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 02/01/2005 07:02:21 AM · #51
Well, from reading this post, I guess I am very lucky that I received the score I did... and yes I am!

02/01/2005 07:05:13 AM · #52
It was nice to see two ribbon newcomers in the 2nd and 3rd place. Congrats to nordic and briphoto for the awesome shots. And to Heida also for her stunning first place.
 02/01/2005 07:08:59 AM · #53
Originally posted by fotodude:
i arive lastly at this conclution that I WIMPED OUT SUBMITTING THE SHOT I THOUGHT OTHERS WOULD LIKE and not the 1 i liked.


Can you show us the shot you wanted to submit? I would really like to see it.

Thanks.
 02/01/2005 07:14:27 AM · #54
I would love to know who gave me a one. There is not way ANY photo's deserved a one in this challenge. I wanna see 1 challenge where the score cannot be seen until AFTER the voting has been completed. This way people won't think "my shot is doing porly lets vote everybody elses a one to bring my score up. I also think that they should remove the 10 lowest scores that were given on a photo to stop this nonsense stated above.

Message edited by mk - removed personal attack.
 02/01/2005 07:23:39 AM · #55
Realistically, the low votes average out; seems like pretty much everyone gets a handful of them so they affect all the "good" pictures pretty evenly, right? Heida's winning pic got an ace, a deuce, and a trey... 2nd had a 2 and a 3, third had a deuce and 5 3's. I donno...

Robt.
 02/01/2005 07:26:14 AM · #56
Originally posted by notonline:
I would love to know who the retard was that gave me a one. There is not way ANY photo's deserved a one in this challenge. I wanna see 1 challenge where the score cannot be seen until AFTER the voting has been completed. This way people won't think "my shot is doing porly lets vote everybody elses a one to bring my score up. I also think that they should remove the 10 lowest scores that were given on a photo to stop this nonsense stated above.


I wish I gave you a 1 just so I could argue with you, but I didn't vote.

I think you really must accept that your image will not be loved by everyone whom is so fortunate to look at it - in all honesty I despise wedding images, and for that reason alone it would have scored low from me. Nothing about your technique what-so-ever, just that if you shoot something i personally do not like then it scores low.

However I also find the smoke a bit out of place and tacky, and the placement of the candle in between their faces is distracting, and the background is neither black nor detailed which bothers me..

I am probably exaggerating here, but I do get a bit peeved when people start calling others "retards" just for voting low on their image.

02/01/2005 07:28:11 AM · #57
That any of the photos ahaze posted got votes lower than 5 is ridiculous and not at all a matter of taste. Let's say you take calibration from a typical brown ribbon shot, and then a masterpiece -- the definitions of a bad photo and a good photo will vary according to the viewer's taste and experience, but there has to be an even curve in the voting pattern, not the kind of binary voting style some people seem to use. 9-10 for good, 1-2 for bad. Nothing in between.

edit: If we didn't have comments, this site would be absolutely useless

[/rant]

Message edited by author 2005-02-01 07:30:29.
 02/01/2005 07:30:56 AM · #58
It was bullsh*t tho. Sure I don't like cats, babies, kids, wedding etc. but I always judge a shot fairly even if my photo is doing bad in a challenge. Fair is fair but come on a 1?? I also didn't see the candle at the time and thanks for the tip. At least give reason to give such a low vote or show the persons name.

edit: i - *

Message edited by author 2005-02-01 07:32:10.
 02/01/2005 07:36:58 AM · #59
Apparently my shot was OOF or too small or something to warrent:

1: 7
2: 14
3: 32

Was it a blah shot with centered composition...maybe so but goodness =x



Not that I'm complaining. The shot ment something to me because it reminded me of my favorite part of my vacation :)
 02/01/2005 07:46:17 AM · #60
Originally posted by jlhudson:
The shot ment something to me because it reminded me of my favorite part of my vacation :)


I think you made the right choice. I too struggled with putting in a shot I thought would score well or to put in the shot I was most proud of from 2004 and I did the latter. After all, if you are not shooting photographs for yourself first and foremost instead of trying to please others, why bother?

Oh, and I am not complaining about my score, it actually ended up a little higher than I thought it would so I am quite happy, 2 people chose it in their favorites and that and a lot of great comments mean more to me than a good score.

Message edited by author 2005-02-01 08:02:54.
 02/01/2005 07:58:23 AM · #61

I must re-evaluate my time here, I don't think I'm on the same wavelength as many of the voters. [/quote]

I know what you mean, I am quite often surprised of the results, i have the impression a lot of people are quite traditional in their taste

how ever it is not about the results but the enjoyment while working the photo out. at least that is how i try to see it
Stick around and just have fun, if people like it good if they dont.. well too bad
02/01/2005 08:27:20 AM · #62
Challenges here are primarily popularity contests. People VOTE on how an image appeals to them; they generally don't JUDGE in the context of any kind of objectivety. The sooner you realize that, the more accepting you'll be of the final average vote.

One benefit IMHO is that, if you're ever looking to sell your work, entering them in challenges here is a great way to guage how well it will be received. Technically perfect shots of turds just aren't popular and won't sell...
02/01/2005 08:29:28 AM · #63
well there goes my entry for road signs...
 02/01/2005 08:33:39 AM · #64
It was certainly difficult to judge. A large number of excellent pictures. I guess you could either give out a large number of 10's and 9's or only one top score and scale the results back for the others (i.e. an averge shot within the challenge might score 5, but if it was part of a 'normal' weekly challenge it might have got a 7)

I personally went for the second option, scaling my votes for this challenge.

All in all I was very impressed with the standard

02/01/2005 09:07:11 AM · #65
Originally posted by notonline:
It was bullsh*t tho. Sure I don't like cats, babies, kids, wedding etc. but I always judge a shot fairly even if my photo is doing bad in a challenge. Fair is fair but come on a 1?? I also didn't see the candle at the time and thanks for the tip. At least give reason to give such a low vote or show the persons name.

edit: i - *


Getting only one "1" in a big challenge like this is actually pretty good.
 02/01/2005 09:21:49 AM · #66
Originally posted by ButterflySis:
I have to disagree with this way of thinking. There are a lot of things I don't like - snakes, spiders, figurines - but if the shot is technically good you shouldn't let your opinion of the subject matter interfere with scoring it in the mid- to high range.


We're not voting here on what is technically sound or not - at least I hope we're not. We're voting on if the artist was able to capture something that evokes a response. For good or bad. If the viewer finds something in bad taste, or a subject that is unappealing, then it's going to get shot down. No matter HOW technically supurb it is. Do you put a piece of art on the wall that you can't look at, even if it's technically well done? What's the point of having it then?

There's art for art's sake, and then there's just pointlessness. A turd is a turd is a turd (to use the previous subject). At the end of the day, no matter how well captured - that's all it will be.

Stephanie
 02/01/2005 09:25:19 AM · #67
Originally posted by lenkphotos:

One benefit IMHO is that, if you're ever looking to sell your work, entering them in challenges here is a great way to guage how well it will be received.


Not always true. It also depends on the challenge the photo was submitted in. If an excellent photo gets entered into a challenge, and voters feel that photo does not have anything to do with that challenge, people will vote that low right from the get go. But that doesn't mean the photo was bad, or it won't sell among the 'general public'.
 02/01/2005 09:34:55 AM · #68
Also, I think that smoothness, heavy saturation, low clouds and commercial photography do much better here than they would in many places as prints.
02/01/2005 09:36:13 AM · #69
I think the more challenges you enter and the longer you read the forum posts, the less and less bewildered you become about challenge results. I too used to be shocked that photos I rated as 9s and 10s ended up in the back half of the pack. I used to be personally offended if someone gave my technically-sufficent and challenge-oriented shot a 1 or a 2. Now I just take it all with a grain of salt.

You can't please all of the people all of the time (unless you are one of a few photographic savants we have floating around on this site) and complaining about it won't do any good at all, and calling a person out for voting what they felt was appropriate is rather childish. Take pictures you are happy with and that please you. Try new things and experiment more. Enter challenges and when the result isn't what you hoped for, try something else. Put your shots on other sites for feedback from a different crowd. If you consistently score low, you need to change something. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity. ;o)

If the shots you liked the best don't end up on the front page, relish in your unique ability to see the beauty in the uncommon. It makes you special. For what it's worth, none of the top ten images were in my 10s list, and that is not meant as an affront to any of those who placed in the top 10 (they are all wonderful photos). I just have a varied taste, and you know what? That's OK. :o)
 02/01/2005 09:43:03 AM · #70
Originally posted by laurielblack:
I think the more challenges you enter and the longer you read the forum posts, the less and less bewildered you become about challenge results. I too used to be shocked that photos I rated as 9s and 10s ended up in the back half of the pack. I used to be personally offended if someone gave my technically-sufficent and challenge-oriented shot a 1 or a 2. Now I just take it all with a grain of salt.

You can't please all of the people all of the time (unless you are one of a few photographic savants we have floating around on this site) and complaining about it won't do any good at all, and calling a person out for voting what they felt was appropriate is rather childish. Take pictures you are happy with and that please you. Try new things and experiment more. Enter challenges and when the result isn't what you hoped for, try something else. Put your shots on other sites for feedback from a different crowd. If you consistently score low, you need to change something. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity. ;o)

If the shots you liked the best don't end up on the front page, relish in your unique ability to see the beauty in the uncommon. It makes you special. For what it's worth, none of the top ten images were in my 10s list, and that is not meant as an affront to any of those who placed in the top 10 (they are all wonderful photos). I just have a varied taste, and you know what? That's OK. :o)


V.well said
 02/01/2005 10:02:40 AM · #71
Originally posted by notonline:
Fair is fair but come on a 1??


Look at the scoring results for any photo on this site. If you rotate the voting chart to the left (on most photos), it will form a mountain with valleys on either side. Those valleys represent the most polarized opinions on the photo- the opinions least likely to change for whatever reason. The low votes sting, and the high votes make you dance, but they are all influenced by voters' personal preferences, experiences, phobias or grudges, and might have little to do with photography itself. The mountain represents the opinions of the vast majority of viewers, possibly the most considered votes, and the heart of your score. If you want to place well on DPC without driving yourself nuts, you have to ignore the valleys... and learn to move mountains. ;-)
 02/01/2005 10:08:26 AM · #72
At the beginning I was kind of surprised by the challenge results, I even wrote a post once about why a blue ribbon could have got a 1. But after a few weeks around here, and few challenge entries, I have realized I just need to focus on my picture and learn from the comments and the other's work. I have improved a lot in the last weeks and it is thanks to you all :)
 02/01/2005 10:18:30 AM · #73
Originally posted by atsxus:
Originally posted by ButterflySis:
I have to disagree with this way of thinking. There are a lot of things I don't like - snakes, spiders, figurines - but if the shot is technically good you shouldn't let your opinion of the subject matter interfere with scoring it in the mid- to high range.


We're not voting here on what is technically sound or not - at least I hope we're not. We're voting on if the artist was able to capture something that evokes a response. For good or bad. If the viewer finds something in bad taste, or a subject that is unappealing, then it's going to get shot down. No matter HOW technically supurb it is. Do you put a piece of art on the wall that you can't look at, even if it's technically well done? What's the point of having it then?

There's art for art's sake, and then there's just pointlessness. A turd is a turd is a turd (to use the previous subject). At the end of the day, no matter how well captured - that's all it will be.

Stephanie


I think a turd could come out pretty nice if done corretly :)))
 02/01/2005 10:19:19 AM · #74
Originally posted by stdavidson:

I know genius when I see it. I gave this one a 10!


What should one garner from this comment... that you feel vastly superior to those of us who failed to understand... If indeed such is the case, then I for one much prefer the attitude displayed by the photographer who recognized the fact that tastes differ.

Perhaps I am misinterpreting your comments, but they do seem to suggest that we (the remaining 331 voters that did not give this a 10) are too dim to recognize genius. Then again, you did state in another thread
Originally posted by stdavidson:

I give all my friends 10s if I know what their image is.


Makes one wonder...

Ray

Message edited by author 2005-02-01 10:28:58.
 02/01/2005 10:21:35 AM · #75
Originally posted by Arancha:
I have improved a lot in the last weeks and it is thanks to you all :)


I have five challenges that I've entered now. I still wonder how I feel about it.

I mentioned the same thing that arancha said to a friend of mine, that I was "improving". He asked how I knew? Is the fact that I'm worried about what the masses will think about my photo everytime I release the shutter actually "improvement"?

I saw the architecture challenge, walked across the street and took a dozen photos or so, got a 5.75 for basically a snapshot.

For the 3 challenge, I spent three hours with a prop, thoroughly exploring it with 40 exposures or so, then came up with a creative idea, and took about 100 more to get the look I wanted. It was the first time I tried something like this - how I exposed it - and had a great time with the process of creativity.

It was very rewarding for me to see something in my mind and accomplish it with my camera. The masses aren't impressed. It's scoring lower than the "snapshot" of the city/county building right now.

So again the question, what is "improvement"? How do you measure it, and what part do the DPC challentges play in it. I find myself exerting a great deal of mental energy trying to figure out what to do with the information that challenges provide me.

There also seems to be a split between those that rank for artistic merit, and those that rate technical merit. So it becomes even harder to know what the information from a challenge means.

I entered to get some feedback on what I was doing, how I could improve. That expectation hasn't really been met - the input is vague at best, and now that I've judged a few I can see why.

So other than the fact that my dad never gave me the approval I need and I seek it from strangers now, why am I here? :-p
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