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11/16/2004 06:39:14 AM · #51 |
It seems to me that the whole idea is more variety. The open challenge, and the members challenge are still as they have been, and I view the invitational challenge as an extra. There is no way I can find the time to set up, shoot, and edit all three in the space of a week, but this way I can pick the one or two that sound most engaging to me. If I do not meet the requirements to enter the invitational, then I still have two others to look at. Not a member? You still have something to strive for; a picture for the open challenge and 25 US dollars for a years membership.
As I said, I welcome the variety, and I think it will allow more people rather than less to engage themselves. As a newby on DPC, and not exactly in the professional photographer catagory, I can tell you it is a bit daunting to find a photo to stack up against the competition on this site. That said, I look forward to meeting some changes, and personally hope that in the near future I am excluded from the "no ribbons" challenges. |
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11/16/2004 07:09:14 AM · #52 |
The only problem I have with the new challenge is the misleading title: "Invitational Challenge (No Ribbon)" since it seems to indicate that no ribbon will be awarded.
I'm all for more challenges, the more the merrier. It's also good to have some way of limiting possible entries. Another way is, of course, to have difficult challenges so not many people will enter, such as the recent "Heroes challenge" with only about 90. A welcome change from 400 to 500+ entries.
I'd like to see more speed challenges; send out an email notification (and forum post) that in (let's say) 3 days will be a 24 hrs speed challenge. Then most people have a chance of seeing what it is and enter if so inclined.
The best idea for a challenge I've come up with is a regular "New Talent Challenge" which would be done every 3-4 months and only people who have become members in the last 3-4 months are eligible (might prod users into becoming members). See this thread
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11/16/2004 07:21:41 AM · #53 |
| Here is a challenge suggestion that could be called "The Elite Master's Challenge" It would allow only those who have an average score of 6.0 or above on 10 or more entries. This would be a way to see some really talented individuals do their thing!! |
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11/16/2004 07:33:06 AM · #54 |
I like the idea of the Invitational Challenge. My only suggestion would be not to announce these special challenges too close to each other. The Masters Challenge was just last week and this one now. I cannot enter either of them and there are many like me. I don't feel excluded but I just think that these challenges shouldn't occur in a row.
I like the idea of these new combinations. It keeps the excitement around here.
edit: usual typos!
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11/16/2004 07:42:03 AM · #55 |
hehe.. i knew this was going to happen. I have one ribbon, so i couldn't enter both masters challenges, nor this one.. i predicted that the next one would be a "no ribbon" contest in one of the masters challenge threads.. so no suprise here..
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11/16/2004 08:03:34 AM · #56 |
Kudos to D&L on implementation of a great idea. I personally like the idea that there will be some challenges that I cannot enter but still can vote on. It gives you a little breathing room - and yes, I know that I can always elect to not enter, and often have done this, but then I usually am not as highly motivated to vote and comment. If I am unable to enter, there is a certain attraction to me like "Hey, what's going on over there?" that piques my interest.
I think the invitationals, given the great collection of suggestions so far, will add yet another exciting dimension to an already excellent site.
Thanks guys!
Dave
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11/16/2004 08:11:38 AM · #57 |
There is one very important thing to keep in mind, and that this is an entertainment website.
As such, we're trying to make this fun and interesting for everyone, as well as provide a varied and non-monotonous user-experience.
We want to challenge the experienced, while creating a nurturing environment for newcomers to learn and grow.
Something for Everybody!
The 'seriousness of the implications' which some people ascribe to minor changes and format experiments on this Entertainment Website is just astounding. One might think that the sky was literally about to hit the ground!
It is especially astounding, when it's factored in that no disruption has ever occurred to the level of service that even the earliest free-users have received. Yes, it's entirely possible to not pay a dime, and still get the same level of service from this site that the first users ever did before the site started to charge. And why, because of the generosity and kindness of it's administrators.
The ONLY thing that has changed is that increased value has been added over the course of the site.
In that light, it's a bit disappointing how much entitlement some people seem to express to having THEIR SPECIFIC wants and needs catered to. They seem to think that EVERY value-added service MUST cater to THEIR needs, and that every change or experiment is a catastrophe. When in reality nothing has really changed at all except possibly the opportunity to bring more fun and interest to the website.
For some reason, I always picture baby birds with their mouths wide open when I read threads like that.
Edit: typo.
Message edited by author 2004-11-16 08:13:40.
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11/16/2004 08:13:14 AM · #58 |
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11/16/2004 08:23:32 AM · #59 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Like TooCool, I also think it gives the impression that SC & admins are bowing to the most vocal of the masses. |
Except that the person who proposed the Master's Challenge couldn't participate. She was looking for a new challenge that would work. That the masses decided they wanted some fun too - isn't that why the site is here? For us?
Originally posted by coolhar:
It started out as what many of us sincerely believed was a bad idea to begin with. And now the fixes are just compounding the original error. |
How is a challenge that highlights certain users a bad thing? People said they wanted a tournament before. People have discussion all the time about the "best of the best" on the site - Karmat, Setz, Kiwi, Heida, Jacko, JJ, David, who's the best of the best! Well, we got a bit of a chance to see that. Now, the challenge highlights people without a ribbon. When the site first started, there were like 24 voters or something but you don't really hear people bitch that Drew and Lang's ribbons are worthless. Now, with 500 entries in some challenges, having one with just 150 or something will be nice.
Originally posted by coolhar:
more hard feelings are generated. |
I don't understand these people at all. By now, there are maybe a few hundred people who can't participate. Within 2 or 3 Invitationals, everyone will have had a chance to join in at least one. Nothing has been lost on the site - it's ALL gain. People with hard feelings are ... well ... nevermind. Just say I don't understand all this griping over getting EXTRA stuff.
Originally posted by coolhar:
There was no dire need demanding to be addressed that started this sequence of events. |
Yes, there is. We are losing great photographers because the masses can't keep up, won't change, and want DPC to always look the way it looked when they came. Well that's not going to happen. Change is inevitable if we want to keep the JJ, Jacko, Heida, Setz, Gordon, and Sidwells of the site. If you can't engage our best photographers, we're going to lose them and this site is going to stagnate when new photographers come and "learn" from .... who?
M
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11/16/2004 09:33:27 AM · #60 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
Nothing has been lost on the site - it's ALL gain. People with hard feelings are ... well ... nevermind. |
People get hard feeling when they express reasoned and sincere objections to changes only to find there opinions answered with dismissive platitudes and irrational logic to ......well.....nevermind. |
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11/16/2004 09:43:01 AM · #61 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by mavrik:
Nothing has been lost on the site - it's ALL gain. People with hard feelings are ... well ... nevermind. |
People get hard feeling when they express reasoned and sincere objections to changes only to find there opinions answered with dismissive platitudes and irrational logic to ......well.....nevermind. |
Reasoned and sincere objections are always worthwhile coolhar. By the same respect the ability to experiment on this site is easy and has minimal impact. If D&L try a concept and it is well received, they can do it again. If they try something and it flops, they won't.
As it has been suggested, the fact that the site owners listen to the user base and try to implement new and fun things, is a good thing. As I see it, the worst thing that can happen with these invitationals is that I might not be able to enter one on occasion. I still get my regular 2 a week - these are just extra fun.
Dave
Message edited by author 2004-11-16 09:43:22.
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11/16/2004 09:45:03 AM · #62 |
| People only 'whinge' when they care about this site. The dismissive and arrogant atmosphere of 'put up with what you're given' is out of place in a community of adults. Everyone has a right to an opinion, even if it dares to criticise the status quo. |
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11/16/2004 09:49:07 AM · #63 |
That's right. Have an opinion. Express it.
But by the same token, other adults can exhort the original aforementioned adults to keep some perspective ;).
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11/16/2004 09:54:19 AM · #64 |
Just for the record, I think these additional chalenges are fun. I was not able to participate in the first two since I have no ribbons, but I didn't feel left out. I am still getting what I expected when I joined. These are just additional challenges that add to the fun. Thanks to the SC for giving us more options, and more challenges. Just wanted to make sure they knew we were appreciative.
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11/16/2004 10:05:05 AM · #65 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
People only 'whinge' when they care about this site. The dismissive and arrogant atmosphere of 'put up with what you're given' is out of place in a community of adults. Everyone has a right to an opinion, even if it dares to criticise the status quo. |
Hear, hear!
Good move from the admins on the name change and the mixing-it-up routine:
Now let's have:
> those who've scored 7 or more
> those who have ten or more 6+ scores
> those with more than a given number of favorite photos (made or received)
> 'Green' ribboners
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11/16/2004 10:30:05 AM · #66 |
| Why couldn't the newest invitational challenge include people that have only won 1 ribbon? I'm in the only group of members on this site that hasn't been able to participate in an extra challenge. I dont mean to whine but everyone else has at least had the opportunity... |
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11/16/2004 10:37:45 AM · #67 |
BigSmiles, because they all agreed that it was best to have challenges BigSmiles couldn't enter. :-)
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11/16/2004 10:54:01 AM · #68 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
People only 'whinge' when they care about this site. The dismissive and arrogant atmosphere of 'put up with what you're given' is out of place in a community of adults. Everyone has a right to an opinion, even if it dares to criticise the status quo. |
Well said.
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11/16/2004 10:54:14 AM · #69 |
Hopefully an "invitational" challenge will come up sometime soon that I can enter.
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11/16/2004 10:57:23 AM · #70 |
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
There is one very important thing to keep in mind, and that this is an entertainment website.
As such, we're trying to make this fun and interesting for everyone, as well as provide a varied and non-monotonous user-experience.
We want to challenge the experienced, while creating a nurturing environment for newcomers to learn and grow.
Something for Everybody!
The 'seriousness of the implications' which some people ascribe to minor changes and format experiments on this Entertainment Website is just astounding. One might think that the sky was literally about to hit the ground!
It is especially astounding, when it's factored in that no disruption has ever occurred to the level of service that even the earliest free-users have received. Yes, it's entirely possible to not pay a dime, and still get the same level of service from this site that the first users ever did before the site started to charge. And why, because of the generosity and kindness of it's administrators.
The ONLY thing that has changed is that increased value has been added over the course of the site.
In that light, it's a bit disappointing how much entitlement some people seem to express to having THEIR SPECIFIC wants and needs catered to. They seem to think that EVERY value-added service MUST cater to THEIR needs, and that every change or experiment is a catastrophe. When in reality nothing has really changed at all except possibly the opportunity to bring more fun and interest to the website.
For some reason, I always picture baby birds with their mouths wide open when I read threads like that.
Edit: typo. |
Hear Hear, Mag!
It makes me sick when I read posts like these. You are given an inch, but you want a mile.
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11/16/2004 11:01:43 AM · #71 |
Nobody seems to have addressed the most important part of all this changing ... I went to bed last night a master and woke up a nothing. I feel violated!
: )
I do like the name change though. The whole masters thing was too funny for me to take seriously. I also had reservations about a non-ribbon winners challenge when it was first brought up, but now that somebody has linked it to the word fun I'm all for it. I don't care what the entry requirements are for any of these extra challenges, or whether I can enter or not, I just wanna take/look at photos and have fun!
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11/16/2004 11:05:19 AM · #72 |
Originally posted by BigSmiles:
Why couldn't the newest invitational challenge include people that have only won 1 ribbon? |
Honestly, I think a challenge for those with only one or two ribbons might yield some of the best photos. These are often the people who are technically adept, but more willing to go out on a limb and do their own thing rather than cater to the masses (ScantyNebula, Smazmo99, JodieCoston, postoakinversion, Imagineer...). |
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11/16/2004 11:07:18 AM · #73 |
Originally posted by bod:
Nobody seems to have addressed the most important part of all this changing ... I went to bed last night a master and woke up a nothing. I feel violated!
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You'll always be my master...hmmmm...doesn't sound quite right. Okay, You'll always be a master in my eyes....and a funny, slightly sarcastic kind of guy. :D |
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11/16/2004 11:14:30 AM · #74 |
*tilts head back, pumps his skinny fists towards the sky and shouts*
I SAY WE PUT THE "ALL" BACK INTO CHALLENGE! WITHOUT IT, WE'RE JUST LEFT WITH "CHENGE"...AND CHENGE IS NEVER GOOD!
*sits back down wipes his snotty nose on his sleeve, mistakenly thinking he's started a revolution*
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11/16/2004 11:19:46 AM · #75 |
Originally posted by bod:
Nobody seems to have addressed the most important part of all this changing ... I went to bed last night a master and woke up a nothing. I feel violated! |
Think yourself lucky. I went to bed a nobody and woke up uninvited as well! :D
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