Camera specific challenge(s) - DPChallenge Forums

02/12/2009 06:52:52 PM · #26

Originally posted by yospiff:

Originally posted by Prash:
Ohh. ok. I meant to say I was looking at how to eliminate that comparison. The whole idea being eliminating bias, if any, due to equipment differences.

Sorry it was misleading

Do you feel totally beat up on now?

Nopes.

Its still all fun.

Its good to see how others look at the same thing.

In the famous words: "I will listen to you.. especially when we disagree" ;-)

Message edited by author 2009-02-12 18:54:12.

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

02/12/2009 06:53:48 PM · #27

Why not? Now thats a cool idea! So at least something came out of this goof (sorry bassbone.. eheheh).

I actually like it.

Beetle also suggested something similar a while ago in this thread.

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

If you want to come up with these kinds of challenges, you need to lay out all the variables and pick which ones to go on.

You could have a 50mm challenge where every entry has to be taken with a 50mm lens (or a lens of equivalent focal length), for example.

Originally posted by Prash:
Ohh. ok. I meant to say I was looking at how to eliminate that comparison. The whole idea being eliminating bias, if any, due to equipment differences.

Sorry it was misleading.

Originally posted by Spazmo99:
You posted the bolded comment below...

Originally posted by Prash:
I dont think you got it right.

The whole point is about NOT comparing different cameras... to minimise that difference.

Originally posted by Spazmo99:
If you want to compare cameras, there are plenty of measurebator sites out there that do exactly that.

Originally posted by Prash:
I am not referring to 'why' people with better equipment 'normally' get better pictures, technically.

I am talking about comparing equipment to equipment. Then let it be that one person with a cheaper camera blows the rest away in his/her camera category, great!

Again, its about latting apples play with apples:-)

Its a controversial concept, so let it be that way. But it needed to be out there, so it did:-)

DigiFotoBuddy

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

02/12/2009 07:20:50 PM · #28

When reading this thread, age old quetion came to my mind. - Is it the camera or the photographer takes a picture?

02/12/2009 07:34:53 PM · #29

Originally posted by DigiFotoBuddy:

When reading this thread, age old quetion came to my mind. - Is it the camera or the photographer takes a picture?

May I dare answer? :-)

The photographer plans, dreams, sweats, sets. (Actor)
The camera captures all this at an instant of time. (Means)

Without a photographer, def. no picture (generally and widely speaking).
Without a camera, perhaps a picture.. in the photog's memory.

Most of the aesthetic part of the quality will still come from the photographer, so equipment probably wont matter there.
But the technical quality of the end result will depend on quality of both the actor and the means.

Or else people wont be upgrading their equipment every chance they get.

Message edited by author 2009-02-12 19:37:07.

pixelpig

Sony Alpha a55

Sony DT 1.8/50mm SAM

02/12/2009 08:04:39 PM · #30

This would be fun if it was iPhone cameras only.

[eta] a camera can be set to take photos w/no human photographer present. Think of IR-beams nature photographers use. Think of surveillance. etc. Cameras at intersections. and so on.

We buy new equipment because we can, IMO.

Message edited by author 2009-02-12 20:13:36.

kaiser_chief

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5D

02/12/2009 09:56:33 PM · #31

IreneM's
-Etc

As others have already said, at 720px, there is really not that much difference. People upgrade because they can, and because this is not the only place they take photos for.......

Instead of suggesting such measures, I suggest working on the above will have more chance of improving your scores (and making you a better photographer), rather than suggesting the reason

Judi gets good scores is because of her better camera/Lens, rather than her talent.........

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

02/12/2009 10:59:05 PM · #32

Originally posted by Prash:

ETA: Closing note: Wonder why people keep upgrading if its not the camera;-) lol

Because the better we get, the more we reach the limitations of our equipment and the stronger is our desire to transcend those limitations. But the thing is, MANY of those limitations (if not *most* of them, even) have to do with real-world performance, not web display issues. That is to say, you can see a measurable difference in image quality between a 5D and a 20D in a 16x20 print, but the same's not true in a 720 pixel image. There are also such issues as FPS limitations, for those who shoot action, more metering points, for those who know how to use them, and so forth.

In the end, it's always the photographer, not the camera. There's very little point in giving a beginning photographer a high-end camera, because s/he simply won't know how to get the performance out of it. It is actually EASIER to take a good picture with a decent P&S than it is with a high-end dSLR. Much less thinking about technicals involved; that's why they call them "point'n'shoots" after all. And the good ones have VERY decent image quality these days...

R.

Message edited by author 2009-02-12 22:59:13.

MelonMusketeer

Nikon D7000

Nikon MF 50mm f/1.4

02/12/2009 11:16:17 PM · #33

Originally posted by kaiser_chief:

It doesn't matter what Camera you have if
-Your Composition Sucks
-Your Lighting Sucks
-You DNMC for many voters
-Your PP Sucks
-Your Settings (Shutter, Ap, WB etc) were wrong for the effect
-Etc
-Your water shot is not as good as IreneM's
-Etc

As others have already said, at 720px, there is really not that much difference. People upgrade because they can, and because this is not the only place they take photos for.......

Instead of suggesting such measures, I suggest working on the above will have more chance of improving your scores (and making you a better photographer), rather than suggesting the reason Judi gets good scores is because of her better camera/Lens, rather than her talent.........

Both of my cameras have "Suck Priority" buttons. : P

Message edited by author 2009-02-12 23:16:59.

DigiFotoBuddy

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

02/12/2009 11:25:09 PM · #34

I like the answer from one of my friend. If picture is good, it's photographer who takes picture. Otherwise it's camera. This is if you are the photog. If photo is by someone else, it's otherway around. ;o)

Yo_Spiff

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

02/12/2009 11:26:02 PM · #35

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

In the end, it's always the photographer, not the camera. There's very little point in giving a beginning photographer a high-end camera, because s/he simply won't know how to get the performance out of it.

I've slightly revised my own view of the "it's not the camera, it's the photographer" line. I believe the 80/20 rule applies. 80% is the photographer and 20% is the equipment, but with the caveat that it is only true if the photographer knows how to get the advantage from that better equipment. Otherwise you get high quality snapshots.

02/12/2009 11:30:29 PM · #36

Originally posted by DigiFotoBuddy:

Hahaha. Guess where this puts me;-)