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03/17/2009 01:40:20 PM · #76 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by HighNooner:
Originally posted by Citadel:
Originally posted by Melethia:
I appreciate everyone's desire to add more votes and comments, but I'm ready to see who submitted what and read the stories behind the photos! |
I agree...but I also at least want to LOOK at all the entries. Sure I could always go back afterwards but I don't feel I would be doing them justice by either quickly scanning through them or "cherry picking" images after the challenge is over. So um..I said yes. |
"cherry picking" "cherry picking"
If we had much smaller thumbnails no one would be able to practice "cherry picking" and would have to view all photos and maybe vote on them. |
Ah yes that dreaded cherry picking practice. I'm still waiting to see some shred of evidence that suggest cherry picking is somehow bad let alone ANY different than voting randomly. If everyone practiced cherry picking the images picked would be as diverse and varied as what you'd find in a random distribution. Last I checked we are not clones. We wouldn't all pick the same images. |
That is were I think you are not totally correct. Some thumbnails are nicer than others, and that does not necessarily make the case for the actual image, so people choose to view what the think is a better image. That is what I meant. |
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03/17/2009 01:41:49 PM · #77 |
| Let's not get distracted by the thumbnail/cherry-picking issue ... there are plenty of threads if you want to carry on that discussion. |
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03/17/2009 01:41:51 PM · #78 |
Originally posted by HighNooner:
Votes: 498
Views: 699
Avg Vote: 6.9498
Comments: 86
Favorites: 8
Wish Lists: 1
Updated: 03/17/09 01:16 pm
Notice the similarity between the the number of votes and the last three digits of the score! I say extend extend extend |
Hidden Gem -- 1,000th Challenge!
Votes: 499
Views: 701
Avg Vote: 6.9499
Comments: 87
Favorites: 8
Wish Lists: 1
Updated: 03/17/09 01:40 pm
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03/17/2009 01:42:43 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Let's not get distracted by the thumbnail/cherry-picking issue ... there are plenty of threads if you want to carry on that discussion. |
I do not . Subject closed for me. |
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03/17/2009 01:45:38 PM · #80 |
On my photo the pace of voting and commenting has slowed to a trickle over the last 36 hours. 6/10th of one percent of the DPC community have voted on my photo. Maybe those who are still voting are simply exhausted. Or maybe pretty much everyone who wanted to vote, has. Maybe the remaining 99.4% are so engaged by love, life and work so as to be unable to vote. I don't know.
Although I voted no on the poll, I don't feel strongly about it ... but I doubt it will make much difference to the number of votes cast, the average vote received, or number or quality of comments offered. @SC: Thy will be done.
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03/17/2009 01:47:38 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by HighNooner:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by HighNooner:
Originally posted by Citadel:
Originally posted by Melethia:
I appreciate everyone's desire to add more votes and comments, but I'm ready to see who submitted what and read the stories behind the photos! |
I agree...but I also at least want to LOOK at all the entries. Sure I could always go back afterwards but I don't feel I would be doing them justice by either quickly scanning through them or "cherry picking" images after the challenge is over. So um..I said yes. |
"cherry picking" "cherry picking"
If we had much smaller thumbnails no one would be able to practice "cherry picking" and would have to view all photos and maybe vote on them. |
Ah yes that dreaded cherry picking practice. I'm still waiting to see some shred of evidence that suggest cherry picking is somehow bad let alone ANY different than voting randomly. If everyone practiced cherry picking the images picked would be as diverse and varied as what you'd find in a random distribution. Last I checked we are not clones. We wouldn't all pick the same images. |
That is were I think you are not totally correct. Some thumbnails are nicer than others, and that does not necessarily make the case for the actual image, so people choose to view what the think is a better image. That is what I meant. |
The point is not everyone cherry picks the prettier thumbnails. I certainly don't at least not what you would think as pretty. I cherry pick based on the content, content that usually never sees the light of day on the front page after the challenge is over. |
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03/17/2009 01:48:48 PM · #82 |
Well, I'm all in favor of ending things on schedule. I think it's fantastic all this energy was generated in 7 days. Now I want to see who's what.
On a more personal (and decidedly tongue-in-cheek note) I can't wait to get this one out of the update queue, because it's a bitter disappointment to me:
Votes: 490
Views: 651
Avg Vote: 6.1204
Comments: 73
Favorites: 4
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 03/17/09 01:20 pm
A weak weak WEAK 6.1, ONLY 73 comments, a PITIABLE 4 favorites; I look at some of the posted scores and I feel like the red-headed stepchild, geeze... *POOR* me!
(Remember, I am kidding!
R.
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03/17/2009 01:53:56 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by Dr.Confuser:
On my photo the pace of voting and commenting has slowed to a trickle over the last 36 hours. 6/10th of one percent of the DPC community have voted on my photo. Maybe those who are still voting are simply exhausted. Or maybe pretty much everyone who wanted to vote, has. Maybe the remaining 99.4% are so engaged by love, life and work so as to be unable to vote. I don't know.
Although I voted no on the poll, I don't feel strongly about it ... but I doubt it will make much difference to the number of votes cast, the average vote received, or number or quality of comments offered. @SC: Thy will be done. |
Interestingly, look at the stats:
Submissions: 1,113
Votes Cast: 551,009
Comments Made: 63,382
Participants: 1,392 (submitters, voters, commenters)
Disqualifications: 17
Only 280 more have participated in the voting/commenting process than actually entered the challenge. To my mind, this gives a possibly quite accurate picture of just how many reasonably active DPC members there are. Presuming that nearly all who entered have also voted/commented to some degree, then there are about 300 "other" active members out of the MUCH larger number of registered users of the site...
R.
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03/17/2009 01:57:24 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Only 280 more have participated in the voting/commenting process than actually entered the challenge. To my mind, this gives a possibly quite accurate picture of just how many reasonably active DPC members there are. Presuming that nearly all who entered have also voted/commented to some degree, then there are about 300 "other" active members out of the MUCH larger number of registered users of the site...
R. |
That's a really interesting observation, actually. |
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03/17/2009 02:02:11 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by smudgeSMJ:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Only 280 more have participated in the voting/commenting process than actually entered the challenge. To my mind, this gives a possibly quite accurate picture of just how many reasonably active DPC members there are. Presuming that nearly all who entered have also voted/commented to some degree, then there are about 300 "other" active members out of the MUCH larger number of registered users of the site...
R. |
That's a really interesting observation, actually. |
During my time on this website, those are the only types of observations  Bear_Music makes; interesting ones. |
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03/17/2009 02:05:56 PM · #86 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by HighNooner:
Originally posted by Citadel:
Originally posted by Melethia:
I appreciate everyone's desire to add more votes and comments, but I'm ready to see who submitted what and read the stories behind the photos! |
I agree...but I also at least want to LOOK at all the entries. Sure I could always go back afterwards but I don't feel I would be doing them justice by either quickly scanning through them or "cherry picking" images after the challenge is over. So um..I said yes. |
"cherry picking" "cherry picking"
If we had much smaller thumbnails no one would be able to practice "cherry picking" and would have to view all photos and maybe vote on them. |
Ah yes that dreaded cherry picking practice. I'm still waiting to see some shred of evidence that suggest cherry picking is somehow bad let alone ANY different than voting randomly. If everyone practiced cherry picking the images picked would be as diverse and varied as what you'd find in a random distribution. Last I checked we are not clones. We wouldn't all pick the same images. |
If one is willing to call their practice "Chery-picking" then they must feel it has an effect on the score given. This is just an observation from the definition of "Chery-pick" which is (and #2 really can apply):
Function: verb
Date: 1965
intransitive verb: to select the best or most desirable
transitive verb: to select as being the best or most desirable ; also : to select the best or most desirable from
Comparing Chery-Picking and Random voting as two different models of voting with two different outcomes. If you are Chery-Picking (selecting the best or most desirable images) then your average score given will be higher than if you voted randomly. Fair to say?
Message edited by author 2009-03-17 14:06:18. |
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03/17/2009 02:09:52 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by SDW:
... If you are Chery-Picking (selecting the best or most desirable images) then your average score given will be higher than if you voted randomly. Fair to say? |
Not if the "cherry" you picked was sour. Thumbnails sometimes don't tell the truth! :-) |
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03/17/2009 02:11:27 PM · #88 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by SDW:
... If you are Chery-Picking (selecting the best or most desirable images) then your average score given will be higher than if you voted randomly. Fair to say? |
Not if the "cherry" you picked was sour. Thumbnails sometimes don't tell the truth! :-) |
emphasizing 'sometimes'... :) |
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03/17/2009 02:29:58 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by SDW:
If one is willing to call their practice "Chery-picking" then they must feel it has an effect on the score given. This is just an observation from the definition of "Chery-pick" which is (and #2 really can apply):
Function: verb
Date: 1965
intransitive verb: to select the best or most desirable
transitive verb: to select as being the best or most desirable ; also : to select the best or most desirable from |
I didn't call it a practice. Highnooner did. I just picked up on it. As for the definition, I cherry pick the ones that catch my eye typically due to the content I see in the thumbnail. That's pretty much it.
Originally posted by SDW:
Comparing Chery-Picking and Random voting as two different models of voting with two different outcomes. |
Two different models yes, but I contend that in the grand scheme of things if everyone voted by cherry picking the results would be indistinguishable from random voting. In other words, two models with the same results.
Originally posted by SDW:
If you are Chery-Picking (selecting the best or most desirable images) then your average score given will be higher than if you voted randomly. Fair to say? |
I'm not cherry picking based on the best images I see at the thumbnail level. I cherry pick based on content, the value of which along with the technicals, aesthetics, etc will be evaluated upon viewing the full size image. Perhaps, it would be easier to understand if I said, I just pick out all of the cat photos and vote on them. My average vote cast on those images wouldn't change whether I cherry picked them or came across them randomly. Does that make sense?
Message edited by author 2009-03-17 14:31:24. |
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03/17/2009 02:46:02 PM · #90 |
| Ah, but you'll miss all of mine. My thumbs generally suck. I'm wondering if that's indicative of anything... :-) |
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03/17/2009 02:46:59 PM · #91 |
| This website has such a fantastic way of turning threads into horrifically amusing side-tracks! |
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03/17/2009 02:48:31 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
This website has such a fantastic way of turning threads into horrifically amusing side-tracks! |
But, but.... that's what makes it so fun! So should I do my taxes this evening? I'm thinking if I have any money coming back I may have to consider a new camera.... I don't NEED one. Not even sure I want one. But feel I should do my part to support the economy, you know? |
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03/17/2009 02:50:52 PM · #93 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
This website has such a fantastic way of turning threads into horrifically amusing side-tracks! |
But, but.... that's what makes it so fun! So should I do my taxes this evening? I'm thinking if I have any money coming back I may have to consider a new camera.... I don't NEED one. Not even sure I want one. But feel I should do my part to support the economy, you know? |
I hear what you're saying. I too, once had a desire to travel the world in a 300 foot yacht, but alas, my father's will did not allow for such a thing to happen, as he left his yacht to some crazy homeless person in Saskatchewan. |
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03/17/2009 02:52:51 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
I'm thinking if I have any money coming back I may have to consider a new camera.... I don't NEED one. Not even sure I want one. But feel I should do my part to support the economy, you know? |
Yes, that ratty old 30D is no good. Get a 50D and throw that nasty old 30 my way. |
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03/17/2009 02:55:12 PM · #95 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Let's not get distracted by the thumbnail/cherry-picking issue ... there are plenty of threads if you want to carry on that discussion. |
Seconded. |
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03/17/2009 02:57:32 PM · #96 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Ah, but you'll miss all of mine. My thumbs generally suck. I'm wondering if that's indicative of anything... :-) |
LOL. Well, ummm, hmmm... that's a mystery! I guess I'm just not into pigeons. :P
Seriously, I haven't been voting much lately so you're in the same boat as everyone else. This might be the first challenge I have voted on this year and I'm still not done yet. Speaking of which, I probably say I've only cherry picked about a handful out of the 500 or so I've voted on so far. Basically, I start out by picking one and then start voting on the ones that come after it. Once that gets old I go back to the thumbnail screen and pick another and start from there. You could say, I'm a random voter who lets the images that load dictate how long I remain a random voter. :P |
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03/17/2009 03:02:54 PM · #97 |
Originally posted by yanko:
I'm not cherry picking based on the best images I see at the thumbnail level. I cherry pick based on content, the value of which along with the technicals, aesthetics, etc will be evaluated upon viewing the full size image. Perhaps, it would be easier to understand if I said, I just pick out all of the cat photos and vote on them. My average vote cast on those images wouldn't change whether I cherry picked them or came across them randomly. Does that make sense? |
Not really but lets say it does for a moment which would lead me to ask the question, why pick from thumbnails instead of voting random?
ETA: The questions I am asking is not directed at you personally yanko, the are more directed to anyone that cherry-picks. So please don't think I singling you out, that's not my intent. I'm trying to find out why cherry-picking seems to be a common way of voting as of late.
Message edited by author 2009-03-17 15:12:44. |
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03/17/2009 03:10:17 PM · #98 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by Melethia:
Ah, but you'll miss all of mine. My thumbs generally suck. I'm wondering if that's indicative of anything... :-) |
LOL. Well, ummm, hmmm... that's a mystery! I guess I'm just not into pigeons. :P |
Hey, now... I'm not simply a one-bird act, you know. These weren't even taken by me!
 
(And in fact, other people do pigeons for me better than I do them for myself!)
As for the current poll - I'm ready for rollover. Well, I want to let a couple of folks finish up on their Whole Enchilada, but I think they've got it covered!
Message edited by author 2009-03-17 15:11:47. |
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03/17/2009 03:16:44 PM · #99 |
I voted yes. With this many entries, can we (the voters) really do them all justice? Over and over, in other forums, I hear people say they are getting burned out trying to vote on so many. This is a once in a lifetime challenge. I think it deserves to go a bit longer. Is it stealing attention from the other challenges? Right now it is, because we are trying to cram everything into one week. Langdon will know when the voting dies down, and then we can declare an end point.
Just my 4 cents worth... (inflation and all that...) |
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03/17/2009 03:33:24 PM · #100 |
Originally posted by SDW:
... I'm trying to find out why cherry-picking seems to be a common way of voting as of late. |
Sounds like a bit of speculating here Scott. No real way to prove/disprove this theory. This came up for discussion recently...here's a thread for it (with internal links to more): Thumbnails, View to Vote ratio, etc... |
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