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01/10/2006 07:18:38 AM · #76 |
| geez Rose I sure hope you are joking about this thread. Me thinks you need a break from DPC and should stop getting your panties in a bunch. |
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01/10/2006 08:49:42 AM · #77 |
Ahhh, and the thread goes on. LOL...
NO, notonline, I am not joking. And if you read the whole thread, you will see that I am not alone in my sentiments.
I have also reviewed the thread again in question. Not only was the photo praised, but several dropped their own entries due to controversy surrounding it. Then the poster said they were reconsidering resubmitting it and taking their other entry down, but then added they were only kidding. Then another dropped their entry. Then the poster said not to worry, as they would be thanked for it.
Now, if you perceive that as "I" do, you will see not only was praise saught, but others DROPPED from the competition over it, and then this person turned around and entered it anyway now that SOME of the compeition was OUT.
If that isn't swaying votes, then I have NO clue what is people.
I have also received several PM's from this person now, admitting that others were QUITE angry with them over it and that they were already taking the big hit for what they did, and imploring me to stop what I am doing here on blaming others for high voting it when that isn't the actual scenario. I then apologized for their agitation, but high/low/mid range votes isn't the issue, and so on, as I have explained here. Had it not been their photo, and had been another who did it, I still would have the same stance on the issue. However, I even said I would now change my vote and my ways about the photo in question, but then I find another even MORE ruthless and rude PM in my email to follow? Saying things such as "look honey", and underminding my own thought and views? So PFFFTTTTT.
As to self portraits, if the challenge is self portraits, are you going to place it in the public forum for critique before entering it? Some of you are missing the MAJOR point of this thread. Losing anonymity by one means or another, either justified by theme, or because another happened to see your portfolio or personal website, is a different story. I am sure some of you know very well others here and their models, children, spouses, etc. MY BEEF is with putting it up FOR public scrutiny BEFORE a challenge goes in and asking what others think about it before hand.
LIKE another poster said here - if he had three choices and couldn't decide, he wouldn't place the three in public forum and then choose one given the critique, as it would be wrong.
You fail to realize that I am not alone on this thread and others totally understand my point of view here.
Now, those of you that want to do this in the future, it is not against the rules. So be my guest. Just know now that there are several, or at LEAST several, who find this unethical on a site where the basis is anonymity, and if it wasn't, then HBunch would not have warned about discussing a specific entry DURING voting time on even this very thread! Others "may" know your entry, but to outwardedly hand it to them on purpose is "swaying votes" - bad, good, or ugly, it is swaying votes. Period.
Rose
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01/10/2006 08:54:32 AM · #78 |
so how does it impact you ?
why do you care ?
does it change your photography ?
truthfully
No, i don't, and it won't change it
life goes on
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01/10/2006 08:59:57 AM · #79 |
Originally posted by ralphnev:
so how does it impact you ?
why do you care ?
does it change your photography ?
truthfully
No, i don't, and it won't change it
life goes on |
THANK YOU! |
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01/10/2006 09:07:32 AM · #80 |
Originally posted by ralphnev:
so how does it impact you ?
why do you care ?
does it change your photography ?
truthfully
No, i don't, and it won't change it
life goes on |
Question is not how it impacts me, but how it impacts the other entries from other paying members here into a contest where they entered their own entries adhering in the best of their ability to the anonymity factor and without swaying votes. And now that sevreral have said they dropped their entries over this particular situation, I think that is pretty serious. If you don't, then that is your perogative, and maybe this thread isn't for you.
Rose
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01/10/2006 09:30:33 AM · #81 |
I understand that you value anonymity and feel that by revealing an entry for public opinion before the challenge is wrong. I know how frustrated you must be, considering your posts and the continuation of this thread. You are obviously very passionate about the concept and really want your opinions to be validated and accepted. I applaud your efforts to do what you think is for the public good of a site we all love. Unfortunately, the tone and language of your posts completely undermine your message. Perhaps if you were more amiable in your wording you might garner more support and less frustration along the way.
"To disagree, one doesn't have to be disagreeable." ~Barry M. Goldwater and Jack Casserly, Goldwater |
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01/10/2006 09:48:15 AM · #82 |
Originally posted by laurielblack:
I understand that you value anonymity and feel that by revealing an entry for public opinion before the challenge is wrong. I know how frustrated you must be, considering your posts and the continuation of this thread. You are obviously very passionate about the concept and really want your opinions to be validated and accepted. I applaud your efforts to do what you think is for the public good of a site we all love. Unfortunately, the tone and language of your posts completely undermine your message. Perhaps if you were more amiable in your wording you might garner more support and less frustration along the way.
"To disagree, one doesn't have to be disagreeable." ~Barry M. Goldwater and Jack Casserly, Goldwater |
Thank you Laurie for a well thought out and intelligent post. Rose, I have to agree with Laurie here 100%, I would also like to add that what are we all really after here on this little slice of heaven we all call DPC?
Knowledge, on how to become better photographers / artists.
No one is winning money, fame or even a real ribbon, we're winning knowledge, hence my comment, "Get over it, go take pictures and improve yourself as an artist." By which I meant no disrespect to you or your artistic talent, I think you are a fine photographer and I have given you high marks in the past on your entries.
Your position on the original subject is correct, (IMHO) but like Laurie said, the tone of your posts just takes a good topic for debate and diminishes any hope for real examination of the subject. My original post was meant as an attempt and a little humor and meant to move on. After reading through this thread it seems that it's just turned into a flame war on one another and that is a shame.
Steve
Message edited by author 2006-01-10 09:49:56.
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01/10/2006 09:51:35 AM · #83 |
| Honestly Rose, I normally read your posts, shake my head and wonder if you just do not have enough drama in your own life that you must create some here. It is this attitude that is going to stand in the way of your enjoying this site. Most of us are here to improve our photography and have some fun with our peers. Why do you have to turn the slightest indescretion into an all out moral war. Should we all leave here, start another site and then you can run this one with your moral iron fist? Come on, get over it and enjoy your craft. |
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01/10/2006 09:56:14 AM · #84 |
laurielblack, why I get so frustrated, and it shows in my words, is because 80% of the people on this thread have only come here to instigate. Why? Because specific posters on this thread and I have had a few previous disagreements. So, naturally, Rose starts a rant thread on ANY issue, it will become a shark feed and a free for all from those specifically that have personal issues with me outside of the threads purpose.
This is why I seem rude to a certain posters on this thread. It is because I know the reason they are here is simply to patronize and ridicule a very real situation that I am QUITE sure they themselves agree with but aren't inclined to say so simply because it is I who has brought it up.
Surely the idea of swaying votes pre-challenge is not something that is or should be defended. LOL...I just feel it being defended is just pure mockary of the subject at hand, me, and this thread.
Also, once this type of ridicule gets underway by a few posters specifcially, then they start taking bits and pieces of what I say and twist it so far out of context that it becomes justifyable in their own mind - as some are legends IN their own mind.
They turned viewing a personal website into my beef (not so). They turned viewing a portfolio into my beef (not so). They turned knowing anothers spouse or sibling into my beef (not so). All in the name of just not WANTING to read the true reason for this thread.
The true reason for this thread is to denounce swaying votes in open public forum by deliberately posting your entry pre-anon-challenge and in public forum in order to gain critique good enough to feel it should be entered. This is swaying votes. Some may drop thinking theirs isn't good enough to match it; some may drop out due to controversy surrounding the subject matter of the posters photo; some may drop simply because they feel as I on the issues said here; and some will then vote on the premise of pre-seeing the entry.
Anyone who can say that that is just fine with them, well, then why not just have threads every week that state "Here is my entry, what do you all think, cause I can change it if I don't think I will get the votes?". And, if that is fine with them, then why is it we can't discuss an entry during voting by name or poster or description? It is no different, and it is not fair to those that painstakingly worked on choosing their own entry on their own, without knowing how the voters would vote on it prechallenge.
But, to get back to your statement. This thread is only continued because it is still getting replies and isn't locked up. Earlier yesterday I stated on here that I felt this thread served its purpose, and I would only return if there were more replies I felt needed addressing. The replies continued, and hence, the thread cotinuation.
The language I am using on this thread may seem rude not because I am normally that way. If you view other threads I am on, you will see that I am not usually that way when I am "NOT HECTORED"..LOL..myself. It is just that a certain few have come to this thread purely to aggravate when I know in their hearts they actually agree with me, but would NEVER admit it. LOL....
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01/10/2006 10:00:23 AM · #85 |
Originally posted by Rose8699:
The true reason for this thread is to denounce swaying votes in open public forum by deliberately posting your entry pre-anon-challenge and in public forum in order to gain critique good enough to feel it should be entered. |
If that is the true reason for this thread, why bring up old feelings and emotions from previous disagreements with others? Why not take the high road and let it go? If you feel that others are posting to instigate trouble with you, reporting the post and simply letting go would be an alternative to nine pages of constant bickering. I'm sure it would be kinder to your blood pressure as well. :) |
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01/10/2006 10:10:02 AM · #86 |
Actually Rose, you gotta chill and stop spending so much time worrying about forums. Try putting as much into you comments as you do in the forums and you'd be the most active CC'er is the place.
Remember panties + knot = bad wedgie :D |
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01/10/2006 10:18:37 AM · #87 |
Ok, let's just bypass the original concept of this thread.
A new challenge is coming up. What do you say we all post our entries into a thread in "Current Challenge"? What do you say? We don't HAVE to state it is being done to gain votes. We can simply say "Well, I was going to enter this one, but I changed my mind". You know? Fudge it a bit to get not only sympathy, but praise? LOL....Then, once we know the general concensus, we can either pull it and enter it, or try posting another and see what happens that way? Is everyone game on that? I mean, it is just a matter of changing the wording when you post it. Just don't post it and ASK for who would vote what. Sounds like a plan to me? NO?
So, forget the fact that this thread even exists. I have a new mindset now! Hell, and all this time I was using those outside of this site when I felt the need in order to keep the anon factor, when all of this time I could have gone RIGHT to the very voters!? My LAWD! *Rose shakes her OWN head*. I've been looking at this ALL the wrong way! All I have to do is not give two cents about entering a challenge anon! LOL....
Ok, you can all forget this thread now. I'm SO sorry for being so passionate about dignity and integrity. I mean, as I have been told many times, it's all in the name of fun anyway, and I really shouldn't take things so seriously. I think you are right.
ON that note, I am going shooting today with my new star filter! I am really excited about it, and intend to get some great shots for my Free Study entry! Maybe when I get a chance, I will spring a few in my portfolio for critique!!
Thank you all!
Oh, and laurielblack? I just saw your last post. To answer, I can't..LOL..nor would I flag a post simply to say "hey, this person hates me, so they are only on this thread for that purpose". LOL...I'm 46, not 4. But, this is a rant thread, and ranting helps the BPressure ,and doesn't highten it.
And Troberge? You are absolutely right. I am totally over it now and know exactly what I can do to get over it. I'm going to have fun! And, as another stated on this thread, "we are here to help our peers and help others learn" or something to that effect. I will take that advice and remember it when I post my entries prechallenge.
Ok, my rant is over. Time to bathe the cats, make some chilli, and go take photos! And to the person who likes my shots? THANK YOU! You are a doll, and much appreciated. And I apologize to you for taking your post as sarcasim when you were only trying to lighten the situation. :) Sometimes, I can't tell the difference.
Rose
Message edited by author 2006-01-10 11:26:44. |
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01/10/2006 10:25:13 AM · #88 |
Originally posted by notonline:
Actually Rose, you gotta chill and stop spending so much time worrying about forums. Try putting as much into you comments as you do in the forums and you'd be the most active CC'er is the place.
Remember panties + knot = bad wedgie :D |
You are SO right. I couldn't agree with you more! No more worrying about forums for me! I am just going to join in all the fun with the rest and end this terrible charade of seriousness about entries. As for comments? I commented on 139 images in the Mother challenge, and so far, 30+ in Burst of Color. I won't ask your count. Oh, and please don't worry too much about this comment, but my panties are really none of your business and I would prefer you stop mentioning them. :) Just a joke, really. Please, don't take that all too seriously!
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01/10/2006 01:22:28 PM · #89 |
| complain about something else why don't you? every challenge its something. |
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01/10/2006 01:36:53 PM · #90 |
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
complain about something else why don't you? every challenge its something. |
Hadn't you noticed? I was done complaining!!! LOL...
Awwwww, c'mon Jmnuggy! Don't take things so seriously pal! It's a beautiful day! Go and enjoy it! I just did!!
Rose
Message edited by author 2006-01-10 13:37:16. |
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01/10/2006 01:43:39 PM · #91 |
mmmmmm...Chili !!!!
:-) :-) :-)
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01/10/2006 02:25:59 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by taterbug:
mmmmmm...Chili !!!!
:-) :-) :-) |
Want some? It's an award winning recipe!!!
:)
Rose |
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01/10/2006 02:57:33 PM · #93 |
Interestingly, the only person I see being bullied in this thread is the person accused of bullying...
Message edited by author 2006-01-10 14:57:53. |
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01/10/2006 08:57:58 PM · #94 |
Rose,
If you don't mind me asking (or even if you do):
If you see a post that is inappropriate (for example, a potential challenge entry posted before the challenge begins), why are you taking it upon yourself to police the thread instead of clicking report post and letting Site Council address it appropriately? Surely that would be a much cleaner solution for everyone, and avoid many of these arguments?
~Terry
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01/10/2006 09:00:44 PM · #95 |
Oh noooooo....not again! ;^)
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01/10/2006 09:34:00 PM · #96 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
If you don't mind me asking (or even if you do): |
Several hours go by with nobody exchanging harsh words, then you come along and say something like that? Sounds to me like you're just instigating--trying to keep the argument going. Bad form dude.
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01/10/2006 09:38:19 PM · #97 |
Originally posted by micknewton:
Several hours go by with nobody exchanging harsh words, |
You missed the Baking thread. Figger out what CJ is talking about first.
Message edited by author 2006-01-10 21:40:00.
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01/11/2006 10:46:38 AM · #98 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Rose,
If you don't mind me asking (or even if you do):
If you see a post that is inappropriate (for example, a potential challenge entry posted before the challenge begins), why are you taking it upon yourself to police the thread instead of clicking report post and letting Site Council address it appropriately? Surely that would be a much cleaner solution for everyone, and avoid many of these arguments?
~Terry |
There is a very simple answer for your inquiry Clubjungle, and that is there IS nothing for council to take care of if this is legal on this site.
It is legal to out yourself before competition, is it not? It is legal to post an entry, and well, let's say.....you post it giving the pretense it won't be used, BUT when you get the comments you like, you pull it and enter it. This is legal, so why flag the post?
In a thread called "Baking", a poster posted several entries. Asked members/voters to choose which one they thought he was using in the "Singled Out" challenge. Later on, he solicited for tens IF anyone recognized his entries, as he planned on putting each and every one in any contest he could. Naturally, I went there and put in my 5 dollars worth. He "said" he was only joking, and that he planned on entering no challenges, and then the thread was locked, to not only MY liking, but that of those who PM'ed me thanking me for the police work, so to speak.
You see, there are MANY on this site who disapprove of this prechallenge entry posting in order to sway votes. As long as it remains unpoliced by council, someone needs to bring it to attention.
Now, did any council view that thread? And if so, was it addressed? NOT to my knowledge. From what I understand, council has enough on their plates. For me to flag a message that isn't even illegal on this site is more unproductive than to address it myself in open forum.
When the day comes where this solicitation is not allowed by DPC, then those of us who feel the need to uphold this moral issue will cease and will flag the message.
EDITED TO ADD: When you see this sign in one of my posts on a thread where a prechallenge entry is posted in open forum.....
...know that the "self appointed Challenge Entry Gestapo" (as I have been so dubbed..LOL) is ON the case! But I won't flag a message that is only going to waste the time of council if nothing is going to be done.
Now, if you don't mind me asking you a question (and even if you do), just what WOULD you have done if I did flag it?
For that matter, to be off subject completely, forget about flagging posts. I submitted my Mother entry in the ticket for validation two days before challenge end. I have yet to hear on it. Did "once again", no one receive the ticket?
I think a lot of voters voted it down thinking it was DNMC by processing. I wanted a "Entry Validated" placed at the bottom. Sent all the info. It went through. Even had the little write up under my thumbnail of the image for a while before challenge's end, saying it was in process. Had that validated message been placed, it may have made a difference in my scores. Can't say for sure, but I think it may have. It's a bit too late to know now, isn't it.
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01/11/2006 10:58:31 AM · #99 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
Originally posted by micknewton:
Several hours go by with nobody exchanging harsh words, |
You missed the Baking thread. Figger out what CJ is talking about first. |
There were no harsh words on that thread, Mav. Once again, you are wrong.
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01/11/2006 11:04:06 AM · #100 |
Originally posted by Rose8699:
...know that the "self appointed Challenge Entry Gestapo" (as I have been so dubbed..LOL) is ON the case! But I won't flag a message that is only going to waste the time of council if nothing is going to be done.
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that moniker was given to you in jest. if you see something that you think is inappropriate in a forum post, you should report it. the site council reviews all reported posts and takes action IF NECESSARY.
Originally posted by Rose8699:
For that matter, to be off subject completely, forget about flagging posts. I submitted my Mother entry in the ticket for validation two days before challenge end. I have yet to hear on it. Did "once again", no one receive the ticket?
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validation notes are only given when the SC determines that it's possible for someone to misinterpret the manner in which a photo was taken. simply requesting validation for a photo does not guarantee that it will receive a validation notice during voting....otherwise too many people would take advantage of it.
if you have submitted a photo for validation and heard nothing on it, you can assume that everything is fine. if more information is needed, it will be requested. |
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