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09/26/2002 08:53:16 AM · #26 |
The site admins decide on all that as far as I know. They're very active here and I love the challenges they choose. You'll receive a vote from probably both of them and they're very honest and just.
I didn't mean to start a big thing here. I actually put alot of thought into what MY corner of the world is. I get real tired and bored sometimes working on the same garden. Sometimes I sit in it and admire it and other times I know that every weed I pull is coming back and it gets me thinking I should give up. It's that constant battle that I was going for. W/ 244 pictures I hope this doesn't give enough away. I was really counting on the voters here to understand where I was coming from. No, it wasn't a picture of my cube at work or my girfriend or dog but it is what defines me most of the time.
Jmsetzler, I have reread your comment and understand where you were coming from. At the top of your comment you have some good advice, I think. At the bottom of it however, you relate what I'm saying in this topic. You can't tell anything about my corner of the world from the photo unless it is such and such. Well, it struck me odd b/c what you mentioned was exactly what I was trying to convey. |
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09/26/2002 09:06:29 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by nicowens:
The site admins decide on all that as far as I know. They're very active here and I love the challenges they choose. You'll receive a vote from probably both of them and they're very honest and just.
I didn't mean to start a big thing here. I actually put alot of thought into what MY corner of the world is. I get real tired and bored sometimes working on the same garden. Sometimes I sit in it and admire it and other times I know that every weed I pull is coming back and it gets me thinking I should give up. It's that constant battle that I was going for. W/ 244 pictures I hope this doesn't give enough away. I was really counting on the voters here to understand where I was coming from. No, it wasn't a picture of my cube at work or my girfriend or dog but it is what defines me most of the time.
Jmsetzler, I have reread your comment and understand where you were coming from. At the top of your comment you have some good advice, I think. At the bottom of it however, you relate what I'm saying in this topic. You can't tell anything about my corner of the world from the photo unless it is such and such. Well, it struck me odd b/c what you mentioned was exactly what I was trying to convey.
Hey,don't feel bad....I got 'dissed by him too.I got a 1.I guess my world isn't as exciting as his.I can't wait for this to end and see who put up what.One other thing....if the photos must remain annonymous until the close,so should the voter's comments.
* This message has been edited by the author on 9/26/2002 9:07:22 AM. |
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09/26/2002 09:09:13 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by ABC:
Hey,don't feel bad....I got 'dissed by him too.I got a 1.I guess my world isn't as exciting as his.I can't wait for this to end and see who put up what.
Hmmm... this certainly can't be directed at me :(
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09/26/2002 09:10:19 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by JohnSetzler :
Originally posted by ABC:
[i]Hey,don't feel bad....I got 'dissed by him too.I got a 1.I guess my world isn't as exciting as his.I can't wait for this to end and see who put up what.
Hmmm... this certainly can't be directed at me :(
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09/26/2002 09:13:45 AM · #30 |
One other thing....if the photos must remain annonymous until the close,so should the voter's comments.
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09/26/2002 09:14:06 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by ABC:
Originally posted by JohnSetzler :
[i]Originally posted by ABC:
[i]Hey,don't feel bad....I got 'dissed by him too.I got a 1.I guess my world isn't as exciting as his.I can't wait for this to end and see who put up what.
Hmmm... this certainly can't be directed at me :(
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i sign my comments... I haven't given any ones in months.. the lowest score I gave this week is a 3...
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09/26/2002 09:14:34 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by ABC:
Originally posted by nicowens:
[i]One other thing....if the photos must remain annonymous until the close,so should the voter's comments.
Umm the voter's comments are annonymous ... just some choose to sign them so you know right away ...
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09/26/2002 09:31:24 AM · #33 |
ABC, I'm having a problem understanding exactly what you are saying... Are you saying that the voters are too rigid in their interpretation of your photo? Or that no one meet the challenge as you stated in this thread?
I'm asking simply so I know where you are coming from, not in an effort to disrespect or offend. I'm just confused. I sense a lot of anger from you but I'm unsure what you are angry about.
* This message has been edited by the author on 9/26/2002 9:30:56 AM.
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09/26/2002 09:52:46 AM · #34 |
HEY MYQ,
I got a comment from the exact same person!
'I'm lowering your score because I could have found the same scene in CA.' What an idiot!!!
This person and from reading this thread, many people, did not interpret the rather vague guidelines/description the same way. I interpreted it as 'show what my 'world' is like'. It's not a travel shot - it's a personal depiction of what's important to me.
<beating head against wall>i've said it before and I'll say it again: the challenge guidelines need to be clearer and more fleshed out so that this doesn't happen week after week after week. why is this so hard to understand? lol </beat head against wall>
Originally posted by myqyl:
Someone gave me a 1 because they "could have found the same scene here in CA" so it didn't show them MY corner as opposed to theirs :)
The kicker is, I live in CA :) So yes, they COULD have found that scene there :)
Luckily, I've truly stopped caring at all what score I get. If someone wants to give me a one because they feel they are better equipped to say what my corner of the world is than I am, so be it.
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09/26/2002 10:10:11 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
HEY MYQ,
<beating head against wall>i've said it before and I'll say it again: the challenge guidelines need to be clearer and more fleshed out so that this doesn't happen week after week after week. why is this so hard to understand? lol </beat head against wall>
Isn't art fun ?
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09/26/2002 10:14:53 AM · #36 |
If so many are getting the same comment from the same person -- and presumably 1s or similar scores -- it is probably a troll and you should just ignore the comment.
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09/26/2002 10:39:48 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by nicowens:
I didn't mean to start a big thing here. I actually put alot of thought into what MY corner of the world is. I get real tired and bored sometimes working on the same garden. Sometimes I sit in it and admire it and other times I know that every weed I pull is coming back and it gets me thinking I should give up. It's that constant battle that I was going for. W/ 244 pictures I hope this doesn't give enough away. I was really counting on the voters here to understand where I was coming from. No, it wasn't a picture of my cube at work or my girfriend or dog but it is what defines me most of the time.
Nicowens, I think this bit above describes the problem -
the scene to you means all of these things, the work you've put into
it, the toil, the reward you feel.
The problem is, is any of that shown in your picture ? Or would I
look at it and see a garden, any garden, who knows what has happened ?
This is quite often a problem for photographers, particularly if you
are taking pictures of a very personal subject. The most obvious
example is pictures of children and pets. You have so much emotional
involvement in the subject, so much history, funny stories you can
relate, warm memories, tears, heartache so the picture is immensely
expressive to you. If I look at the same picture, I don't have any
of these feelings 'by default' other than oh, its a kid, or cute cat.
The challenge is to somehow capture these, by composition, structure,
use of visual language, lighting, camera technique, cropping/ framing.
Nobody ever said it was easy :)
* This message has been edited by the author on 9/26/2002 10:39:53 AM.
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09/26/2002 10:45:37 AM · #38 |
Sonja (what a beautiful name!!),
I can understand why you come to that first conclusion (scenic shots), but really, as I have discovered, this is not about snapshots, its about artistic ability. A couple of people here worked the word "corner" in their picture in a very interesting way (taking a picture including corners, edges, etc.). Others, like myself, took a much broader interpretation of the challenge and submitted an artistic interpretation of what my world (my realm of existance) is right now.
I guess what I'm trying to say is: Learn to think "outside the box."
Take care.
Originally posted by Sonifo:
I was expecting pictures of what your town looked like or the area you live, so I knew what the your part of the world looked like. I know what shoes and bedrooms look like. We have five bedrooms in our house. Some clean and others well we never open the doors. It would be nice to see what there is beyond the rooms, so if we planned a trip or if we seen your comment we could say wow they live in a cool place. I want to go there.
I am not saying that I vote you all down because I didn't get what I wanted. It would have been neat. I guess I will have to keep getting my vacation magezine.
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09/26/2002 11:13:50 AM · #39 |
Thanks Focus.
I am the type that thinks in the box, I will try to think outside the box. lol I am not scoring down, because I didn't get what I wanted. :) Just bummed.
Maybe we could have a challenge where we see the persons town or city he/she lives. I would love to see where everyone lives, but they can't put their house in the photo.
Originally posted by focus:
[i]Sonja (what a beautiful name!!),
I can understand why you come to that first conclusion (scenic shots), but really, as I have discovered, this is not about snapshots, its about artistic ability. A couple of people here worked the word "corner" in their picture in a very interesting way (taking a picture including corners, edges, etc.). Others, like myself, took a much broader interpretation of the challenge and submitted an artistic interpretation of what my world (my realm of existance) is right now.
I guess what I'm trying to say is: Learn to think "outside the box."
Take care.
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09/26/2002 11:40:50 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by Sonifo:
Thanks Focus.
I am the type that thinks in the box, I will try to think outside the box. lol I am not scoring down, because I didn't get what I wanted. :) Just bummed.
Maybe we could have a challenge where we see the persons town
or city he/she lives. I would love to see where everyone lives,
but they can't put their house in the photo.
I think in many ways that is what people have expressed in the pictures
entered in this challenge.
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09/26/2002 11:46:36 AM · #41 |
art is a blast (unless you're a tortured artist :P) !
i dont think the problem falls under the purview of art, though.
I think it's more about what happens when you give the slimmest of guidelines and then ask people to judge each other's work in a contest based on them.
Originally posted by GordonMcGregor:
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
[i]HEY MYQ,
<beating head against wall>i've said it before and I'll say it again: the challenge guidelines need to be clearer and more fleshed out so that this doesn't happen week after week after week. why is this so hard to understand? lol </beat head against wall>
Isn't art fun ?
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09/26/2002 11:54:05 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
art is a blast (unless you're a tortured artist :P) !
i dont think the problem falls under the purview of art, though.
I think it's more about what happens when you give the slimmest of guidelines and then ask people to judge each other's work in a contest based on them.
Originally posted by GordonMcGregor:
[i]Originally posted by magnetic9999:
[i]HEY MYQ,
<beating head against wall>i've said it before and I'll say it again: the challenge guidelines need to be clearer and more fleshed out so that this doesn't happen week after week after week. why is this so hard to understand? lol </beat head against wall>
Isn't art fun ?
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That's one of the reasons I really liked the 'free study' challenge... I hope we can do that again sometime soon :)
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09/26/2002 11:58:39 AM · #43 |
Could it possibly be that D&L deliberately leave the challenges open to interpretation so that we as artist have some latitude in finding an image that meets thier personal artictic needs? Perhaps some of us are house bound. Some are too young to drive. Some feel thier private world un-inspireing. For many landscapes are easier than set ups. BOTH postcards and private worlds are in the challenge and we had a choice.
Therefore relevance is not a judging criteria this time around, but technical and compositional merit is.
Now if some one will please tell me what makes one sunset seashore picture better than another------ |
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09/26/2002 12:03:03 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by aelith:
Now if some one will please tell me what makes one sunset seashore picture better than another------
The other stuff in it. Or how its framed. Or how the horizon is placed.
Or where the sun is. Or how big it is. Or how well exposed it is to capture
the light.
Plenty of variables to play with in a seashore sunset/sunrise
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09/26/2002 12:04:05 PM · #45 |
What if the challenge guidelines were a tad more specific so that people would submit more 'identical' photos. We are here (at least I am) to vote on creativity and technique, but when you have such a wide range of interpertations you start voting on the photographer's thinking in terms of the guidelines.
If the current challenge's guidelines were: Your corner of the world- shoot a photo that represents your corner of the world- your shot must include a scenic view with at least one man made structure.
This way, everyone would be clear on what to shoot, you'd still get lots of different techniques/concepts, there would be no arguments, AND we could re-use the topic later on, but this time you must include, for example, greenery and a person.
Thoughts? |
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09/26/2002 12:07:12 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by zadore:
What if the challenge guidelines were a tad more specific so that people would submit more 'identical' photos. We are here (at least I am) to vote on creativity and technique, but when you have such a wide range of interpertations you start voting on the photographer's thinking in terms of the guidelines.
If the current challenge's guidelines were: Your corner of the world- shoot a photo that represents your corner of the world- your shot must include a scenic view with at least one man made structure.
This way, everyone would be clear on what to shoot, you'd still get lots of different techniques/concepts, there would be no arguments, AND we could re-use the topic later on, but this time you must include, for example, greenery and a person.
Thoughts?
I like the balance that is struck in the challenges. Some are
very specific like you mentioned (e.g., pencils) others are specific
about a particular technique - (texture, negative space) others have
had specific themes (red) but also, some have been much more 'freeform'
(free study challenge)
The balance is healthy, I think. Not every challenge has to be 200
pictures of the same thing.
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09/26/2002 12:07:49 PM · #47 |
Clear on what to shoot? Hmmm.... my first guess would be a thread starting on defining 'man made' and 'structure'.
This happens almost every week as is.. some 'word' in the challenge topic invariably has more than one meaning, as does the entire 'my corner' concept.
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09/26/2002 12:08:29 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by zadore:
What if the challenge guidelines were a tad more specific so that people would submit more 'identical' photos. We are here (at least I am) to vote on creativity and technique, but when you have such a wide range of interpertations you start voting on the photographer's thinking in terms of the guidelines.
If the current challenge's guidelines were: Your corner of the world- shoot a photo that represents your corner of the world- your shot must include a scenic view with at least one man made structure.
This way, everyone would be clear on what to shoot, you'd still get lots of different techniques/concepts, there would be no arguments, AND we could re-use the topic later on, but this time you must include, for example, greenery and a person.
Thoughts?
What's scenic?
-=Terry
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09/26/2002 12:14:48 PM · #49 |
See, but there's NOTHING stopping them from SPECIFYING, on some challenges:
"Keep an open mind to looser interpretations on this one."
or
"This one is really about showing off a (insert specific thing name) so stick close to a literal representation."
Think of how many foreheads this could save :) :) :) ...
Originally posted by aelith:
Could it possibly be that D&L deliberately leave the challenges open to interpretation so that we as artist have some latitude in finding an image that meets thier personal artictic needs? Perhaps some of us are house bound. Some are too young to drive. Some feel thier private world un-inspireing. For many landscapes are easier than set ups. BOTH postcards and private worlds are in the challenge and we had a choice.
Therefore relevance is not a judging criteria this time around, but technical and compositional merit is.
Now if some one will please tell me what makes one sunset seashore picture better than another------
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09/26/2002 12:17:56 PM · #50 |
There's nothing wrong with the way the challenges are worded. They leave room for interpretation which is good and it makes it more interesting to look at 200+ submissions. What isn't so good is that some people narrowly define the challenges and then vote down submissions that don't meet that narrow definition.
There's also the issue of taste. It's perfectly okay to give someone a low score because you don't like it. What I don't find particularly helpful is getting a comment where someone tells me what is wrong and tells me how to fix it. What he/she sees as "wrong" in the subject matter is exactly why I was interested in the shot and also probably why someone gave me a 10. The comment reminded me of the Change This, Change That thread. What the comment described I ought to have done was such that I wouldn't have been interested in taking the shot at all. |
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