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07/28/2015 02:52:55 PM · #301 |
//profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/28/roger-goodell-upholds-tom-bradys-four-game-suspension-2/
Destroying his cell phone will be difficult to explain in federal court. I'm sure he's innocent until proven guilty. |
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07/28/2015 02:55:42 PM · #302 |
| oh good this thread is back. |
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07/28/2015 03:50:38 PM · #303 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Destroying his cell phone will be difficult to explain in federal court. I'm sure he's innocent until proven guilty. |
its pretty easy to explain, even in federal court. i destroyed my old cell phone last year, on purpose. taking with it countless text messages.
why you ask? i upgraded to a new one.
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07/28/2015 03:57:07 PM · #304 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by hahn23:
Destroying his cell phone will be difficult to explain in federal court. I'm sure he's innocent until proven guilty. |
its pretty easy to explain, even in federal court. i destroyed my old cell phone last year, on purpose. taking with it countless text messages.
why you ask? i upgraded to a new one. |
Good point! NFL players routinely and frequently switch out their cell phones. However, you may have missed this fact:
On or shortly before March 6, the day that Tom Brady met with independent investigator Ted Wells and his colleagues, Brady directed that the cell phone he had used for the prior four months be destroyed, the league statement read. He did so even though he was aware that the investigators had requested access to text messages and other electronic information that had been stored on that phone….
Message edited by author 2015-07-28 15:58:15. |
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07/28/2015 04:00:07 PM · #305 |
Only used for four months?!? There are going to be some early-termination fees associated with that. Isn't that punishment enough??? :D
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07/28/2015 06:34:14 PM · #306 |
Ummmmm. The nfl has no right to Bradys phone.
On top of that this will go to federal court where Brady will win because there is zero proof Brady did anything wrong. The nfl has nothing on him even if he did do it. |
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07/28/2015 08:20:00 PM · #307 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Ummmmm. The nfl has no right to Bradys phone.
On top of that this will go to federal court where Brady will win because there is zero proof Brady did anything wrong. The nfl has nothing on him even if he did do it. |
Uhhh. You think the federal court case would be about whether Brady knew about the deflation of the balls? |
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07/28/2015 08:38:14 PM · #308 |
| Why would there be a federal court case? Why would we spend any taxpayer money on this? Seriously?? |
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07/28/2015 09:14:26 PM · #309 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Why would there be a federal court case? Why would we spend any taxpayer money on this? Seriously?? |
No, courts can now be designed to be revenue generators -- let's collect some hefty filing fees (and provide employment for a few para-legals) before dismissing the case as frivolous ... |
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07/29/2015 06:20:51 AM · #310 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by Mike:
Ummmmm. The nfl has no right to Bradys phone.
On top of that this will go to federal court where Brady will win because there is zero proof Brady did anything wrong. The nfl has nothing on him even if he did do it. |
Uhhh. You think the federal court case would be about whether Brady knew about the deflation of the balls? |
what else what it be about? isn't that why the NFL suspended him, because they said he "more likely than not" knew. |
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07/29/2015 11:00:16 AM · #311 |
| It would be about the process and whether it followed the guidelines set forward by the CBA. Brady's innocence or guilt would have nothing to do with it at that point. |
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07/31/2015 04:15:29 PM · #312 |
Nice article in the Washington Post about the flaws in this investigation. The stuff it brings up about the phone is the best I have sen yet. After Brady destroyed his phone, Goodell holds it up to be more proof of his guilt. Before he destroyed it He said it was Immaterial to the investigation, his investigator Ted Wells told Brady he did not need the phone or need to look at it. Wells insisted his investigation was thorough without it. “I don’t think it undermines in any way the conclusions of the report,” he said. Those were his exact words. So were these, after interrogating Brady for more than five hours: “Totally cooperative,” Wells said of Brady’s testimony.
"On Feb. 28, the Wells team sent an e-mail to Brady and his agent, Don Yee, requesting his cellphone records. Not the phone itself, just the records. Yee responded that he wasn’t willing to turn over Brady’s private cell information, on precedent. While it was reasonable for Wells to collect information from work cellphones issued by the Patriots — Wells already had possession of five phones from Patriots employees and examined their communications with Brady — Brady’s private phone information was simply not necessary, Yee said. Wells wasn’t thrilled, but he accepted it."
“They knew and had no quarrel with the non-production of the phone,” Dowd points out.
Now that the phone is gone Goodell holds it up as a pattern of attempting to thwart the investigation.
For those who feel that anyone who would dump their phone before before the 2 year contract was over, let alone shred the thing, is proof of some sort of nefarious activity, you are just not aware of the difference between earning a normal income and earning what a top NFL QB earns (hint it is alot, but not as much as his wife who earned $47 million dollars last year). Early termination fees are not so scary in those conditions. In that world your privacy takes precedence over a $500 charge, because your personal life is the fodder of tabloids and TMZ. When any scrap of your personal life is grist for the mill for the papers, be they sports or celebrity news, you have to act differently than the average person. No one is interested in the texts my wife and I share. the press would pay thousands for the same information from Brady's phone. Anyone who values their privacy, be it a fortune 500 executive, or anyone who has ever been mentioned on the cover of a gossip magazine would be wise to destroy their old cellphone when they get a new one. And most do.
The BS about the phone is typical of how this investigation has been run. First the phone did not matter to the investigation, but when it had been destroyed, it was critical and destroying it was part of a cover-up. Before the investigation, a suspicion was raised, and it was probably true. But every step of the process has been half assed. When the arbitrator is the same guy who began the investigation, then he hired the expert who wrote the report,then he confirmed the results of the report and then he hands down penalties based on that investigation, and then the same person sat in the seat where an impartial judge was supposed to carefully weigh the evidence and decide if that punishment was fair, well the process has been perverted.
This is about due process and adhering to the collective bargaining agreement. Goodell failed to take the steps that were needed to allow that process to take place, so it goes to court. This was the only possible outcome when Goodell did not recuse himself as arbiter after running an amazingly sloppy investigation.
Message edited by author 2015-07-31 16:38:22. |
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07/31/2015 06:11:51 PM · #313 |
One of our local sports radio hosts said it best, there is no way in Hell the NFL or any other business has the right to see my cell phone, giving it up the phone and or records sets a dangerous precedence for future employee rights.
With that being said I still believe Tom B. was aware it was happening and likely told them what he wanted. I also believe Belichick lied when he talked about his not knowing anything about game balls then went into a rant about how he doctors practice balls, someone who likes to doctor practice balls to make them harder to handle to me fully understands it would have some Benefit to control game ball conditions.
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09/03/2015 12:10:41 PM · #314 |
The league did not fare all that well in the latest round huh?
Ray |
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09/03/2015 12:19:10 PM · #315 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
The league did not fare all that well in the latest round huh? |
They got eviscerated :-) |
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09/03/2015 12:26:12 PM · #316 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
The league did not fare all that well in the latest round huh? |
They got eviscerated :-) |
Is that one of them big words you know that means someone got turned into a gelding? :O)
Ray |
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09/03/2015 12:59:24 PM · #317 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
The league did not fare all that well in the latest round huh? |
They got eviscerated :-) |
Is that one of them big words you know that means someone got turned into a gelding? :O)
Ray |
It doesn't mean that -- it is a synonym for "disemboweled" ... |
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09/03/2015 01:09:12 PM · #318 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
The league did not fare all that well in the latest round huh? |
They got eviscerated :-) |
Is that one of them big words you know that means someone got turned into a gelding? :O)
Ray |
It doesn't mean that -- it is a synonym for "disemboweled" ... |
Do they make some kind of smiley face for sarcasm?
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09/03/2015 01:17:01 PM · #319 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Do they make some kind of smiley face for sarcasm?
Ray |
only in Canada |
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09/03/2015 01:18:13 PM · #320 |
| Sorry, I just use "fake tags" () around the text when I want to make my sarcasm more obvious, though the "winking smiley" { ;-) } at the end of the statement would probably work too ... |
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09/03/2015 06:15:04 PM · #321 |
I am eagerly waiting the comments of the "Brady is a cheat" bashers as I recall that many made rather derisive comments to those of us who suggested that the rule of law had been overlooked in this matter.
Funny how a Judge could find that what some were advocating was indeed an issue of consideration.
I guess once this matter is appealed to the Supreme Court we can finally get closure on this matter.
Ray |
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09/03/2015 06:56:59 PM · #322 |
| The air was certainly let out of the commissioners case |
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09/03/2015 08:26:29 PM · #323 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
I am eagerly waiting the comments of the "Brady is a cheat" bashers as I recall that many made rather derisive comments to those of us who suggested that the rule of law had been overlooked in this matter. |
Law? The judge basically said "you didn't tell him ahead of time that you could punish him for lying, so you can't." He said nothing about whether or not Brady actually cheated or lied about it.
Oliver North couldn't be successfully prosecuted either, even though it's patently obvious he did the crime ... |
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09/04/2015 12:26:02 AM · #324 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
I am eagerly waiting the comments of the "Brady is a cheat" bashers as I recall that many made rather derisive comments to those of us who suggested that the rule of law had been overlooked in this matter.
Funny how a Judge could find that what some were advocating was indeed an issue of consideration.
I guess once this matter is appealed to the Supreme Court we can finally get closure on this matter.
Ray |
The judge punished the NFL for not compromising. Rule of Law- give me a break. What a waste of judicial resources. |
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09/04/2015 02:17:59 AM · #325 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
I am eagerly waiting the comments of the "Brady is a cheat" bashers as I recall that many made rather derisive comments to those of us who suggested that the rule of law had been overlooked in this matter.
Funny how a Judge could find that what some were advocating was indeed an issue of consideration.
I guess once this matter is appealed to the Supreme Court we can finally get closure on this matter.
Ray |
The judge punished the NFL for not compromising. Rule of Law- give me a break. What a waste of judicial resources. |
The presiding judge did mention the following: "Brady was denied the opportunity to examine and challenge materials that may have led to his suspension and which likely facilitated Paul, Weiss attorneys' cross-examination of him."
Is it a waste of judicial resources... I guess it depends on one's perspective. Whenever a decision is rendered that resolves contentious issues and grants people a fair and impartial decision then I think not.
Ray |
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