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01/19/2009 09:52:11 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
Originally posted by Blue Moon:
Originally posted by JulietNN:
I think that everyone posted their best shot, if that is the best that they can do then that is best they can do. But they have to remember that their best may not be the best that another person see's. there are some amazing shots out there and they will get compared to those as well.
So saying that is your best shot, well that is great, but don't get butt hurt when other people score higher because those photo are superior. |
I know my image isn't the best in the challenge (as do others), but to say that my entry isn't even good enough for the challenge is being a bit rude, don't you think? |
I know that i didn't say that, adn taht can be construed as rude.
But what I am saying is that some peoples best are not up to par with some of the other photos that are up there. If you didn't want to be challengened by others, then why bother.
edited to add: People are always whining about not getting comments, or getting comments that say "great shot' and always whine about not having comments that give them something to work with , something to improve their shots.
so now you have a comment and you don't like it, well isn't it better than no comment, are you not going to learn from your comment.
YOu put your best out there, deal with it without whining too much
you bothered because it was the best of your year. But you entered a shot into the Best of 2008, so you are competing with others that may or may not have had a better year and you are complaining that they don't know that this is your best shot. HOw is anyone supposed to know.
I am not trying ot be mean, but look at it from a different point of view |
nonono, misundersatnding...I was reponding to the original comment I received as being rude, not you. However, I don't really think I'm whining or compalining, I'm just stating my reaction to a comment I received. And I would assume that since it is called "Best of 2008" voters would assume that the image was the best that person did. |
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01/19/2009 10:00:10 PM · #27 |
Yep that's what I meant. Steve your another member who contributes by commenting a ton, very cool since like Bear stated this is a competition. I guess people will complain any way we look at it. We all contribute heavily to this site. If we went to a max. top 20% voting for competition, I would have to try harder and enter less.....Lol.
edit; By the way this is a hobby for me, I think people take these challenges way to serious....Lol. Like Jeb said just because your image didn't score well here doesn't mean it's a bad image.
Originally posted by yospiff:
Originally posted by ace flyman:
I beleive the folks who vote only 20% skip the random order. I wouldn't call it cherry picking because we don't have a standard voting policy other than the min. 20% rule. |
Added: Oh, I think I understand your quoted statement now. You are suggesting most of the 20% voters are clicking and voting on the thumbnails that interest them. I don't do that. In fact, sometimes I get stuck on a pic because I am giving it a 4 or 5 and I feel obligated to explain the vote. I'll then stop voting and come back to it later. I'm going to leave my previous response in place even though I misunderstood what you were saying. It's still insight into why I vote the way I do. |
Message edited by author 2009-01-19 22:02:50. |
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01/20/2009 02:09:22 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by ace flyman:
Like Jeb said just because your image didn't score well here doesn't mean it's a bad image. |
Doesn't it seem normal that the bad images and the images that didn't fit the challenge get the lowest scores? Thus, if it "didn't score well," it's either a bad image or it didn't fit the challenge. So a bad score SHOULD (in most cases) mean it's a bad image. But it doesn't - it means that someone wanted to vote on a curve, according to a skewed scale, etc. etc. - whatever you wanna call it.
Anyway, thanks for the comments, everyone. I gotta say, though, I still think that each image should be rated based on how \"good\" it is and how much it fits the challenge. Use the other images as tools if you find you have 100 7\'s and 10 6\'s, or if you start by rating images 2 4 6 8 10 and then further separating them by comparing the ones with the same rating. But forcing yourself to rate some really low? That leads to ribbon winners with some 2s and 1s. Except for possible disagreements over whether they fit the challenge, ribbon winners should NOT be getting scores that low.
Someone mentioned the fact that DPChallenge has the word CHALLENGE which means the entrants COMPETE, which means the images have to be compared to EACH OTHER. Sure, the entrants COMPETE, but they do so by submitting their entries to be voted on on a SCALE. Can\'t we simply compete with the scores we get from an OBJECTIVE panel? Why do we have to make it SUBJECTIVE to be able to COMPETE?
Someone else mentioned something like \"well, fitting the \'best of\' challenge means being the best out of everyone.\" Um, no it doesn\'t. It means submitting your best shot of the year/month/whatever. No one can disagree with \"fitting the challenge\" because what is MY best shot is MY opinion. |
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01/20/2009 02:13:19 AM · #29 |
| Ah, to be fresh and full of great ideas again. |
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01/20/2009 02:15:50 AM · #30 |
| I voted for every single entry with the exception of my own (obviously) and one I knew whose it was. I prefer to vote for every single entry if I'm going to vote at all. For this challenge I rated each photo based on my reaction to it, and how I would rate it in a free study since there's no 'theme'. I didn't rate them thinking 'is this the best of?' since I think this challenge is more about personal bests, and you don't know which photo belongs to who. :) I also don't care how many of each score I give out, if I come across a challenge that has 5 10's so be it, if I come across one that has none that's fine too. :) Same goes for lower scores :P. |
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01/20/2009 02:25:22 AM · #31 |
Just because a image didn't ribbon or score well doesn't make it a bad image. Have you seen some of the images in the Posthumous award thread, some didn't score well at all, yet they are fine images in there own right.
Originally posted by george917:
[quote=ace flyman]Like Jeb said just because your image didn't score well here doesn't mean it's a bad image. |
Doesn't it seem normal that the bad images and the images that didn't fit the challenge get the lowest scores?
Message edited by author 2009-01-20 03:02:08. |
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01/20/2009 07:48:20 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by Blue Moon:
Originally posted by JulietNN:
Originally posted by Blue Moon:
Originally posted by JulietNN:
I think that everyone posted their best shot, if that is the best that they can do then that is best they can do. But they have to remember that their best may not be the best that another person see's. there are some amazing shots out there and they will get compared to those as well.
So saying that is your best shot, well that is great, but don't get butt hurt when other people score higher because those photo are superior. |
I know my image isn't the best in the challenge (as do others), but to say that my entry isn't even good enough for the challenge is being a bit rude, don't you think? |
I know that i didn't say that, adn taht can be construed as rude.
But what I am saying is that some peoples best are not up to par with some of the other photos that are up there. If you didn't want to be challengened by others, then why bother.
edited to add: People are always whining about not getting comments, or getting comments that say "great shot' and always whine about not having comments that give them something to work with , something to improve their shots.
so now you have a comment and you don't like it, well isn't it better than no comment, are you not going to learn from your comment.
YOu put your best out there, deal with it without whining too much
you bothered because it was the best of your year. But you entered a shot into the Best of 2008, so you are competing with others that may or may not have had a better year and you are complaining that they don't know that this is your best shot. HOw is anyone supposed to know.
I am not trying ot be mean, but look at it from a different point of view |
nonono, misundersatnding...I was reponding to the original comment I received as being rude, not you. However, I don't really think I'm whining or compalining, I'm just stating my reaction to a comment I received. And I would assume that since it is called "Best of 2008" voters would assume that the image was the best that person did. |
BlueMoon, ordinarily, quoting a comment in the forums and saying that you thought it was rude is something we'd remove, but since here it's not done in a hostile way and serves to illustrate a larger point we will let it stand.
In researching your statements about your comment, I noticed your own photog notes about your image and I have to say I think your reaction and perception about this is a bit unfair. Your comment appears to echo your own notes about your image. |
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01/20/2009 08:25:35 AM · #33 |
I vote on every single picture in every competition, I don't think it's a fair competition if I don't.
I try to comment in as many challenges as possible.
In this competition in particular I have rated as I do normally: on the merits of each individual picture - since there's no "subject" I don't take anything into account apart from the individual shot itself. I.e. I don't change myt voting system because it is a "best of". |
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01/20/2009 08:35:08 AM · #34 |
I didn't put my best pic in, only the best moment that I have a photo of. Before the start I understood that I am not going to win this challenge, so I go for comments instead of a score. It works, 9 nice comments and a score of 4.5
If I am going to rate this challenge I will rate on feel, not on technical stuff. That will likely result in 400 votes of 5 or lower, 80 votes 6 or 7, 14 8's, 5 9's and one 10 (based on a 500 photo competition).
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01/20/2009 08:44:59 AM · #35 |
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Message edited by author 2009-01-20 08:46:06. |
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01/20/2009 08:45:45 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by george917:
Doesn't it seem normal that the bad images and the images that didn't fit the challenge get the lowest scores? Thus, if it "didn't score well," it's either a bad image or it didn't fit the challenge. So a bad score SHOULD (in most cases) mean it's a bad image. |
Usually so, however I've see a lot of images that (IMO) don't score highly because of disturbing subject matter, or lack of broad appeal for this site. Abstracts in particular, no matter how good, tend to not fare well except in abstract friendly challenges. |
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01/20/2009 11:33:50 PM · #37 |
Wow Azrifel, pretty tough ratings there!
Thanks again for the comments, everyone.
I haven't voted (and don't plan on voting) in this challenge. I'm always going back and forth with ratings, bumping things up and down, mainly in the 5-6-7-8s, and looking through well-taken images gets to be so enjoyable that I wanna spend all night doing it. However, I don't have all night, and even voting on 20% would take forever...
Once again, thanks for the input.
PS: To those in the US, I hope you're having a good Inauguration Day. Go Obama.
PPS: Not tryin' to be political, but it's our duty to stand by our President at this point. |
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01/21/2009 01:50:15 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by L2:
BlueMoon, ordinarily, quoting a comment in the forums and saying that you thought it was rude is something we'd remove, but since here it's not done in a hostile way and serves to illustrate a larger point we will let it stand.
In researching your statements about your comment, I noticed your own photog notes about your image and I have to say I think your reaction and perception about this is a bit unfair. Your comment appears to echo your own notes about your image. |
Point noted and respected. However I do want to reiterate that I did not post it to get a reaction (good or bad) and I meant no ill will toward anyone whatsoever. I think my point is not coming across clearly and since I really don't want to hijack a thread, I will discontinue trying to make my point at all. |
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