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Pattern of the Unknown! (   ...I know it DNMC)
Pattern of the Unknown! ( ...I know it DNMC)
kbhatia1967

Photograph Information Photographer's Comments
Challenge: Pattern II (Basic Editing)
Camera: Canon PowerShot S1 IS
Location: India
Date: Dec 24, 2006
Galleries: Emotive, Black and White
Date Uploaded: Dec 26, 2006

I know it does not meet the challenge, and will probably be disqualified.
But I wanted to evoke immediate reaction. This photograoph of a foetus was taken in a local fair, where similar and abnormal foetus were displayed, under the pretext of a magic show! All for a small fee of Rs.5.

Statistics
Place: 249 out of 250
Avg (all users): 3.3776
Avg (commenters): 2.8636
Avg (participants): 2.8143
Avg (non-participants): 3.6905
Views since voting: 1961
Views during voting: 527
Votes: 196
Comments: 57
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AuthorThread
01/08/2007 12:27:01 AM
[Yes, I am the culprit. To all those who are pained to see it.
That was my sole objective, to bring to the notice the harsh realities of life (and death).
Some of the members have called it a jocular title. I do not agree. First of all, I was short of words (in the title) for me to explain what I wanted to explain. Second, I did not want comments like the simple DNMC's. Therefore, I declared in the title itself that it does not meet the challenge.
Regarding the first part of the title, we all are made up of same pattern. This photograph represents someone who was born like us, but remained unknown. At least, with this photograph, I have been able to generate respect for the baby.
I know, it is a disturbing, shocking, offensive, upsetting, immoral, gruesome, intriguing, sad, upsetting, disgusting and sick.
But, I don't agree that I have not shown respect for the baby. Perhaps he would have objected if he had a voice, but now he has his voice, through all of us!]


You know... as a passerby of this 'so-called' side-show attraction, I would have the option of choosing to go in and view this sort of thing or not. With that, if I should choose to go in to see these "festivities," even if I knew nothing of the contents of the display before entering, I would have the choice to balk at such an unimaginable disrespect and disgusting exploitation of a human being.

This "magic show" you shake your finger at is no worse than you are. You have chosen to use this media to illustrate whatever ridiculous point you're trying to make here is, and you have subjected all of us (including the children who frequent this community) to it and your idiocy! Due to the size of the thumbnail, virtually no one could have made out what this picture was without clicking on it WHILE under the impression that it was related to the challenge!

So, what actually IS your point anyway? <ahem> "Don't put stillborn deformed babies in jars and publicly display them!" Alright! But a better chant here is this: Don't FORCE us to view it! If your point was to illustrate how badly that baby was exploited, it was not done so as badly as you exploited it!
01/04/2007 10:00:53 PM
I wonder how many who found this gross, distasteful, shocking and disgusting have no qualms at all supporting women's rights?
As you can likely tell, I wish it had an anti-abortion title.
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01/03/2007 09:20:05 PM
I don't have any ethical objection to the display of this photo. However it really isn't pattern related, and the baby looks pretty fresh. You have to wonder if this was an abortion or a full term baby that died of natural causes, or was 'snuffed' out because of his or her infirmaties. Looks like he is missing arms and legs although many people survive this and are happy to be alive.

You got alot of 1s because of the subject matter no doubt, but I think it's unfair really...I am glad to have seen this baby. Atleast someone got to see him, and acknowledge his brief existence.

Message edited by author 2007-01-04 23:32:18.
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01/03/2007 07:43:40 PM
There are just some things in life that need not be thrust in our faces and frankly feel the shock value in doing this has no place on a site that is doing a photo-competition. This is best suited for certain websites that tailor to strong political and ethical statements.
This is no different than taking a picture of a nasty booger plucked from someone's nose - we've all seen them, just no need to show the world...
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01/03/2007 07:35:28 AM
Props and respect!
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01/03/2007 02:14:16 AM
I do not think this is gross or disgusting or whatever, but using a challenge it doesn't meet is not the way to start this discussion. I also think this stillborn one deserves more respect by a better quality photo.

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01/03/2007 01:54:31 AM
try not to trip over the macabre dead-baby-in-a-bottle while descending from your soap-box...

an incredible, but not enviable, path to a brown

01/03/2007 01:20:23 AM
Yes, I am the culprit. To all those who are pained to see it.
That was my sole objective, to bring to the notice the harsh realities of life (and death).
Some of the members have called it a jocular title. I do not agree. First of all, I was short of words (in the title) for me to explain what I wanted to explain. Second, I did not want comments like the simple DNMC's. Therefore, I declared in the title itself that it does not meet the challenge.
Regarding the first part of the title, we all are made up of same pattern. This photograph represents someone who was born like us, but remained unknown. At least, with this photograph, I have been able to generate respect for the baby.
I know, it is a disturbing, shocking, offensive, upsetting, immoral, gruesome, intriguing, sad, upsetting, disgusting and sick.
But, I don't agree that I have not shown respect for the baby. Perhaps he would have objected if he had a voice, but now he has his voice, through all of us!
 Comments Made During the Challenge
01/02/2007 07:32:32 PM
an upsetting harsh entry and a DNMC IMO
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01/02/2007 07:06:15 PM
Shocking...but I expect that was what you were going for.
01/02/2007 12:16:16 PM
Thanks for participating
01/01/2007 08:34:22 PM
Wow I don't know what to think of this one. I opened it because of the title but whether it's DNMC or not this is powerful and leaves me with so many questions. I'd really like to know more about this photo. Was this some sort of trick photo and its just a reflection or something or is it actually a baby in a jar? If so was it aborted because of deformities or a still born? An undeveloped twin? Just so many questions that I'd like to know more about this babies story. Very powerful. I'm not voting in the challenge this time around so I'm not giving it a score. Just wanted to leave the comment. Please email me after the challenge.
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01/01/2007 12:07:24 PM
never thought i'd say it - but this is deeply offensive - particularly with the jocular title - i'm no religious obsessive (atheist) and i'm pro choice - but entering this picture via an elaborately shoehorning humorous title seems to me to show contempt for the human life involved - please understand that i am not saying that images like this should never be seen - rather that some subjects are too profoundly serious to be dealt with so lightly - perhaps this picture might be retitled as follows - "Desperately said picture of a baby born with terrible physical deformities who did not live very long if at all and was preserved in a jar for the furtherance of medical research and so that someone could enter a snapshot of him or her into a competition where it did not meet the challenge'.
01/01/2007 09:23:03 AM
for non-medical people, this is a very disturbing image. It is hard to understand what message is being conveyed through such imagery.
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01/01/2007 09:04:45 AM
WHY WOULD YOU ENTER THIS!!!!! YOU GOT IT RIGHT DNMC AND DOSE NOT MEET OUR MORAL SENS..
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01/01/2007 05:16:20 AM
If you know it doesn't meet the challenge then why enter it? If you want feedback, to get out a message, start controversy...attention, who knows? Put it in the forum. Or at least put a title that gives some explanation.

This is rediculous.
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12/31/2006 07:25:40 PM
Disturbing image. Getting past that...for me, I wish there was a greater difference in your gray tonal values. The overall image itself seems flat.
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12/31/2006 07:11:29 PM
gruesome.
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12/31/2006 04:44:55 PM
then WHY post it? this disturbs me for more than one reason and i'll be disturbed until i get an explanation on this...
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12/31/2006 01:03:44 PM
You're probably going to upset a few people with this one. You might want to post it in the alt.binaries.pictures.grotesque newsgroup, it's more fitting there.
BTW, is this from the Mutter Museum?
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12/31/2006 06:06:28 AM
a very interesting image indeed. challenging and disturbing. yes, a pattern could certainly be seen here - the very basic pattern of the circles - jar, lid, head, body, ear. but, of course, there is the larger, more evanescent pattern of life and its mysteries - how could such a perfectly formed head not finish the job on the rest of the body.

i can only imagine you're getting some pretty strongly worded comments on this, as people do seem to overeact a bit sometimes to images that are 'edgy'. well done for sticking to your guns and submitting this. i know at least one person has called for it to be withdrawn.

i'd love to see how you would edit this in advanced editing. The basic does leave it a little - grey. i'd love to see some vignetting, gaussian blur on the background, etc etc. but, of course, then it would be mine, not yours... (i did a lot of work in the medical museum during my bfa)

a sad and touching image. i can't wait to see you take it further. and to find out who you are!
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12/30/2006 11:43:34 PM
???!!!
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12/30/2006 10:57:15 PM
...and so, how should I vote?
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12/30/2006 06:15:23 PM
Although, I agree that abortion is wrong, this is more of a political statement. However, i will give you credit for being bold enough to raise the awareness.
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12/30/2006 02:57:43 PM
Clever and intriguing, but if you know it to be DNMC why enter it?
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12/30/2006 09:18:26 AM
Disgusting, to say the least...you'd get a big fat ZERO if there was one to give.
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12/30/2006 06:32:19 AM
this was shocking to come across and it could upset a lot of ppl ...
it upset me ...
i dont feel that you have shown respect for the baby, who may have objected if he had a voice, to his dead body being displayed for all the world to see, ...
  Photographer found comment helpful.
12/30/2006 01:57:14 AM
Weird and sad. In a science museum?
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12/29/2006 08:41:23 PM
I'm not really sure how to comment, either with complete and total disgust or with wonderment, fail to see the pattern!
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12/29/2006 07:53:49 PM
What in the world?
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12/29/2006 07:38:55 PM
So very sad. God bless this wee one.
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12/29/2006 02:02:59 AM
I don't see pattern and this is bad.
12/29/2006 01:38:19 AM
That's creepy and really really sick. I love it. This kind of Out of the Box Thinking is rewarded to infreqently. A 9.
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12/29/2006 12:59:20 AM
Not sure why you would enter this when you admit it DNMC (and I agree).
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12/28/2006 06:39:10 PM
I don't know what pattern I should be recognizing. Disturbing and stimulating, are the best comments I could come up with right now.
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12/28/2006 05:50:35 PM
other than this pic being disturbing, the photogaphy skill is lacking.
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12/28/2006 04:55:57 PM
At least you let everyone know that it prolly has a personal meaning. As for technical aspect....you may want to find a way to avoid the reflection that lines across the fetus's head.
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12/28/2006 09:56:44 AM
Why?
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12/28/2006 03:01:08 AM
FFS...
12/28/2006 12:34:59 AM
THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS...
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12/27/2006 11:28:13 PM
Hmmmm...This is gross...what a pattern too!! You are a genious...wait no you arn't. Why would you enter this except to get attention?
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12/27/2006 07:08:04 PM
I see no "pattern" here however it is an interesting picture. I'm sure you'll receive plenty of angry comments for it.
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12/27/2006 05:13:20 PM
If you knew that this didn't meet the challenge, then maybe it would have been better left out. This could be very distressing for those that have lost a child.
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12/27/2006 02:34:35 PM
This is a bit twisted don't you think? 1
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12/27/2006 01:51:40 PM
Sorry, but I find this to be disgusting! 1
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12/27/2006 01:20:08 PM
You know what...if you had not self-imploded with the comment in parentheses about DNMC) this could have been astounding. If you had gone for this in all earnestness: set up the composition perhaps with a striking centrally placed subject on a black or white background...and emphasised the GENE pattern aspect this may have worked.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
12/27/2006 01:18:33 PM
If you know, why submit it?
It's not only inappropriate but disrespectful to both the living and the dead...
  Photographer found comment helpful.
12/27/2006 09:12:40 AM
I think this image is too gross!! You're definitely right: DNMC
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12/27/2006 08:44:34 AM
This is mesmerizing whether you've met the challenge or not..
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12/27/2006 08:39:51 AM
If you know, then why did you enter it?
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12/27/2006 07:05:23 AM
DNMC - distaste...
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12/27/2006 07:03:58 AM
DNMC ;D

Very nice picture anyway..
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12/27/2006 03:45:47 AM
huh, somewhat disturbing. I'd liker to know how you achieved this. Also, why enter it if it DNMC? Sentimental reasons?
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12/27/2006 03:10:44 AM
What is this?
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12/27/2006 03:05:20 AM
0_0
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12/27/2006 12:52:18 AM
Not only DNMC. but rather gross don't you think?
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12/27/2006 12:38:00 AM
....
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