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11/16/2004 11:23:39 AM · #76 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
I SAY WE PUT THE "ALL" BACK INTO CHALLENGE! WITHOUT IT, WE'RE JUST LEFT WITH "CHENGE"...AND CHENGE IS NEVER GOOD! |
Round of applause for that. Very clever : )
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11/16/2004 11:28:47 AM · #77 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Honestly, I think a challenge for those with only one or two ribbons might yield some of the best photos. |
I've always thought that this site isn't necessarily about producing the best photos, full stop. Rather this is a learning site where learners try to produce their best photos.
Masters' challenges help to promote models for the rest of us, but we still need a place to compete and learn. |
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11/16/2004 11:41:04 AM · #78 |
Man, this is a weird site. I was just checking on the averages for a couple of my favourite photogs here, and it turns out that JJBeguin, Sonifo, Edwin Loyola (imagesloyola), Jodie Coston, and Carsten all have averages below 6! That is just weird.
OK, off to work wondering about how weird the world is. |
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11/16/2004 11:52:54 AM · #79 |
Originally posted by ursula:
Man, this is a weird site. I was just checking on the averages for a couple of my favourite photogs here, and it turns out that JJBeguin, Sonifo, Edwin Loyola (imagesloyola), Jodie Coston, and Carsten all have averages below 6! That is just weird.
OK, off to work wondering about how weird the world is. |
Ursula,
I've just checked mine again and found that you are over 6.5 after 17 challenges for me. That's impressive. Thanks for your inspiration. |
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11/16/2004 12:32:56 PM · #80 |
i think the new challenges are fun and you can lump me into the "only 1 ribbon and have been left out thus far" category.
i don't remember anyone complaining when we started having speed challenges. not everyone can participate in all of those.
why is "chenge" such a bad thing?
man, guys.... if you're really that upset by this i think you need to turn off the computer, step back slowly, and think about what's really important. yeesh. |
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11/16/2004 12:35:42 PM · #81 |
"Gimme, gimme, gimmeee. I want, I want. I need, I need!"
Bob in What About Bob? |
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11/16/2004 12:47:04 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by muckpond:
why is "chenge" such a bad thing?
man, guys.... if you're really that upset by this i think you need to turn off the computer, step back slowly, and think about what's really important. yeesh. |
hehe...my 'chenge' post was a joke, yeesher arafat...
;0)
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11/16/2004 12:51:01 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by ursula:
Man, this is a weird site. I was just checking on the averages for a couple of my favourite photogs here, and it turns out that JJBeguin, Sonifo, Edwin Loyola (imagesloyola), Jodie Coston, and Carsten all have averages below 6! That is just weird.
OK, off to work wondering about how weird the world is. |
And, as I recall, when the first masters challenge came up, I looked up a few excellent photographers here who had never won a ribbon, and I think some with averages at or above 6. (Can't remember any names off the top of my head...)
If anyone thinks this "no ribbons" challenge will be an easy shot for a ribbon, they might want to think again. I suspect some really great talent will come forward and win a much deserved first ribbon. |
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11/16/2004 12:53:49 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by ScottK:
And, as I recall, when the first masters challenge came up, I looked up a few excellent photographers here who had never won a ribbon, and I think some with averages at or above 6. (Can't remember any names off the top of my head...)
If anyone thinks this "no ribbons" challenge will be an easy shot for a ribbon, they might want to think again. I suspect some really great talent will come forward and win a much deserved first ribbon. |
I agree...although I plan on entering...i do not automatically assume to have a much better chance. Pour example, Anastasia is among the competition for this challenge.
Good luck to everyone!
Message edited by author 2004-11-16 12:54:19.
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11/16/2004 01:02:50 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by Tranquil:
...do not automatically assume to have a much better chance. Pour example, Anastasia is among the competition for this challenge. |
Yeow! A 6.29 average in 29 challenges with no ribbons to show for it. |
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11/16/2004 02:44:29 PM · #86 |
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
In that light, it's a bit disappointing how much entitlement some people seem to express to having THEIR SPECIFIC wants and needs catered to. They seem to think that EVERY value-added service MUST cater to THEIR needs, and that every change or experiment is a catastrophe. When in reality nothing has really changed at all except possibly the opportunity to bring more fun and interest to the website. |
My point better explained again. Thanks Mag!
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11/16/2004 03:07:13 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by Tranquil:
...do not automatically assume to have a much better chance. Pour example, Anastasia is among the competition for this challenge. |
Well, I'll be entering but I have to admit I'm making the assumptions that I have a better chance in this one...Anastasia could just as well enter any challenge so that doesn't really factor in.
What does factor in is the fact that the entrants are limited, which means that my chances of ribboning are better. This applies to any challenge where the entrants are limited, including the Master's challenge. Winning the Master's challenge, while exciting, is easier than winning an identical challenge where the entrants aren't limited.
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11/16/2004 03:21:59 PM · #88 |
Originally posted by Refracted:
hehe.. i knew this was going to happen. I have one ribbon, so i couldn't enter both masters challenges, nor this one.. i predicted that the next one would be a "no ribbon" contest in one of the masters challenge threads.. so no suprise here.. |
And three more ribbon winners will join this elite group after this challenge is over :-). That's ironic, isn't it? |
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11/16/2004 03:27:31 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Winning the Master's challenge, while exciting, is easier than winning an identical challenge where the entrants aren't limited. |
Maybe, but there's a group of a few dozen people that always seem to hover around the top. Whether it's a regular challenge or multi-ribbon invitational challenge, you're still largely competing against those same people. Thus, a Master's challenge isn't [much] easier to win. It might actually be harder since the "big guns" are pressured to try a little harder.
While it's not unusual to get a first-time ribbon winner in the regular challenges, a non-ribbon challenge removes much of the tougher competition. Any competitor has got to feel better about the odds of winning when the "stars" are benched. |
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11/16/2004 03:35:12 PM · #90 |
I don't think it's going to be an 'easy ribbon' for anyone! No challenge ever is. Someone could take a once in a lifetime shot with a 1.0 mp camera and get first place -- that's what I love about photography though. Sometimes you get that perfect shot, sometimes you don't, but it's always changing.
edit: Sometimes you get that perfect shot, most of the time you don't, but it's always changing.
Message edited by author 2004-11-16 15:36:32. |
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11/16/2004 03:45:39 PM · #91 |
I like the title ' emerging -' masters' or 'photographers' for the invitational challenge category, just an idea
Message edited by author 2004-11-16 15:46:19. |
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11/16/2004 03:49:03 PM · #92 |
Ribbons no longer all have equal value. It would be tough to argue against that. This is why I was against any exclusive challenges at first.
But I've had a shift in paradigm...I've come to realise that the value of the ribbon should be subjective. As in any series of competitions or fairs or events, you can't put all of your ribbons together and say "I've won 7 ribbons in my life"...it's dumb. What really counts is each individual challenge. Some may have been easy wins...others more difficult.
That being said, it seems to make sense that the next step in this paradigm shift is to remove the 'collection' of ribbons off of people's portfolios and show "Last three ribbons" or something of that nature...but I'm sure nobody will be up for that!
Message edited by author 2004-11-16 15:49:24.
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11/16/2004 03:53:42 PM · #93 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Ribbons no longer all have equal value. It would be tough to argue against that. This is why I was against any exclusive challenges at first.
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Ribbons never had equal value. Every challenge has had a different number of entrants, especially if you compare challenges now to challenges in the first couple months of the site. Some challenge topics have been more difficult or more involved than others. They've had different editing rules and restrictions. Some have even required text. This isn't diluting the value of a ribbon.
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11/16/2004 03:55:36 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by mk:
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Ribbons no longer all have equal value. It would be tough to argue against that. This is why I was against any exclusive challenges at first.
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Ribbons never had equal value. Every challenge has had a different number of entrants, especially if you compare challenges now to challenges in the first couple months of the site. Some challenge topics have been more difficult or more involved than others. They've had different editing rules and restrictions. Some have even required text. This isn't diluting the value of a ribbon. |
Sure, but I don't think most people view it that way...
...and your first and last sentences don't really jive, unless I'm missing something.
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11/16/2004 03:57:08 PM · #95 |
Originally posted by mk:
Every challenge has had a different number of entrants, especially if you compare challenges now to challenges in the first couple months of the site. Some challenge topics have been more difficult or more involved than others. They've had different editing rules and restrictions. Some have even required text. This isn't diluting the value of a ribbon. |
That's not quite the same as limiting which members can enter a challenge. |
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11/16/2004 04:11:01 PM · #96 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Originally posted by mk:
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Ribbons no longer all have equal value. It would be tough to argue against that. This is why I was against any exclusive challenges at first.
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Ribbons never had equal value. Every challenge has had a different number of entrants, especially if you compare challenges now to challenges in the first couple months of the site. Some challenge topics have been more difficult or more involved than others. They've had different editing rules and restrictions. Some have even required text. This isn't diluting the value of a ribbon. |
Sure, but I don't think most people view it that way...
...and your first and last sentences don't really jive, unless I'm missing something. |
By "this," I meant adding new challenges with different entrance requirements. My point was that there has never been an absolute value for ribbons which is just now being affected.
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11/16/2004 04:19:52 PM · #97 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
But I've had a shift in paradigm...I've come to realise that the value of the ribbon should be subjective. As in any series of competitions or fairs or events, you can't put all of your ribbons together and say "I've won 7 ribbons in my life"...it's dumb. What really counts is each individual challenge. Some may have been easy wins...others more difficult. |
TOTALLY well said!
Of course, zero ribbons is still zero ribbons but haven't given up yet!
:o)
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11/16/2004 04:23:08 PM · #98 |
Originally posted by ellamay:
I like the title ' emerging -' masters' or 'photographers' for the invitational challenge category, just an idea |
An "Invitational Challenge" is the new generic term for any challenge which has an eligibility requirement. Those who meet the eligibility requirement (which could be anything), are "invited" to participate. |
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11/16/2004 04:24:45 PM · #99 |
Originally posted by Kavey:
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
But I've had a shift in paradigm...I've come to realise that the value of the ribbon should be subjective. As in any series of competitions or fairs or events, you can't put all of your ribbons together and say "I've won 7 ribbons in my life"...it's dumb. What really counts is each individual challenge. Some may have been easy wins...others more difficult. |
TOTALLY well said!
Of course, zero ribbons is still zero ribbons but haven't given up yet!
:o) |
I'm cheering for you, Kavey, "GO, KAVEY, GO!!! GO, KAVEY, GO!!!" Just don't fall on your face again :) |
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11/16/2004 04:30:08 PM · #100 |
Originally posted by Kavey:
Of course, zero ribbons is still zero ribbons but haven't given up yet!
:o) |
Um... 14 challenges entered since 2002? Don'tcha gotta enter to win? |
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