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 08/20/2002 10:48:00 PM · #1
I am new to this site so forgive me if you have already been through this topic but I was wondering what people would think of not having their personal vote numbers showing during the challenge, just the comments. I'm wondering if people's votes would change if they did not have their own results to compare with..... A couple of times I found myself comparing my photo and vote numbers to others while I was in the process of voting. This is the first challenge I found this to be happening that I've noticed and I believe I have judged each photo on it's own merits no matter what my results are, but maybe it would be better for all voters not to know their own results until after the voting is over.
 08/20/2002 10:52:00 PM · #2
Actually, I would like to see what everybody voted on each photo after the voting was over :-)

But then I am sorta a trouble maker that way..........

Maybe if we did that all the suspicions of voter funny business would be settled too?

* This message has been edited by the author on 8/20/2002 10:51:11 PM.
 08/20/2002 10:56:28 PM · #3
I like the idea of non-anonymous votes too...
 08/20/2002 10:56:43 PM · #4
I agree with you, Hokie. But then, I'm a bit of a trouble maker, too. After all, wasn't it YOU who referred to me last week as the "Asshole Factor"? lol

The benefit of having all votes public is that it would be so jolly nice to see who gives those ridiculous ones and twos given on excellent pictures!
 08/20/2002 10:57:01 PM · #5
ya know what I found myself doing that at first and then I relized its just an average, so if your average is 5 out of 100 votes that means 50 were 10's and 50 were 1's, (just an example) So I'd go through em all and adjust em at the end using the whole range of 1-10 to be fair. And not even thinking about mine and if i did I knew it was time to stop for a while.
 08/20/2002 11:08:52 PM · #6
Originally posted by Journey:
I agree with you, Hokie. But then, I'm a bit of a trouble maker, too. After all, wasn't it YOU who referred to me last week as the "Asshole Factor"? lol

The benefit of having all votes public is that it would be so jolly nice to see who gives those ridiculous ones and twos given on excellent pictures!

Hey..If I did it's only cause it takes one to know one <:-D

Seriously though, the asshole factor is everywhere on the net where anonymous behaviour encourages otherwise average folks to get all brave and stuff, maybe taking out their angst of everyday frustrations on the netizens.

Here at this site we have a very civilized group by internet standards but as the site grows we succumb to the law of internet average behaviour.


* This message has been edited by the author on 8/20/2002 11:08:17 PM.
 08/20/2002 11:14:22 PM · #7
Originally posted by taylorbehne:
... so if your average is 5 out of 100 votes that means 50 were 10's and 50 were 1's ...

INSERT NITPICK HERE -- Actually, half 1s and half 10s averages to 5.5

okay, i'll shut up now

* This message has been edited by the author on 8/20/2002 11:13:34 PM.
 08/20/2002 11:20:05 PM · #8
Whatever! you know what I ment
 08/20/2002 11:24:35 PM · #9
I predict if we went with a totally open vote the scores would jump exponentially. It would be hilarious to watch.

People would be winning with 9.3's and last place would have a 6 average!!! Chaos would ensue!!!!!

The fun part would be seeing the different tastes reflected in the votes. As if I don't spend enough fricken time here!!!!
 08/20/2002 11:52:13 PM · #10
There was a similar discussion monday morning. Complaints about low scores and such. I think there is a lot of low balling going on.The winner should be scoring a 9+ unless there are no good pictures in the challange. And a 2 would have to be something pretty bad, almost objectionable. But it looks like many of us use a scale of 1-7 rather than 1-10. I'll ajust my scoring accordingly in the future. No reason to give you an honest 8 if you give me a 3.5 for being "average." Open scoring is the only way to keep the harshest competitors in line. Really, if the weekly winners on this site only average a 7, then this must not be a very good site to learn from. I'd prefer take my lessons from the excellent rather then just the kinda good.
 08/20/2002 11:52:37 PM · #11
I don't know if things just went in another direction or I was misunderstood. When I started this thread I wasn't suggesting to have non-anonymous voting. I was just thinking that maybe the vote results for our own photos should not be displayed on our home pages until after the challenge was over. We would only see the comments made during the challenge.

* This message has been edited by the author on 8/20/2002 11:53:20 PM.
 08/21/2002 12:02:36 AM · #12
Originally posted by spiller:
I don't know if things just went in another direction or I was misunderstood. When I started this thread I wasn't suggesting to have non-anonymous voting. I was just thinking that maybe the vote results for our own photos should not be displayed on our home pages until after the challenge was over. We would only see the comments made during the challenge.

Yep spiller....I think your idea touches on the same idea of open voting...voter influence.

I like seeing the my vote displayed, its the same kick I get from watching fortunes being made and lost on the stock market..WooHoooo!!!.

Open votes would be even funner!!!

Hey..even the French Ice skating judges had to show their scores to everybody. Where is the IOC when you need them!!!!
 08/21/2002 12:19:33 AM · #13
If we went to some open vote scenario, I think we'd quickly wind up with some form of "Voters Challenge" instead of "DPChallenge."

Meaning, we'd all be so busy complaining about and defending each others votes that we'd never get any photography done.

Now, that said, if we went to just a "no score is visible 'till the party is over" kind of thing, we'd be forced to subsist all week on comments alone. I'd rather starve the old fashioned way. I want my score.
 08/21/2002 02:12:53 AM · #14
Do you want your score on a scale of 1-10 or 1-7? Average pictures don't get 3.5's unless the judges (you) are low balling. I gave higher scores than is the norm here.But I did it on a scale of 1-10 after looking at all of the pictures. Nothing ranked under a 2 and none got a 10.The picture I submitted is not a winner. It should not even rank in the top 40%.In last weeks competition the top three were in my top 10 and the Winner was my faverite.I trust my judgment. Can I trust yours?
Give me a consensus of how the scoring should be done. I'll rate you accordingly.The way I figure it, the 1's were disqualified on Monday and the 10's probably don't have anything to do with a pencil and were sold befor they got posted.
 08/21/2002 02:56:44 AM · #15
I feel that a entry should only rate a 1 if it is offensive or totally unrecognisable as a image of some thing. I like to see my score even if it depresses me at times. I mostly have had good informative comments and try to comment as much as possible but as I can only access from work I dont always have the time!
 08/21/2002 03:51:24 AM · #16
Originally posted by spiller:
I don't know if things just went in another direction or I was misunderstood. When I started this thread I wasn't suggesting to have non-anonymous voting. I was just thinking that maybe the vote results for our own photos should not be displayed on our home pages until after the challenge was over. We would only see the comments made during the challenge.

spiller....I'm still not sure if anyone is getting what you are saying...but I do. I think that would be great to try..maybe just to see how it goes. I think that not even knowing your score until midnight on Sunday would be great...and while it doesn't really affect my vote...I could see where others would vote photos down because they go to their homepage and see a 4.X or something. I'm not sure what everyone is talking about "non-anonymous" voting....does that mean they want to see the names of the people who vote on their photos BEFORE the challenge is over? That really has nothing to do with what you're suggesting..complete opposite really. Will someone explain what they mean by that? It's not what spiller is asking for.

Thanks...

Karen

* This message has been edited by the author on 8/21/2002 3:51:30 AM.
 08/21/2002 09:22:08 AM · #17
What I am saying about non-anonymous voting is this..

After the challenge your numerical vote is displayed just like your name is displayed for your comments.

The way it would work is in a further information file all 200 votes would be listed and the name of the person next to their vote. sorta like this...

Picture...
(Picture infor..blah, blah, blah)
Hokie - 7 (gotta leave room for my photo :-)
jmsetzler - 10 (he's so easy)
Gordan - 9
arnit - 8 (europeans...hrrmmfff!)
super critic - 4
didn't get their coffee (or sex) - 2
web surfer - 7
Langdon - 10 (well, it WAS Drew's photo and he's gotta work with the guy :-D
etc...
etc...

You get the idea. (edit..minus the comments :-)

All this would be AFTER the voting is over.

Anyways..I doubt this will fly. People like the dark corners too much I think.....


* This message has been edited by the author on 8/21/2002 9:29:56 AM.
 08/21/2002 09:38:05 AM · #18
I am easy :) I give lots of high scores... I have given 7 tens so far this week :)
 08/21/2002 09:53:28 AM · #19
I'm not sure if I would like that. Mostly I stand to my vote but sometimes after the challenge I see that I missed something and I should have rated a photo higher. Now you could say that then I didn't look carefully enough at the photo and should take more time next time. Voting/commenting already consumes a lot of time, but somtimes you still miss something (and afterwards it's always sooo abvious to me).

So then in these cases (not too often but it happens sometimes) somebody would see my score and based on this score he/she will probably have thoughts like: "Why did he score me so low. Photo xyz he scored a 10. Why mine so low then? What did I wrong? Didn't he see the cool abc thing? (-> no exactly this abc thing I missed".

I hope this makes sense. In short: I want to be judged by my own photos not by the way how I judge others. And it's not like hiding in a dark corner. If somebody asks me I'll explain why I gave a particular score. But if there is a list with all scores and the names, I can't explain other than leaving a comment. And it's just impossible for me to comment on all photos.


 08/21/2002 10:07:31 AM · #20
Stephan...

I understand your reluctance to have others think less of you due to a vote. That is my point really.

It's human nature to judge things but not want to let others see you judge. People are afraid they might look less insightful, sensitive intelligent...whatever.

I think people should put more time into their vote. It is your ultimate comment..why not let people see it?

You only have to vote on 20% of th photos anyway. If you are unsure..just don't vote on a photo.

My suggestion was simply designed to ...cause trouble
>:-D. Actually, I am just one of those people who don't have any problem in the world speaking my mind in the middle of 20,000 people so I can't relate to the nervousness others may have about vote scrutiny.

Photo-sig does open votes. They even have it affect your scores..and I am not advocating that. But I do like the open air environment it creates..I just don't like the retaliation votes there..but that is apparent when it happens as well..so it all evens out.

 08/21/2002 10:33:18 AM · #21
But what spiller is saying is that we (us, me , you) don't see our (mine, yours) voting score for our own photo until after the challenge is over. That way, no one knows what kind of score they are getting until the final tally. You wouldn' t know if your score was 7,8 or 2,3....wouldn't that be exciting?
 08/21/2002 10:38:25 AM · #22
Originally posted by KDJohnson:
But what spiller is saying is that we (us, me , you) don't see our (mine, yours) voting score for our own photo until after the challenge is over. That way, no one knows what kind of score they are getting until the final tally. You wouldn' t know if your score was 7,8 or 2,3....wouldn't that be exciting?

I could adjust to that.

I am wondering though. How much of the appeal of this site is based around regular score updates?

If you went to a no score update format I wonder how many folks might just move on down the road?

Then again..combine the no score update with the no anonymous vote and then we could spend the week talking about why someone liked a photo better in last weeks challenge...more interesting discussion and better time spent maybe?


 08/21/2002 10:38:59 AM · #23
Originally posted by KDJohnson:
But what spiller is saying is that we (us, me , you) don't see our (mine, yours) voting score for our own photo until after the challenge is over. That way, no one knows what kind of score they are getting until the final tally. You wouldn' t know if your score was 7,8 or 2,3....wouldn't that be exciting?

Exciting, maybe... I think it would create an environment where people would not visit the site as often. I think the forum activity would suffer from it as well...


 08/21/2002 11:49:05 AM · #24
Originally posted by hokie:

Gordan - 9


GordOn !

sorry to rant - its been annoying me for the 2 years since I've moved
to the US :)



* This message has been edited by the author on 8/21/2002 11:51:38 AM.
 08/21/2002 12:07:20 PM · #25
You from Europe GordOn..:-)
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