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11/16/2004 12:39:55 AM · #26 |
Random entrants.
Select a Total number of possible entrants randomly, lets say 200. Everyone who has entered in a challenge in the past 6 months has a chance to be selected. The more challenges that you have entered the more chances you have of being selected but you can only be selected once. |
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11/16/2004 12:40:51 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
Originally posted by Discraft:
The Challenge is on!! it started! :) |
That's just great! Now I'm not a master but I can't participate here eyther because I have a ribbon :(( |
Same here. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. :(
Maybe I'll just go out and shoot some photos for my OWN challenge. Here's the catch: Only I can enter. Muhahahaha.
Suddenly I feel lonely. Sniff. Can I come back?
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11/16/2004 12:41:51 AM · #28 |
| Just to recap, as I think my question may have been looked over...what if you ribbon after you submit your photo in this challenge but before the submission deadline is up? Does your photo get pulled? |
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11/16/2004 12:45:29 AM · #29 |
Great idea, and a fitting name (invitational) as well.
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11/16/2004 12:45:47 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by mariomel:
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
Originally posted by Discraft:
The Challenge is on!! it started! :) |
That's just great! Now I'm not a master but I can't participate here eyther because I have a ribbon :(( |
Same here. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. :(
Maybe I'll just go out and shoot some photos for my OWN challenge. Here's the catch: Only I can enter. Muhahahaha.
Suddenly I feel lonely. Sniff. Can I come back? |
lool good ideea today I declare my own challenge, too, I won't even tell anyone the topic. :P
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11/16/2004 12:47:30 AM · #31 |
| Please! no more new rule sets. We don't need to be dividing up the community anymore than it already is. |
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11/16/2004 12:53:23 AM · #32 |
Ok but for the sake of fairness the next invitation should be more than 0 and less than 3 ribbons challenge...
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11/16/2004 01:01:42 AM · #33 |
I understand why, but am however, personally dissapointed that you felt that you had to bow to the masses... (not that I won't enter, not having a ribbon and all...)
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11/16/2004 01:02:28 AM · #34 |
1st Invitational challenge....2 ribbons.
I only had one ribbon at the time and couldn't participate. Crap.
Then I got my 2nd ribbon..!!!!!!!
2nd Invitational challenge...3 ribbons required.
I only had two ribbons...missed out on my third by .oo4 (Indecision)
Can't participate. Crap.
3rd Invitational challenge... no ribbons.
Can't participate. Crap!
I quit. I give up.!!!
Message edited by author 2004-11-16 01:04:03. |
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11/16/2004 01:04:40 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by bongo:
1st Invitational challenge....2 ribbons.
I only had one ribbon at the time and couldn't participate. Crap.
Then I got my 2nd ribbon..!!!!!!!
2nd Invitational challenge...3 ribbons required.
I only had two ribbons...missed out on my third by .oo4 (Indecision)
Can't participate. Crap.
3rd Invitational challenge... no ribbons.
Can't participate. Crap! |
lol welcome to the ship of fools, next time they are going to make the more than 0 less than 3 ribbons one as I demanded but you are gonna gain one more, so... lol
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11/16/2004 01:04:58 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by TooCool:
I understand why, but am however, personally dissapointed that you felt that you had to bow to the masses... (not that I won't enter, not having a ribbon and all...) |
As far as I know, this site has always been guided by our wants and desires. D&L are very good at listening - not kowtowing. I think this is a fantastic idea. The best of all possible worlds. I couldn't participate in the first two, but I can this time. Maybe next time, Frum can while I can't. It's all good. :)
M
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11/16/2004 01:29:04 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by bongo:
1st Invitational challenge....2 ribbons.
I only had one ribbon at the time and couldn't participate. Crap.
Then I got my 2nd ribbon..!!!!!!!
2nd Invitational challenge...3 ribbons required.
I only had two ribbons...missed out on my third by .oo4 (Indecision)
Can't participate. Crap.
3rd Invitational challenge... no ribbons.
Can't participate. Crap!
I quit. I give up.!!! |
LOL.. I'm in the same boat.. only I won my two ribbons in a row.. *JUST* before the second "masters".. and they go and increase it to 3.
It's a lose-lose situation.
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11/16/2004 01:38:10 AM · #38 |
Everyone with just one ribbon are in the same boat.
I think it may be a case of watch this space. I hope anyway. |
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11/16/2004 01:49:34 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
As far as I know, this site has always been guided by our wants and desires. D&L are very good at listening - not kowtowing. I think this is a fantastic idea. The best of all possible worlds. I couldn't participate in the first two, but I can this time. Maybe next time, Frum can while I can't. It's all good. :)
M |
With all due respect mavrik, I don't think it is all good. Like TooCool, I also think it gives the impression that SC & admins are bowing to the most vocal of the masses. It started out as what many of us sincerely believed was a bad idea to begin with. And now the fixes are just compounding the original error.
2 ribbons, then 3 ribbons, and now no ribbons--- each time somebody gets excluded, the overall value of ribbons is cheapened, the database is further corrupted, and more hard feelings are generated. And for no good reason. There was no dire need demanding to be addressed that started this sequence of events. Put an end to it.
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11/16/2004 02:40:53 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by keegbow:
Everyone with just one ribbon are in the same boat. |
Yup, I want special treatment too. :(
Masters? Sorry, not enough ribbons.
Invitational? Sorry, too much ribbons.
I feel sooooo forgotten! (very sarcastic tone with big smile and undertone of not being too serious about it)
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11/16/2004 02:44:39 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by mavrik:
As far as I know, this site has always been guided by our wants and desires. D&L are very good at listening - not kowtowing. I think this is a fantastic idea. The best of all possible worlds. I couldn't participate in the first two, but I can this time. Maybe next time, Frum can while I can't. It's all good. :)
M |
With all due respect mavrik, I don't think it is all good. Like TooCool, I also think it gives the impression that SC & admins are bowing to the most vocal of the masses. It started out as what many of us sincerely believed was a bad idea to begin with. And now the fixes are just compounding the original error.
2 ribbons, then 3 ribbons, and now no ribbons--- each time somebody gets excluded, the overall value of ribbons is cheapened, the database is further corrupted, and more hard feelings are generated. And for no good reason. There was no dire need demanding to be addressed that started this sequence of events. Put an end to it. |
Sorry but i disagree, the SC are in a no win situation damned if they do and damned if they don,t. The only real way to address the ill conceived original idea is to give everyone the opportunity to compete against members of a similiar standing. As far has "bowing to the most vocal of the masses" in this case i would assume the non-vocal members would also be pleased and in any case I would prefer to see the admin take action when members have a genuine concern, far better to have admin that listens then a bury your head in the sand attitude.
The logic of ribbons being cheapened and data base being corrupted is ridiculous. The ribbons have no value but to stroke the ego of those that win and the amount of variables in the history of these challenges render any sought of statisical data as flawed.
Bring on the challenge for those who have been left out of these invitations I say. |
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11/16/2004 02:57:47 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by keegbow:
The logic of ribbons being cheapened and data base being corrupted is ridiculous. The ribbons have no value but to stroke the ego of those that win and the amount of variables in the history of these challenges render any sought of statisical data as flawed.
Bring on the challenge for those who have been left out of these invitations I say. |
You don't really think that the people here will look upon a ribbon won in a No Ribbon Invitational as having the same value as one from a regular challenge, or a Three Ribbon Invitational?
The corruption of the database that occurred as a result of the site's growth was a natural, built-in sort of a change. The introduction of non-parallel data from these exclusive challenges in easily avoided.
I can agree that SC are in a no-win situation, so why dig the hole deeper?
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11/16/2004 03:14:23 AM · #43 |
| OOOO, I really like the idea of a challenge based on non-DSLR and DSLR. That gives those of us without all the fancy equipment a fighting chance. Check out how many ribbon winners own Cannon 10D's!!! :) I guess that might be due to the fact that when you get really good, you break down and buy the really good equipment. I haven't gotten that good yet! |
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11/16/2004 03:20:04 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by lilnukee:
I guess that might be due to the fact that when you get really good, you break down and buy the really good equipment. |
I think you hit the nail on the head here. I think the fact that a lot of DSLR owners have ribboned is more of a reflection on who owns the DSLR's than on the cameras themselves.
Take a look at this entry for a perfect example. It was taken with a pocket-sized point and shoot set to a 1 megapixel setting, and took the blue ribbon in Music (Challenge 271).
-Terry
Message edited by author 2004-11-16 03:21:14.
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11/16/2004 03:21:45 AM · #45 |
other invitational challenges should be based on and encourage greater involvement on the site, such as the number of comments you have left, number of comments found useful, number of posts left on the forums, number of challenges previously entered or the number of votes cast. also other factors (say 5+ or 6+ average score) could come into play.
I also like the idea of the challenges mentioned above for 1. those involved up to 6 months and 2. the non-dSLR users. similarly, one for those who renewed after a year should be given acknowledgement in the form of another challenge.
oh, and grrr! those with ONE ribbon only should be given a challenge, for we all feel mightily left out i'm sure. and i don't even LIKE my ribbon shot! godammit! let's have a challenge for those who ONLY have one ribbon, please!
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11/16/2004 03:32:07 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by keegbow:
The logic of ribbons being cheapened and data base being corrupted is ridiculous. The ribbons have no value but to stroke the ego of those that win and the amount of variables in the history of these challenges render any sought of statisical data as flawed.
Bring on the challenge for those who have been left out of these invitations I say. |
You don't really think that the people here will look upon a ribbon won in a No Ribbon Invitational as having the same value as one from a regular challenge, or a Three Ribbon Invitational?
The corruption of the database that occurred as a result of the site's growth was a natural, built-in sort of a change. The introduction of non-parallel data from these exclusive challenges in easily avoided.
I can agree that SC are in a no-win situation, so why dig the hole deeper? |
I think we would never see each others logic on this so I will try to reply with an open mind as much as possible.
For your first question Yes I do it is just as valuable as any other ribbon here, as has been stated here many times before some of the most talented people here are not ribbon winners.
Do you think someone who won a ribbon with 100 entries values it any less then a competition with 300 entries?
I fail to see this corruption of the data base, each competition gives us a set of statistics these stats are based on the individual competition and should be looked at in that context.
The stats that give you your average has far to many abnomalities to be relevant for any purpose your only real way for comparision is to compare individual challenges. Anyway like i said before lets agree to disagree. cheers
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11/16/2004 03:32:44 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
Originally posted by mariomel:
Participants with:
1. More than 100 challenge entries (old timers) like me
2. Between 50 and 99 entries (veterans)
3. From 1 to 49 entries (rookies) |
I like this idea too. |
This a great idea & I like the one with the cameras by type but there are a lot of different cameras registered here.
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11/16/2004 03:39:57 AM · #48 |
I think it is a good idea. If the changes don't work, or aren't liked, they can be stopped. But some of our members are leaving because nothing new was happening, and I don't want to see them leave.
I want to see this happen, but some of these challenges may be to regulate. What about people changing their preferences to meet the challenge description? Changing cameras, locations, ages. I guess they could tally it before, then publish a list of elgible participants. But then what if people change it just because, and happen to get in? Seems unlikely, but may happen. And what of those that have specified an age, camera, gender, whatever. Left out? Sounds like a good incentive to fill those options out.
I think the way we could fix the people screwed by winning another ribbon between masters challenges is if someone (admin/sc) could conjure up the list of ribbon counts for people befor the first master's challenge. That way those that have won more would still be put in the one ribbon group and be able to participate.
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11/16/2004 04:37:15 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by lilnukee:
OOOO, I really like the idea of a challenge based on non-DSLR and DSLR. That gives those of us without all the fancy equipment a fighting chance. Check out how many ribbon winners own Cannon 10D's!!! :) I guess that might be due to the fact that when you get really good, you break down and buy the really good equipment. I haven't gotten that good yet! |
I'm not sure that splitting dSLR and non-dSLR is a good idea, there is a general misconception that you have more chance of doing well with a dSLR, personally I don't agree with this. Apart from the basic conception that the photographer, not the camera makes the picture there are also the other facts to take in mind; looking at the last 5 costs taken from the challenge history (Indecision, Calendar, B.Nature, Music and Poverty) we have 30 top ten entries taken with a dSLR and 20 without, adding to this the concept that (semi-)professionals will be using dSLR's (we all know the advantages of a dSLR to those people) and therefore their photographic ability does give them an edge that would account for the 3:2 ratio. Thus, it is clear that the camera does not give a significant advantage for challenge entries and having a challenge that created such a divide is pointless.
The first advantage that comes to mind with a dSLR is the freedom from shutter lag, but looking at the recent 'Stopped Motion II' challenge (where dSLR's would be assumed to have a clear advantage) the top ten ratio is 5:5. Interestly if we look at the 'Team Sports Action' challenge then the ratio is 10:0 which, to me demonstraits that in this case the photographers that are more adept at sports photography did well, thus another clear indication that it's the photographer and not the equipment that makes the photo.
Also remember that what we submit to the challenges are only 640px so the quality advantages required for printed output are not applicable.
And, it's a bit of fun to see pocket cameras taking a blue - well done Ben :)
Darren |
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11/16/2004 06:33:55 AM · #50 |
It's great to know that some of the ideas proposed in Clubjuggle's recent thread (looking for new ideas) are already being implemented.
Kudos to Drew and Langdon for being so quick off the mark on this one.
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