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05/09/2003 01:03:32 PM · #1 |
How do this site monitor that all challenge rules are followed? eg: spot editing, exposure date..etc
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05/09/2003 01:28:42 PM · #2 |
| It's on an honor system, unless there is an obviously manipulated photo that receives a DQ request, then the admins. might ask for the original file. |
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05/09/2003 01:36:53 PM · #3 |
So no 1 will know when is a submission spot edited or other wise unless it is 'obviously manipulated'??
hmmmmm..... *grinning with and evil sparkle in the eyes* =-D
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05/09/2003 02:14:10 PM · #4 |
| Maybe a random request for EXIF data would be a good deterrent? I've also wondered if the winners of the challenges should perhaps submit their EXIF, that would keep anyone who hopes to win honest. Of course I'm sure no one breaks rules here! : ) |
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05/09/2003 02:16:39 PM · #5 |
We have tossed around the idea in the past of automatically requesting originals from the winners... threads like this one will certainly improve the chances of that happening...
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05/09/2003 02:17:01 PM · #6 |
| No one will know until you WIN and have to submit the original. It's pretty embarrassing to be disqualified for cheating when you have won. |
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05/09/2003 02:18:34 PM · #7 |
I think we should keep the honour system. How easy would it have been to remove the offending element from this shot?
Mind you, how sure could you be that there wasn't a painted-out mass of scaffolding and rotting meat just behind it?
:-0
Ed
edit: not that that shot did so well, but you see the point I'm sure.
Message edited by author 2003-05-09 14:19:19.
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05/09/2003 02:18:49 PM · #8 |
| I'm sure everyone here has hopes of winning when they submit, and the embarrassment of a DQ would indeed be motivation to stay honest, eh? |
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05/09/2003 02:30:18 PM · #9 |
I like this idea of automatically requesting the originals fo the 3 winners!
Because something that bothers me here is that I am pretty sure that some of the pics submitted have not been taken during the current week. Let's think again of this submission for the current challenge 30 minutes after the beginning of the challenge... I also know by experience in another website that many people don't read the rules at all before submitting pics in a challenge. They rush to submit when a theme finally appears for which they have a great picture that fits. So some of them might be cheating not on purpose.
I don't see any reason why we shouldn't apply this rule. It is a great idea.
I also read a while ago another proposition: the exposure date should be left blank by default when submitting the entry. It would make people realize the picture has to be taken during the current week. |
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05/09/2003 02:44:45 PM · #10 |
I much prefer the honor system. Another photo site I visit requires you to upload the original file with your entry. I lost one of my best shots because I rotated the original which disqulalified it for submission as it was then "modified".
I think that winners only should have to submit their original file. That would keep it as honest as it needed to be. |
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05/09/2003 03:14:38 PM · #11 |
| As has been mentioned before here, EXIF data is really easily modified if you know how to do it. It's not any sort of a safeguard. It might serve as something of a deterrant, but ultimately you can't be sure that anything was taken between the submission dates; there will still be doubt. |
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05/09/2003 03:23:38 PM · #12 |
personally, i think that people who are gonna purposefully cheat won't find their way into the top three anyway... :)
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05/09/2003 03:24:16 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
As has been mentioned before here, EXIF data is really easily modified if you know how to do it. It's not any sort of a safeguard. It might serve as something of a deterrant, but ultimately you can't be sure that anything was taken between the submission dates; there will still be doubt. |
True, but to ask for the original will at least prevent people from submitting an old picture they took out from their online gallery and for which they don't have the original anymore.
Plus it allows to check if spot editing for example has been performed.
And to ask for it only to the winners doesn't transform this contest into a very serious thing. It's a good balance I think. |
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05/09/2003 03:31:02 PM · #14 |
I like the honors system myself. I also think that some modification should be allowed, like the offending cord in the above message. If photographers get out of hand with manipulation, voters seem to favor photos that don't look altered.
ON THE OTHER HAND, my photography has improved greatly because I could not manipulate images with spot editing, etc. And I've also learned that too much fiddling with acceptable editing makes a bad image only slightly better.
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05/09/2003 03:32:47 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by christo:
True, but to ask for the original will at least prevent people from submitting an old picture they took out from their online gallery and for which they don't have the original anymore.
Plus it allows to check if spot editing for example has been performed.
And to ask for it only to the winners doesn't transform this contest into a very serious thing. It's a good balance I think. |
No, it doesn't prevent people from using old images, images that aren't theirs, and edited images. EXIF data can be added to any image. It's easy to do if you have the patience to do 10 minutes of research.
Message edited by author 2003-05-09 15:33:31. |
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05/09/2003 03:39:39 PM · #16 |
| I agree with John...the people who will go to those lengths probably won't get into the top 3 anyways, but the fact remains that we're on the honour system whether we like it or not. |
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05/09/2003 11:12:00 PM · #17 |
As a university teacher, I have many of my fellow faculty lamenting that they can't catch all the "cheaters," but I find that when I trust my students, they usually do it right and learn more in the process. I learned long ago that learning is greatly inhibited in an environment of distrust, threats and bribes. This really isn't a classroom, but I still think the same principle exists. If we had Big Brother watching us all the time, many of us would get fed up and go somewhere else.
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05/09/2003 11:44:20 PM · #18 |
Some people who have cheated have already made it into the top three, whether it was "purposeful" or not, we won't always know. However, when cheaters win, they deserve it. How much satisfaction can they possibly get out of it? I'm with others who have said that any EXIF data can be falsified, so why bother? If somebody who cheats gets a better score than me, more power to them, the bottom line is - they know who they are. The ACDSee Photo imaging program does a nice job of editing any EXIF data you want to change, so I'm sure there are ways.
Message edited by author 2003-05-09 23:51:32. |
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05/10/2003 01:15:23 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
personally, i think that people who are gonna purposefully cheat won't find their way into the top three anyway... :) |
I completely agree with this... Cheating won't help you win because if the image isn't good to begin with, subtle edits won't help you at all. And non-subtle edits that may boost your score somewhat will probably be caught and get you DQ'd so why bother? :)
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05/10/2003 02:15:19 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
personally, i think that people who are gonna purposefully cheat won't find their way into the top three anyway... :) |
I have to disagree with that.
What about for example a candid challenge where I had the chance a year ago to photograph a wonderful unusual scene. If I submit this picture, wouldn't it be very unfair towards the others? Some themes require a bit of luck to get a good picture, something you are most likely to have in a lifetime of photogrpahy compared to a week... |
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05/10/2003 05:41:59 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by christo:
... something that bothers me here is that I am pretty sure that some of the pics submitted have not been taken during the current week. Let's think again of this submission for the current challenge 30 minutes after the beginning of the challenge...
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I suspect that this is because of confusion about deadline times from entrants who live in different time zones - although DPC time is clearly displayed at the bottom of the page many people get confused about it anyway. I'm sure you will have noticed that in many challenges there are one or two entries that were clearly intended to be entered in the previous challenge.
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