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01/01/2006 02:12:40 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by HBunch:
But we all know who the 'original' DPC is :) |
The only DPC... |
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01/01/2006 02:25:51 AM · #27 |
| That is like bizzarro world over there just like superman had bizzarro DPC has that site. I wonder where they got the idea of their layout? |
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01/01/2006 02:38:15 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by justin_hewlett:
Originally posted by faidoi:
DPC doesn't have ads :) |
Log out and you'll see them. Google ads along the side, as well as at the top and bottom of forum pages. |
I guess I'll see it a lot in 21 days.
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01/01/2006 06:22:46 AM · #29 |
I registered there, and tried voting on some pictures. But, when you submit a vote, it takes you back to the home page. Very annoying.
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01/01/2006 06:28:29 AM · #30 |
| i would not be surprised if the site is start off from previous or current DPCier. |
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01/01/2006 06:54:47 AM · #31 |
So, I have been pacing around my living room for the past few hours, contemplating whether or not I should post something to this thread os just let it pass. I decided to "take a swing at it" and hope I won't be eaten alive (please!).
Let me start out by saying that I am an avid admirer of DPC. I loved it from the first moment I found this site, and I like to believe that DPC is largely the reason why I started to become truly passionate about photography. The reason for my hesitation to post is the fact that I have a significant part in the birth of EyeFetch and am a constant advisor to the site owners.
Now that this is in the open, let me clear up a few things. It's true the contest section of EyeFetch now resambles a rather close match with DPC. I say "now", because to our defense, it didn't start out that way. But as all of you can probably tell from the UI at EyeFetch - the creators of EyeFetch are pretty good developers, but lousy designers. And over time, the design just came closer and closer to DPC, because the truth is, that the design is clean and works rather well.
All that said, the overall site already significantly differentiates itself from DPC (feature wise), and over time will even more. The plan for EyeFetch is very different from DPC, and we in no way ever meant to "steal" from DPC, or try to diminish this absolutely amazing community. There will be overlap from time to time - as someone else in this thread said earlier - it is good business sense to take proven ideas and expand upon them, and we intend to build a good business with EyeFetch. We all know that the web was built on the concept of expanding on ideas of others - tagging for instance is all over the web now, and I haven't heard Flickr complain a bit - and so I am sure EyeFetch, just as DPC, will take ideas from other sites in the future.
So with all that, we hope Drew and Langdon, and the rest of DPC, can take it - as it is often said - as flattery, and I surely intend to stay part of this community as well as of EyeFetch (if allowed).
Happy New Year to all of you!
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01/01/2006 07:17:27 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by justin_hewlett:
Anyone else see this as almost an exact copy of DPC? |
Guess their just trying to imitate the best.
Edit: Sorry Para, I didn't read your whole post. But, I agree, you see what others are doing and TRY to be a bit different. But, truth be told, when you see something that works on 1 site.....why not try it out?
Message edited by author 2006-01-01 07:20:46.
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01/01/2006 07:29:01 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by HBunch:
This one isn't nearly as big of a ripoff as fotofight was. I haven't been there lately, but they copy and pasted the rules and everything right off DPC, they were confronted and I believe they changed some stuff. At least this site changed a few words. lol
Imitation is the highest form of flattery. But we all know who the 'original' DPC is :) |
For anyone curious...this was an interesting topic here for awhile (some other threads too, but this was the biggest I think): FotoFight
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01/01/2006 07:44:54 AM · #34 |
If you want your flag on profile just put it in forum code in your bio I have it looks good:))
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01/01/2006 08:24:45 AM · #35 |
If DPC was a software product, Eyefetch developers would be guilty of copying the user interface wholesale (and very likely significant portions of the code underneath), and would likely be the subject of a very specific lawsuit over copyright and patent infringement. I have no idea how the law protects web developers though, and how it differs from what happens in the software world. To my consumer's eye though, Eyefetch is a clear attempt to rip-off DPC's interface, visual appeal and picture display and voting procedures. Any differences that I see are purely cosmetic and not very substantial.
I'm not saying this to be in your face or mean spirited, just the facts as I see them. I'll trust what you say about the intent to differentiate. Right now though, it's like a carbon copy.
Originally posted by ParadigmShift:
So, I have been pacing around my living room for the past few hours, contemplating whether or not I should post something to this thread os just let it pass. I decided to "take a swing at it" and hope I won't be eaten alive (please!).
Let me start out by saying that I am an avid admirer of DPC. I loved it from the first moment I found this site, and I like to believe that DPC is largely the reason why I started to become truly passionate about photography. The reason for my hesitation to post is the fact that I have a significant part in the birth of EyeFetch and am a constant advisor to the site owners.
Now that this is in the open, let me clear up a few things. It's true the contest section of EyeFetch now resambles a rather close match with DPC. I say "now", because to our defense, it didn't start out that way. But as all of you can probably tell from the UI at EyeFetch - the creators of EyeFetch are pretty good developers, but lousy designers. And over time, the design just came closer and closer to DPC, because the truth is, that the design is clean and works rather well.
All that said, the overall site already significantly differentiates itself from DPC (feature wise), and over time will even more. The plan for EyeFetch is very different from DPC, and we in no way ever meant to "steal" from DPC, or try to diminish this absolutely amazing community. There will be overlap from time to time - as someone else in this thread said earlier - it is good business sense to take proven ideas and expand upon them, and we intend to build a good business with EyeFetch. We all know that the web was built on the concept of expanding on ideas of others - tagging for instance is all over the web now, and I haven't heard Flickr complain a bit - and so I am sure EyeFetch, just as DPC, will take ideas from other sites in the future.
So with all that, we hope Drew and Langdon, and the rest of DPC, can take it - as it is often said - as flattery, and I surely intend to stay part of this community as well as of EyeFetch (if allowed).
Happy New Year to all of you! |
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01/01/2006 08:48:42 AM · #36 |
strangehost - Sorry, but I beg to differ. First, DPC wasn't the first site to offer photo contests, wasn't the first site to offer forums, wasn't the first site to have image rated on a scale from 1-10 (remember HotorNot?)...the list goes on.
The point here is, you can pick any site on the web, and I bet you can find several other sites that have a similar layout, or offer some of the same features, or a combination of both. I happen to have worked in some very large .com's over the years, the kind of companies that have transformed the way the web works, and I can guarantee you that the web wouldn't be the place it is today if companies hadn't constantly taken hints from other sites and built upon them. Take the search engine space for instance - half the world's search engines have results similar to Google nowadays. You think Google could sue them all? And if you really dig in, you'll find that Altavista had a similar design before that. And before that, there was someone else. Or look at mapping code. Google came out with "scrollable" maps last year - check how many websites have similar maps now. This is how the web evolves! Has EyeFetch taken a few hints from DPC? Yes! But differences are quite significant once you look more closely. EyeFetch offers PhotoBlogs, Tagging, Ratings for all images, has an Image Ranking algorithm (EyeRank - patent in progress), has an image recommendation engine (patent in progress), has Groups. And that's just some of the major features that DPC doesn't offer. DPC can't claim to have a copyright on image contests, or presenting the winners, or creating thumbnails, or using gray backgrounds with black borders (in fact, one of my on experiments in the late 90's had a very similar design, and that was long before DPC even saw the day of light). And to claim that some of the code was ripped off DPC is simply lack of understanding of technology (DPC is PHP, EyeFetch is asp.net, for starters).
As I said before, I have utmost respect for this community, and for what Drew and Langdon are doing here. But I do think there is enough space for two sites to offer photo contests, and I do think that already the differences between DPC and are quite significant, and will only grow over time.
Originally posted by strangeghost:
If DPC was a software product, Eyefetch developers would be guilty of copying the user interface wholesale (and very likely significant portions of the code underneath), and would likely be the subject of a very specific lawsuit over copyright and patent infringement. I have no idea how the law protects web developers though, and how it differs from what happens in the software world. To my consumer's eye though, Eyefetch is a clear attempt to rip-off DPC's interface, visual appeal and picture display and voting procedures. Any differences that I see are purely cosmetic and not very substantial.
I'm not saying this to be in your face or mean spirited, just the facts as I see them. I'll trust what you say about the intent to differentiate. Right now though, it's like a carbon copy.
Originally posted by ParadigmShift:
So, I have been pacing around my living room for the past few hours, contemplating whether or not I should post something to this thread os just let it pass. I decided to "take a swing at it" and hope I won't be eaten alive (please!).
Let me start out by saying that I am an avid admirer of DPC. I loved it from the first moment I found this site, and I like to believe that DPC is largely the reason why I started to become truly passionate about photography. The reason for my hesitation to post is the fact that I have a significant part in the birth of EyeFetch and am a constant advisor to the site owners.
Now that this is in the open, let me clear up a few things. It's true the contest section of EyeFetch now resambles a rather close match with DPC. I say "now", because to our defense, it didn't start out that way. But as all of you can probably tell from the UI at EyeFetch - the creators of EyeFetch are pretty good developers, but lousy designers. And over time, the design just came closer and closer to DPC, because the truth is, that the design is clean and works rather well.
All that said, the overall site already significantly differentiates itself from DPC (feature wise), and over time will even more. The plan for EyeFetch is very different from DPC, and we in no way ever meant to "steal" from DPC, or try to diminish this absolutely amazing community. There will be overlap from time to time - as someone else in this thread said earlier - it is good business sense to take proven ideas and expand upon them, and we intend to build a good business with EyeFetch. We all know that the web was built on the concept of expanding on ideas of others - tagging for instance is all over the web now, and I haven't heard Flickr complain a bit - and so I am sure EyeFetch, just as DPC, will take ideas from other sites in the future.
So with all that, we hope Drew and Langdon, and the rest of DPC, can take it - as it is often said - as flattery, and I surely intend to stay part of this community as well as of EyeFetch (if allowed).
Happy New Year to all of you! |
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Message edited by author 2006-01-01 08:51:09.
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01/01/2006 09:08:28 AM · #37 |
I find interesting that the most recent 3rd place photo has a rules violation. Probably going to be rectified after the mods get up this morning, but interesting nonetheless.
As to © violations - I believe a direct "look" copy could be construed as an infringment. Don't you think Coke would squash anyone who made a soda can that looked like theirs?
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I don't want to give the impression than I'm anti-all-other-photo-contest-sites, I'm merely presenting a case in point. I'm all for multiple outlets for creativity. :)
Message edited by author 2006-01-01 09:19:46. |
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01/01/2006 09:11:44 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by alfresco:
I find interesting that the most recent 3rd place photo has a rules violation. Probably going to be rectified after the mods get up this morning, but interesting nonetheless.
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Where did you see that? |
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01/01/2006 09:12:00 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
Originally posted by kdkaboom:
Originally posted by mandyturner:
I really like the flags next to the members names of where they are from...pretty neat. |
I actually remember reading a site suggestion here on dpc about putting flags by the member name. |
I don't like that idea. It increases the idea of separation. We're one PDC community, not representing individual countries, but the ideal of DPC and photography. |
That is silly. I like the fact that we are from all over the world. You get the same information from the profile page. I think that the flags are neat because you can see where someone is from. Thats it. I am not suggesting that we even do that here. I just liked the idea. |
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01/01/2006 09:13:01 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by A1275:
Originally posted by alfresco:
I find interesting that the most recent 3rd place photo has a rules violation. Probably going to be rectified after the mods get up this morning, but interesting nonetheless.
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Where did you see that? |
He has "photo by ..." in the lower left. Rather large text too.
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From their (and dpc's :) ) rules:
Disallowed: Addition of any text to the image (this includes copyright statements).
Message edited by author 2006-01-01 09:13:49. |
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01/01/2006 09:19:12 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by alfresco:
I find interesting that the most recent 3rd place photo has a rules violation. Probably going to be rectified after the mods get up this morning, but interesting nonetheless.
As to © violations - I believe a direct "look" copy could be construed as an infringment. Don't you think Coke would squash anyone who made a soda can that looked like theirs? |
The question is what you consider a "direct look" copy? The main reason why the two look similar is the use of grey and black borders. The reason why EyeFetch picked gray had nothing to do with DPC, though. It was purely because it is the most "neutral" color, and avoids colorful distractions when looking at images.
Also, look at the rest of the web. Do Google results look different from MSN results? Does Orbitz flight searches look different from Expedia's flight searches? Or what about Flickr and 23hq.com? What about Friendster and Orkut? What about Match.com and True.com? I could go on for hours. And Coke and Pepsi? Come on....tell me they don't copy each others designs constantly when a new flavor comes out.
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01/01/2006 09:21:05 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by alfresco:
Originally posted by A1275:
Originally posted by alfresco:
I find interesting that the most recent 3rd place photo has a rules violation. Probably going to be rectified after the mods get up this morning, but interesting nonetheless.
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Where did you see that? |
He has "photo by ..." in the lower left. Rather large text too.
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From their (and dpc's :) ) rules:
Disallowed: Addition of any text to the image (this includes copyright statements). |
Actually, that's one of the rules we are going to drop with the next rules update. If it weren't for the lawyers of this world, we would have updated our rules weeks ago, but we needed a clean pass from our legal counsel before we could push out the new rules, and lawyers can take their sweet time when they wordsmith :)
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01/01/2006 09:21:51 AM · #43 |
In case it's lost above:
Edit:
I don't want to give the impression than I'm anti-all-other-photo-contest-sites, I'm merely presenting a case in point. I'm all for multiple outlets for creativity. :) |
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01/01/2006 09:49:05 AM · #44 |
wow that site is just a rip off of this one eveything is just like this, but this is the best, no ads either and here DPC's site is very clean looking, wow that site is just to similar looking but they can compete here with this site
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01/01/2006 09:49:07 AM · #45 |
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Message edited by author 2006-01-01 09:49:34.
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01/01/2006 09:49:37 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by ParadigmShift:
Originally posted by alfresco:
Disallowed: Addition of any text to the image (this includes copyright statements). |
Actually, that's one of the rules we are going to drop with the next rules update. If it weren't for the lawyers of this world, we would have updated our rules weeks ago, but we needed a clean pass from our legal counsel before we could push out the new rules, and lawyers can take their sweet time when they wordsmith :) |
Understood, and that's cool, but surely the image in question will be evaluated against the rule set that was in place at the time of submission? This is a rhetorical question, as I know it would be inappropriate for you to answer here.
For the record, IMHO, EyeFetch looks similar to DPC but has enough differences to stand in it's own right. Common sense would dictate a neutral color for the background, and there are enough other features over there (groups, blogs, misc. ranking features, the way comments work) that it seems like they have a more individual approach than Fotofight does in comparison.
Of particular interest to me is how the potential DQ is handled. Integrity for the rules is important, and allowing an obvious rule break to remain on the front page might very well discourage new members from registering. Just my 2 cents...
Naturally, there is no substitute for DPC. The quality of images here is fantastic, and so is the sense of community. While some features of the site's design can be mimiced, the quality of entries and sense of community would be much harder to recreate.
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01/01/2006 10:01:20 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by A1275:
Originally posted by ParadigmShift:
Originally posted by alfresco:
Disallowed: Addition of any text to the image (this includes copyright statements). |
Actually, that's one of the rules we are going to drop with the next rules update. If it weren't for the lawyers of this world, we would have updated our rules weeks ago, but we needed a clean pass from our legal counsel before we could push out the new rules, and lawyers can take their sweet time when they wordsmith :) |
Understood, and that's cool, but surely the image in question will be evaluated against the rule set that was in place at the time of submission? This is a rhetorical question, as I know it would be inappropriate for you to answer here.
For the record, IMHO, EyeFetch looks similar to DPC but has enough differences to stand in it's own right. Common sense would dictate a neutral color for the background, and there are enough other features over there (groups, blogs, misc. ranking features, the way comments work) that it seems like they have a more individual approach than Fotofight does in comparison.
Of particular interest to me is how the potential DQ is handled. Integrity for the rules is important, and allowing an obvious rule break to remain on the front page might very well discourage new members from registering. Just my 2 cents...
Naturally, there is no substitute for DPC. The quality of images here is fantastic, and so is the sense of community. While some features of the site's design can be mimiced, the quality of entries and sense of community would be much harder to recreate. |
For what it's worth, the image will most likely not be disqualified, because we had a thread on EyeFetch before where it was explained that this rule does not have to be followed any more. Generally EyeFetch is more lax with the rules, as they are still forming them to what the community thinks is best. They have become stricter with the past few contests, but quite a few things are still open for discussion. If that scares away people, would be a shame, but I guess that would be one of the differences in audience between DPC and EyeFetch...
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01/01/2006 11:35:12 AM · #48 |
I say let em be. It will either make it or not. I went to one of the other similar site that someone mentioned was a concernm last year. They have less then 50 photos in each challenge.
If Bob's Digital Cameras came out with the Bob DIGICAM 20D that looked like a Canon I still wouldn't buy it, although I know a small group of people would.
just a thought. |
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01/01/2006 06:40:11 PM · #49 |
| i belive competition improves the things, hope things will be improved here and there. |
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01/01/2006 07:43:01 PM · #50 |
You know what? I am psyched about another challenge site, and I am happy to have opened up this thread. Reason being? We can all share our photography, IF we want to on a larger scale.
The first site I ever joined was Fotofight. I am loyal to that site as my "home" site and have met many wonderful people there. I then signed on and paid to be here, and now I am a member of this mentioned site as of tonight, along with about 3 others as well.
The main thing that has not been posted here is that photography is wonderful to share, and to do, and I say the more sites the better. Hell, I had a site online once of a different nature. I was crabbed at for copying and had others also copy mine. It is NO biggy. There will always be others who copy or mimic. In my case, I never copied anyone. I came up with my own ideas and basically opened the site with ideas I researched for nearly 2 years before hand. Never even saw the other sites I was accused of mimicing, so naturally, when it falls within the same realm, it is bound to be similar.
I am thrilled about this new site, and plan to enter challenges there. I also love it here and the competition here is more fierce, which I do tend to also love. Fotofight is also wonderful. They all seem to have their own feel, and in that they are all wonderful in their own way.
Rose
Message edited by author 2006-01-01 19:44:40.
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