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 07/17/2009 10:46:52 PM · #1
I like the 1-10 system, because at the end of the day, it balances out equally for everyone. The one thing I think should be changed is the ability to speed vote using the alt command. I think this is an issue because often times people breeze through the photos without giving them much thought or even looking at the title. I realize people may not vote as much if they are forced to spend an extra 3 seconds on each photo. Truthfully, I would much rather have a 100 votes and have voters take a moment to absorb the image and title, then I would have 200 votes from people who breezed through it.
 07/17/2009 10:14:43 PM · #2
Personally I think the possible choices should reflect the lotto numbers of a randomly selected state per entry. Also randomly the votes for an entry should be reversed. Why should only the popular entries hit the front page? If voters didn't know if they were voting up or down an entry I think they would be much more careful about using the extremes!
07/17/2009 04:52:15 PM · #3
Originally posted by slickchik:
I laughed really hard into the bag and ended up with pirate booty crumbs all in my hair and stuck to my sweaty face... hahahahahaha

Hey, I still need a Portrait entry -- wanna hold that pose? ;-)
 07/17/2009 04:50:52 PM · #4
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Truth is, if you want your votes to make more of a difference. That is, if you want the pictures you like to have a better chance of coming out on top and the ones you don't like to be at the bottom, you will use the whole 1-10 scale. People compress their votes between like 4 and 8 but that just diminishes the impact of their voting.

I tried an experiment in the recent Automobile Ads challenge. Instead of voting on how good I felt the entry was, I voted based on how much it personally appealed to me. My individual votes were different than they would have been otherwise, but the interesting thing was that generally, they still fell along the same path of high to low as the overall placement.
 07/17/2009 04:35:54 PM · #5
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
we all hate the 1 button and it really should only be used for utter carp

What?? I love the 1 button. And I can tell you that I use it on more than fish photos.


I was eating Sour Cream and Onion Pirate Booty from Trader Joe's... trying to get the crumbs in the bottom of the bag and when I read this, I laughed really hard into the bag and ended up with pirate booty crumbs all in my hair and stuck to my sweaty face... hahahahahaha
 07/17/2009 04:26:46 PM · #6
Truth is, if you want your votes to make more of a difference. That is, if you want the pictures you like to have a better chance of coming out on top and the ones you don't like to be at the bottom, you will use the whole 1-10 scale. People compress their votes between like 4 and 8 but that just diminishes the impact of their voting.

That said, I'm still pretty conditioned to not use 1-3 a lot.

Message edited by author 2009-07-17 16:26:56.
 07/17/2009 03:16:54 PM · #7
Originally posted by DJWoodward:
Reserve your right to use it for the day that something does deserve it. I very seldom use 1 or 10 but I like having them on the scale when I need them. There's always going to be a lowest score isn't there? I also have no problem if someone else uses them freely; it's their prerogative.

I do. And have given a 1 upon very rare occasion. Even if I rarely need it, it is still part of the scale.
 07/17/2009 02:57:40 PM · #8
Not sure why it really matters, our scores are all relative and are only there to rank the photos. If all you saw was the ranking then who would care what the end average was?

On a side note our local club uses a 1-9 voting scale and judges normally only use the 7-9 when judging, I had to laugh when a local photographer came to the meeting to give a presentation and they asked him to critique and judge the photo competition, he was told the scale was 1-9. He then started judging the first photo and gave some very good sound critiques then gave it a score of 3, there was a collective gasp because no one had ever been given a score that low before. But I was laughing inside (mainly because it was not mine) because at DPC we tend to use more of the scale.

Moral of the story, if the numbers are there why would we not want to be honest with the votes, are we putting our photos online to make ourselves feel good or to get good honest feedback? There will always be an average so who cares what that average number is, if the average was seven people would complain someone gave a 6. Just relax and enjoy the site for what it is and remember if you have time to complain about the little things in life then maybe you should be out shooting instead.
 07/17/2009 02:14:10 PM · #9
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Because on a 1-10 scale, a one is so bad, that I just don't see much on this site that I consider that poor. To me, a 1 means could not get any worse. Your own criteria may be different, but that is how I view it. I do give a modest amount of 3's and an occasional 2.


Reserve your right to use it for the day that something does deserve it. I very seldom use 1 or 10 but I like having them on the scale when I need them. There's always going to be a lowest score isn't there? I also have no problem if someone else uses them freely; it's their prerogative.
 07/17/2009 01:40:03 PM · #10
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by JustinM:
It's on the scale so why in the world wouldn't you use it? I've always been very confused when people talk about not liking/using the 1.

Because on a 1-10 scale, a one is so bad, that I just don't see much on this site that I consider that poor. To me, a 1 means could not get any worse. Your own criteria may be different, but that is how I view it. I do give a modest amount of 3's and an occasional 2.


Agreed. 1 is the bottom of the scale--can't get any worse. No matter how bad the photo is, I've probably seen worse.
 07/17/2009 01:25:40 PM · #11
Let's add a 0.
 07/17/2009 01:03:50 PM · #12
Originally posted by JustinM:
It's on the scale so why in the world wouldn't you use it? I've always been very confused when people talk about not liking/using the 1.

Because on a 1-10 scale, a one is so bad, that I just don't see much on this site that I consider that poor. To me, a 1 means could not get any worse. Your own criteria may be different, but that is how I view it. I do give a modest amount of 3's and an occasional 2.
 07/17/2009 12:35:46 PM · #13
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
we all hate the 1 button and it really should only be used for utter carp

What?? I love the 1 button. And I can tell you that I use it on more than fish photos.


we all hate it? huh? I'm with art I love the 1 button.... just as much as any of the others at least. It's on the scale so why in the world wouldn't you use it? I've always been very confused when people talk about not liking/using the 1.
 07/17/2009 12:08:57 PM · #14
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by crayon:
i personally think we are spoilt for choices.
there should only be 3 buttons in voting:
[LOVE IT] ... [SO-SO] ... [HATE IT]

I like this!

"Like" is not a choice. :^P
 07/17/2009 12:00:45 PM · #15
in the past, I have found it interesting that the DPC tutorials are rated on a 1-3 scale, when all the photos are rated on a 1-10 scale. I have wondered what the site would be if it rated photos on a 1-3 scale.
 07/17/2009 10:57:23 AM · #16
Originally posted by crayon:
i personally think we are spoilt for choices.
there should only be 3 buttons in voting:
[LOVE IT] ... [SO-SO] ... [HATE IT]

I like this!
 07/17/2009 10:48:20 AM · #17
Originally posted by CEJ:


Are these 'utter' carp or regular carp?


Neither. They are Fancy Carp!
 07/17/2009 10:33:12 AM · #18


Are these 'utter' carp or regular carp?

Message edited by author 2009-07-17 10:34:05.
 07/17/2009 01:08:57 AM · #19
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
we all hate the 1 button and it really should only be used for utter carp

What?? I love the 1 button. And I can tell you that I use it on more than fish photos.


OK, so I'm a day or so behind, but this is this is hilarious!!! Thanks for the laugh Ken. BTW, I read it as crap.
 07/16/2009 02:15:46 AM · #20
i personally think we are spoilt for choices.
there should only be 3 buttons in voting:
[LOVE IT] ... [SO-SO] ... [HATE IT]

Message edited by author 2009-07-16 02:16:32.
 07/16/2009 12:55:20 AM · #21
Originally posted by zxaar:
just add an edit button where voter can add vote in fraction, for example : 5.0729839283
(this is addition to 1->10 we already have)

This will give more graded voting.


Or just new variations on the same. AND it will be harder to discard votes from real trolls.

To be honest, the system works. I don't like getting a vote of one but its a fact of life. Not everyone is going to like my images. The average score of 5.5 is an average across multiple voters. An average image, on a scale of 1 to 10 is a 5. All a site average of 5.5 says to me is that the general quality of images on this site is above average.

In my opinion, so long as we get rid of the trolls votes and to be honest the votes of those who vote nothing but 10's, let people vote the way they want. Overall the results are accurate enough. In the end a score is just a number. If it makes any one feel any better we could multiple all scores by a thousand and divide by 50. Then we'll all have nice big numbers.

:)
 07/16/2009 12:48:06 AM · #22
First off, LoL @ Art's posts in this thread, you guys should go back and read them,

Second, if we shift the voting scale in whatever way, the 'average' score will also shift, and then we will have to shift the scale again in order to accommodate for that shift, or keep on splitting the voting increments into infinity and that will not work out.

Last, the voting 'system' is arbitrary and has evolved into its own beast that you come to know after spending time on this site. I'm often surprised by placement, sure, but it's also crazy how I can tell why an image was a 6.1 instead of a 6.2, and my favorite area is actually in the 5.8 range for non-free studies, you can find some real gems in there.
 07/16/2009 12:16:03 AM · #23
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
Its late here so will post this and run to bed and whilst I'm sure idea has been flogged to death before I thought I'd see what peeps think today.

First off, the current voting system basically works else none of us would be here but one thing does bug me a little and thats the fact that the average score in challenges is usually around 5.5 and we don't have a 5.5 button so I'm pretty sure that many of the (let me say) average images can suffer when its not quite good enough for a 6 so an average image would score a 5 which is actually below the average vote (I think that makes sense?)

Now, I wouldn't expect the voting system to be rewritten to add a 5.5 button (I'm a realist) however, we all hate the 1 button and it really should only be used for utter carp so why not remove the ability to vote a 1 and let a 2 vote become the new 1 leaving 9 possible votes to cast so an average shot would receive a 5 (the median vote). And, whilst we are here I'd also be happy to remove the 10 rather than 1 as in my little world I probably use it less than the 1 button and I might use that once in every 250 votes or so.

My average vote given is 5.3800 and I am trying to improve that and voting with 9 choices I may well give a 5 to an image that is (to me) slightly below average which today I'd vote a 4 etc etc.

I'm off to bed so feel free to discuss :)


just add an edit button where voter can add vote in fraction, for example : 5.0729839283
(this is addition to 1->10 we already have)

This will give more graded voting.
07/15/2009 11:39:39 PM · #24
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Tough shit.

That will definitely score below average ... :-(
07/15/2009 10:33:58 PM · #25
My life story if 5.5, or 5.2 or 5.3...I just hate 5's because of this site ! lol
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