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12/17/2008 12:09:27 PM · #1 |
What if there was another advantage for paying members?
What if paying members could actually see where their current entry is placed during the voting of challenges?
What would happen is instead of seeing 9999/xxx you would see the actual place of your image from the last time you hit the update button.
But there would have to be an option of turning on/off this feature because some people like to be surprised as to where their photos finish but for people like me it's killing me to know if I am currently leading a challenge or not. But don't forget roll over drop offs... Just because your image is showing 1st position doesn;t me that it would finish 1st because some of the votes might drop off at rollover and you may finish higher or lower than what you saw.
Just something that I personally would like to have.
Message edited by author 2008-12-17 12:10:04.
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12/17/2008 12:26:35 PM · #2 |
Great idea. Could also just be on the front page like the score. You could always give the status in rough percentile if knowing the exact number would lead to voting folks down in a rush to the top or just an increase in whining in gerneral.
Score: 5.3456
Place: 41 - 50%
or (hopefully)
Score: 7.8456
Place: 90 - 100%
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12/17/2008 12:27:13 PM · #3 |
| I think it would be awesome for those in the upper echelons. Not so awesome for those who are just hoping to finish above the 50th percentile. I'd like the option to turn off the moving average, actually. That way with scores off (which is how I generally operate) I'd have no clue how well or poorly a shot is doing, and I'd be a lot less depressed. :) |
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12/17/2008 12:30:05 PM · #4 |
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12/17/2008 12:30:57 PM · #5 |
| Rank is unknown until the rollover script calculates average scores for all entries. Doing that in real time, as votes are still coming in, might slow the site to a crawl. |
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12/17/2008 12:32:25 PM · #6 |
| I think it's likely a bad idea. How tempting would troll voting be if you knew you were sitting in 4th? Plus the surprise of the rollover is always fun. |
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12/17/2008 12:33:31 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
What if paying members could actually see where their current entry is placed during the voting of challenges? |
I would strongly suspect that one valid reason for not offering this would be the fact that this would cause a tremendous hit on database performance. At the rollovers, it takes several minutes to calculate results... so I would imagine that it would be very difficult for this process to be performed many, many times a day to support a feature like this.
Again, just my suspicions, but I would bet it wouldn't be a good move for site performance reasons.
EDIT: Yeah, what  Scalvert said :P
Message edited by author 2008-12-17 12:34:19. |
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12/17/2008 12:43:37 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I think it's likely a bad idea. How tempting would troll voting be if you knew you were sitting in 4th? Plus the surprise of the rollover is always fun. |
Although I hate to think it, Doc is unfortunately right and I wouldn't want to see this implemented for said reasons. |
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12/17/2008 01:03:01 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
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9999 entries? That'll take forever to vote on. |
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12/17/2008 01:44:12 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I think it's likely a bad idea. How tempting would troll voting be if you knew you were sitting in 4th? Plus the surprise of the rollover is always fun. |
Yes, the first thing I thought was that it might goad some people into asking for votes from friends and family. |
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12/17/2008 01:50:41 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I think it's likely a bad idea. How tempting would troll voting be if you knew you were sitting in 4th? Plus the surprise of the rollover is always fun. |
Actually, not tempting at all. But then I've never been in 4th place, so I'm not the one to ask.... |
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12/17/2008 02:21:42 PM · #12 |
| The database issue is probably the strongest argument against, but I have to also agree that it certainly wouldn't help the people already inclined to vote grumpy votes. |
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12/17/2008 02:28:05 PM · #13 |
I'd also have to say that we'd see an increase in self-dq's too. It would also stink being at the bottom end of the voting scale and seeing it everyday that your image is in voting. At least with just a bad score you can turn that off or hope that someone has a crappier score. (Yes I've had a few opportunities to hope for that!)
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12/17/2008 02:29:42 PM · #14 |
Trying to guess your shot's ranking is part of the fun eh ;)
Though how tempting the addition of this feauture might be, I'm with those that say this shouldn't be implemented. |
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12/17/2008 03:25:11 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Rank is unknown until the rollover script calculates average scores for all entries. Doing that in real time, as votes are still coming in, might slow the site to a crawl. |
I imagine that this could be done once an hour with the "non-update button" updates. Folks could live with the score being "updatable" but the rank being hourly. I also guess that most of the rollover time would have to be caused by vote scubber. There are some pretty efficient algorithms to sort ~500 numbers and put them in order. I think the reporting as groupps of 10 percentile suggestion (1-10, 11-20, ..., 91-100) I made earlier addresses the "woe is me" and "disruptive voting" concerns. |
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12/17/2008 03:51:59 PM · #16 |
| You could simply do it everynight at midnight and that way hopefully it would bridge the gap between having an idea where you are and getting over hung-up on your exact position ? |
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12/17/2008 03:54:39 PM · #17 |
| You could do it once a week at midnight... |
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12/17/2008 04:00:57 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
You could do it once a week at midnight... |
Excellent idea! :-) |
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12/17/2008 04:08:39 PM · #19 |
I had an idea I proposed once in a thread similar to this, I think it was about encouraging voting though, I can't remember. Basically to encourage voting, you would need to vote a large percentage, like 80-100% of a challenge and then lock in your votes so that you couldn't change them, you would be able to go back and comment but votes couldn't change. After you do this you would be able to see what percentile/place you were in. My idea was that you could only get this update once per challenge so you would have to choose when you want to know. I hadn't thought about how hard it would be on the database calculations though. I don't know if DPC shuts down at 4 am server time every night still, but maybe we could add a minute or two at that time to get a rough estimate of where you are at. Locking in votes would help stop tampering via the entrants ability to vote.
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12/17/2008 04:14:15 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
You could do it once a week at midnight... |
:-) |
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12/17/2008 04:19:13 PM · #21 |
this kinda defeats the purpose of rollover or the surprise you get from it. Wouldn't you be more happily surprised that you got a blue ribbon during rollover than if you knew it through the entire voting process?
Message edited by author 2008-12-17 16:19:28. |
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12/17/2008 04:23:40 PM · #22 |
Although current ranking might be useful, knowing the last voter's score would be more useful
Message edited by author 2008-12-17 16:24:29.
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12/17/2008 04:34:38 PM · #23 |
| I would like to see a mini bar-graph vote-distribution image in the update field, real-time, along with the average. I like the idea of showing the last vote, too, but wonder about how it would work when an update cycle snagged up more than one vote.... |
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12/17/2008 04:35:31 PM · #24 |
I can hear the complaints already, I was in whatever place before rollover then it dropped to whatever place at rollover, then the I was robbed thread is started and everyone gets all worked up....
Once a week works just fine! |
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12/17/2008 04:54:48 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
You could do it once a week at midnight... |
I'm all for it. :) |
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