "what can I see in the photo personally?" not others opinions.
This is where I find that art or photography goes into the realm of utter bullshit. Arty wanky talk. reading to much into things and people reading it believe the hype, taking on other opinions
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12/08/2006 11:05:50 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by marksimms:
The ironic thing is, you could ski-jump off my nose.. |
That would be kinda creepy, too. |
More uncomfortable than creepy really.
Not to mention dangerous.
Also, sitting here waiting for Alex Saberis post to be editted...
And I can see a thread lock coming up..
Message edited by author 2006-12-08 11:06:36. |
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12/08/2006 11:12:18 AM · #54 |
Guess one mustn't worry about drowning in this community!
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12/08/2006 11:13:40 AM · #55 |
Originally posted by alexsaberi:
...This is where I find that art or photography goes into the realm of utter bullshit. Arty wanky talk. reading to much into things and people reading it believe the hype, taking on other opinions |
Psssst... your ignorance is showing. |
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12/08/2006 11:15:25 AM · #56 |
Originally posted by marksimms:
And I can see a thread lock coming up.. |
You can see that past your big nose?? lol..KIDDING!! |
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12/08/2006 11:15:48 AM · #57 |
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Message edited by author 2007-01-23 06:33:46.
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12/08/2006 11:23:20 AM · #58 |
Before this thread completely goes off topic...
I would sure be interested in seeing a breakdown of vote vs age. And to make it fun, let's include M/F. I bet there'd be a slight trend higher for older males and females.
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12/08/2006 11:23:30 AM · #59 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by alexsaberi:
...This is where I find that art or photography goes into the realm of utter bullshit. Arty wanky talk. reading to much into things and people reading it believe the hype, taking on other opinions |
Psssst... your ignorance is showing. |
Not at all, I think he has a valid point. And when it comes to photography,Alex is far from ignorant. Alex has really done a good job of doing what is expected on this site, that is take pretty & pleasing pictures. Lets face it, 99.99% of voters on this site, dont sit there and go through every technicality in each individual image, or try to decipher if the photographer has any hidden messages in his composition. Once people start taking photos like that, they tend to move away from DPChallenge and go and play with the big boys on sites such as Photo.net
We all, sorry, the majority of us try to take pretty pictures for challenges to win votes, thats the only hidden message in most of the photos "VOTE FOR ME, I AM PRETTY". There are several photographers on here who no longer have to prove themselves in that regard and have as a result become even better photographers, in their own deep way.
Feel free to analyse all the entries looking for hidden messages, but trust me, in the majority of cases, it would be a waste of time.. (and a pretentious title stuck onto an average image doesnt count..)
Message edited by author 2006-12-08 11:31:21. |
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12/08/2006 11:24:12 AM · #60 |
Originally posted by jaded_youth:
Originally posted by marksimms:
And I can see a thread lock coming up.. |
You can see that past your big nose?? lol..KIDDING!! |
Damn, owned....
:-) actually made me LOL.. nice one... |
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12/08/2006 11:27:47 AM · #61 |
Originally posted by heathen:
I'm totally baffled at that finish as well. I consider that shot her masterpiece.
ETA: Note that with the exception of myself, all of those post-challenge commenters are highly talented and respected on DPC. If the DPC elite thinks it's brilliant, than how did it miss with so many others? |
Good Yes, masterpeice, no. the picture is good with a few minorfaults but the image its self is not someting stirring to me, I am glad to see it did well on its photographic merrit. |
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12/08/2006 11:27:53 AM · #62 |
Ah, nothing like a good old DPC argument over a photo. Classic.
Let me throw another wrench into the gears. I'd love to see the original. I am thinking of the flamingo that was DQ'd from a ribbon a few months back for burning part of a wall in the background. I saw the original and though, "wow, that was borderline". In knowing that this is a candid photo and likely shot at distance, I would be very impressed at the serendipidy/technical expertise of capturing a black background without any context; especially with the most excellent lighting on her face.
I'm not accusing anybody of cheating here, but rather simply that it may not have passed muster if it did finish in a validation spot.
Anyway, I do like the photo. There are some problems, sharpness for example (due to the 75-300), but the emotive quality overcomes those problems (plus I'm a total sharpness stooge). I didn't vote this one in the FS, but would have given it a 7, maybe 8 if it caught me just right.
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12/08/2006 11:50:07 AM · #63 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
85th percentile. Hardly worth complaining about.
Commenters scores are always higher. It's an excellent photo, but everyone can go through and reorder the list to their liking. Saying it's a "travesty" seems to me to be indicating that the ones above did not deserve the higher-than-this-one scores.
Seems reasonable to call it out in the forums as a personal favorite, or even use the generic term "underrated" but "scoring travesty"? |
Only if you take him literally...there is to reason for people to come out slamming this shot...I don't think Bear was being literal...he is feeling passionate about the shot, and hey I love when someone is thrilled about a shot enough to shout about it...ribbon winners get tons of views, huge numbers of favs and support...so when some shot inspires a person to say:
"Words can't describe how excellent I (and many other commenters) think this image is"
celebrate!
Bear I am thrilled that you felt so moved and expressed it..
But people being offensive, making fun of someone's face...c'mon..this is a person's face
and think..SandyP doesn't deserve people tearing her shot apart...she didn't post this... |
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12/08/2006 11:50:19 AM · #64 |
Step back a couple decades and imagine this woman as an artist, or someone important in society. Now picture her on the front cover of Life Magazine in that era.
THAT is what makes this shot work. It accentuates the eccentricity of the person's character and boldness to be captured and displayed as such. Many famous people have used their unique look to stand out from the crowd, and have become world-famous for doing so.
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12/08/2006 12:04:13 PM · #65 |
Horrible?? Are you kidding? The composition and emotion of this photo is near perfect. Horrible would not describe this photo in any sense of the word. Of course your opinion is your opinion but don't just look at the photo....look within the photo. Just a suggestion IMHO.
Originally posted by rainmotorsports:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
This incredibly fine image by  SandyP only managed a 6.2 and 76th place. How is this possible? Words can't describe how excellent I (and many other commenters) think this image is. Average vote of commenters is 8.2...
Robt. |
Honestly I think its horrible |
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12/08/2006 12:07:19 PM · #66 |
Tee hee. . .wow. . .this has gone past vulnerable to kind of humorous actually.
Dr. Achoo. . .since you are curious, I will send you the original when I get home tonight, but I can assure you: it most definitely would have passed muster had it been requested for validation. After what happened with my flamingo -- I don't take any chances anymore, and if I have even the slightest question whatsoever about legality of my edits, I've been sending my photos to site council for pre-validation. She was sitting on some steps, and behind her was a blank wall -- darkened because it was not in the sun.
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12/08/2006 12:12:45 PM · #67 |
travesty? no. i agree with art that travesty is too heavy a word for this shot.
good shot. nice. the lady's large proboscis actually makes the photo for me. the photo is technically well done and i think her posture says "i have a big nose and i'm still sexy, dammit!" which works...
but i think it scored right about where it should have, considering the rest of the field...
just my $.04
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12/08/2006 12:33:29 PM · #68 |
| I am no longer surprised at any result. DPC voters will consistantly vote the subject, neglecting quality and composition. It is a shallow way to vote, but that is the DPC voting climate. If the subject of the photograph is a cute young engenue then it would score dramatically higher than a photo of an older matron, despite a disparity in image quality. I would like to see a change in the voting trends, but have little hope that will ever happen. There is not nearly enough emphasis on voting guidelines that stress quality, IMO. I believe that a jury selection for each challenge might help in that regard. This has been discussed previously with no consensus on implementation. It is overdue. |
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12/08/2006 12:34:19 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by SandyP:
Tee hee. . .wow. . .this has gone past vulnerable to kind of humorous actually.
Dr. Achoo. . .since you are curious, I will send you the original when I get home tonight, but I can assure you: it most definitely would have passed muster had it been requested for validation. After what happened with my flamingo -- I don't take any chances anymore, and if I have even the slightest question whatsoever about legality of my edits, I've been sending my photos to site council for pre-validation. She was sitting on some steps, and behind her was a blank wall -- darkened because it was not in the sun. |
Thanks Sandy. I fully believe you. About 15 minutes after I posted I thought to myself, "holy cow, I think the flamingo shot WAS Sandy". Knowing this I'm even more impressed because it would just be one more thing that fell into place for a wonderful candid. You could hardly stage this shot better if she were a model.
So how was she lit Sandy? What time of day was it? What was the background?
I do agree with Art that 85th %ile on a serious photography site in a free study is a pretty good score.
Message edited by author 2006-12-08 12:34:57.
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12/08/2006 12:39:40 PM · #70 |
At Rivercenter mall in San Antonio, they have steps around the riverwalk that lead up to a landing that a band plays on every day. Behind the landing is a covered walkway that is part of the mall. That walkway is always black and dark relative to the outside sun. So anyone who is sitting or standing in front of or on that landing, gets a very dark background behind them.
People come and sit on the steps all the time and eat ice cream and/or just listen to the music.
It was on my lunch hour, so it was midday, but a nice cloudy, overcast day.
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12/08/2006 12:40:07 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by ElGordo:
I am no longer surprised at any result. DPC voters will consistantly vote the subject, neglecting quality and composition. It is a shallow way to vote... |
I don't believe that that is a shallow way to vote at all. In fact, quite the opposite. I believe that voting partialy on how the subject makes you feel is entirely "deep", rather than shallow. To ignore the image itself and vote entirely on technical aspects would seem shallower to me. You're then ignoring the emotive part.
To me, if an image is something that I personally don't like, or am not infused by, it's never going to get a 10, even if it's technically brilliant. The technicals are only part of the job. |
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12/08/2006 12:46:48 PM · #72 |
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12/08/2006 12:53:50 PM · #73 |
Hey Sandy, I know exactly where you are talking about. Once again, great capture.
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12/08/2006 01:13:05 PM · #74 |
Well, "travesty" or no (and I admit that's a hyperbolic word I deliberately used) it worked, didn't it? I like to think the topic title has contributed to this lively and very revealing thread :-)
As an aside, many are commenting on the humungous proboscis, but as far as I can see nobody's mentioned the remarkable absolutely vertical rise from the tip of the chin to the base of the nose; there's NO indentation at all. And the JAW line... wow! That's an absolutely classic face. If you've spent any time studying old photographs you've seen quite a few faces like this. We seem to see a lot less of them now, at least in America. I don't know why.
BradP hit the nail on the head with his Life Magazine and Vogue covers comment; this has that sort of a look. She maybe looks like what "Miranda Priestly" in "The Devil Wears Prada" ought to look like :-)
R.
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12/08/2006 01:13:27 PM · #75 |
| I would bet a nickel the the differnce in the percived qualities of this shot has more to do with how much the voters have studied (or lived through) the histoty of photography. Sandy made clear in her title and comments that the shot was ment to convey associations with the past. It reminds me of Lange's work. If you have no knowledge of, or interest in the past, then the connections this image makes for some, are not there. If you judge the image from the gut, then it is a picture of a not very attractive woman with her shirt on. |
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