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10/18/2006 03:45:24 AM · #26 |
Idiots try to define bokeh by saying the ashpiricle circles of light in the out of focus details int he photo.
I think bokeh is anything that is out of focus. |
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10/18/2006 03:46:14 AM · #27 |
That was my entry for the bokeh challenge. Didn't do tooo bad. I defiantly beat 210430204230 flower photos though :P
Message edited by author 2006-10-18 03:48:09. |
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10/18/2006 04:16:41 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by talal:
whats the difference between bokeh and shallow DOF? to my understanding, bokeh is achieved via shallow DOF, am i wrong to assume that?
confounded and confused,
talal |
it's very simple, really. shallow depth of field refers to the amount of the image that's in focus. Bokeh refers to the quality of the out of focus portion of the image.
examples:
In the above image, there is a very shallow depth of field. Specifically, one small plane of the image in in focus (the ring and ring finger) while the rest of the image is out of focus - in this case blurred. This demonstrates shallow DOF, but it does not have a pleasing bokeh.
 
These two images also demonstrate a shallow DOF, but they also have a very pleasing bokeh, which is the QUALITY of the out of focus part of the image. The blurred parts have a nice milky spherical appearance. If you look closely you can even count the aperture blades of the lens that took the shot. "Good" bokeh is characterized by a smoother and milkier appearance of the out of focus parts.
In a more obvious illustration - this one -->  you can tell Julia used a lens with 7 aperture blades, since you can actually count them as they are clearly defined.
Better lenses have more blades, giving a smoother and 'better' bokeh.
To sum up - good bokeh requires a shallow depth of field, but a shallow depth of field does not necessarily equate to good bokeh.
ok? ok.
P-ness
ps I hope this makes sense. I've been in a several hour meeting with Mr. John Daniels, and he understands.
pps I think it's amusing (and by 'amusing' I really mean annoying but i'm trying to be polite) that people who have yet to even enter a Bokeh challenge are bitching about the frequency of Bokeh challneges. |
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10/18/2006 04:28:19 AM · #29 |
Thanks P. Good explanation.
Hey, why aren't you coming to the Amsterdam GTG? :)
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10/18/2006 04:32:56 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
Thanks P. Good explanation.
Hey, why aren't you coming to the Amsterdam GTG? :) |
cuz it's an 11 hour flight and I have a hockey game saturday night :)
(love to though...I'll be back in the spring for the next one) |
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10/18/2006 04:43:02 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by Pedro:
Originally posted by Azrifel:
Thanks P. Good explanation.
Hey, why aren't you coming to the Amsterdam GTG? :) |
cuz it's an 11 hour flight and I have a hockey game saturday night :)
(love to though...I'll be back in the spring for the next one) |
in spring? |
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10/18/2006 04:49:57 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by biteme:
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in spring? [/quote]
Sure...at Kaplugginfest II - European GTG 2007 :) |
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10/18/2006 04:53:41 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by Pedro:
Originally posted by biteme:
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in spring? |
Sure...at Kaplugginfest II - European GTG 2007 :) [/quote]
oh that's in the spring... ok! |
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10/18/2006 06:32:30 AM · #34 |
Hey, bees do very well in Bokeh challenges ;-)
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10/18/2006 07:01:35 AM · #35 |
I love bokeh...it's pretty and sparkly...
Message edited by author 2006-10-18 07:05:06. |
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10/18/2006 07:10:47 AM · #36 |
Here is a Self Portrait with Bokeh I took the other day.
There are a couple of tricks to Bokeh. Make sure the subject is a fair way away from the background and with good colour variation. A good Bokeh subject is foliage....where the light catches the different angles of the leaves and reflects into those pretty circles. Foliage isn't the only example but one that is used a lot.
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10/18/2006 08:13:40 AM · #37 |
Thanks P...
That makes sense to me... :) .. I've learned something new!!!!
Always pleasing to learn new things
R :) |
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10/18/2006 08:31:40 AM · #38 |
WooHoo I can blow the dust off YE OLD SIGMA MACRO again.. can't wait.
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10/18/2006 09:14:50 AM · #39 |
you can tell Julia used a lens with 7 aperture blades, since you can actually count them as they are clearly defined.
HUH? Blades? fan blades? Ruben Blades?
Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about. OH, that's why you win ribbons and I don't. ha ha ha ha
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10/18/2006 09:53:24 AM · #40 |
I'm excited. Loved my last bokeh entry - ready to top it this time! :)
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10/18/2006 09:55:15 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by Jutilda:
you can tell Julia used a lens with 7 aperture blades, since you can actually count them as they are clearly defined.
HUH? Blades? fan blades? Ruben Blades?
Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about. OH, that's why you win ribbons and I don't. ha ha ha ha |
inside each lens there are blades that open and close, which control the amount of light that your sensor gets to see. The size of that hole is known as the aperture. The bigger the hole, the more light that gets through, and the shallower is your depth of field. Often more expensive lenses have more aperture blades, therefore the shape of the hole is smoother and less defined, which produces smoother bokeh.
take a look at the highly detailed diagram overlaid onto Julia's pic (sorry, J)  . See how the 'circles' in the background aren't really circles? That's what i'm talking about. :)
Message edited by author 2006-10-18 09:56:09. |
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10/18/2006 10:02:12 AM · #42 |
My first and I'm looking forward to it!
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10/18/2006 10:03:26 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by idnic:
I'm excited. Loved my last bokeh entry - ready to top it this time! :)
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Damn birds! :-P
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10/18/2006 10:36:00 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by Pedro:
Originally posted by Jutilda:
you can tell Julia used a lens with 7 aperture blades, since you can actually count them as they are clearly defined.
HUH? Blades? fan blades? Ruben Blades?
Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about. OH, that's why you win ribbons and I don't. ha ha ha ha |
inside each lens there are blades that open and close, which control the amount of light that your sensor gets to see. The size of that hole is known as the aperture. The bigger the hole, the more light that gets through, and the shallower is your depth of field. Often more expensive lenses have more aperture blades, therefore the shape of the hole is smoother and less defined, which produces smoother bokeh.
take a look at the highly detailed diagram overlaid onto Julia's pic (sorry, J) . See how the 'circles' in the background aren't really circles? That's what i'm talking about. :) |
Thanks for explaining the crap out of Bokeh!! I finally, truly, get it ! :-)
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10/18/2006 11:51:07 AM · #45 |
Anyone gives me a DNMC, I'm gonna kick 'em squah in da nutz!
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10/18/2006 11:52:13 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Anyone gives me a DNMC, I'm gonna kick 'em squah in da nutz! |
Man that is some crappy BoKeh! :-P
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10/18/2006 11:52:52 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Anyone gives me a DNMC, I'm gonna kick 'em squah in da nutz! |
OOF and blown highlights :P
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10/18/2006 11:55:37 AM · #48 |
Screw you guys, I'm goin' home :-P
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10/18/2006 01:45:45 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by xXxscarletxXx:
Theres nothing wrong with it just TOO soon
You know what would make this interesting...
With no birds or butterflies |
Hey....birds do very well in Bokeh...thankyou.
Challenge: Bokeh II (Basic Editing)
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Not that bird again! That was the photo that put me on the path to challenging you. I hate that bird. :P
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10/18/2006 02:00:48 PM · #50 |
Ok, call me dumb.....but, since I"m still new, I'm gonna ask this. :) Is the only way to acheive bokeh to have a very large aperture? From what I can tell, on my lenses, I can't seem to get an aperture under about a 5. Is that enough for bokeh? I'm confused!
edited to try and be less confusing.*
Message edited by author 2006-10-18 14:04:23. |
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