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 01/06/2010 08:56:58 PM · #1426
This one at least hung in there for a couple days and got a group rejection instead of just blowing it out in four hours with no explanation.



Any of youy want to try to explain to me where these folks are going with their comments?

Of those who voted against your image, six indicated that there is a problem with impact, four noted motif as a weakness and four selected composition as a reason for not publishing the image.

WTF is motif?????

I really like this image, and wouldn't change a thing.......it's got personal appeal for me as well as its own message.

But I would sort of like to hear how anyone thinks that the impact or composition might be improved.
 01/06/2010 10:45:50 PM · #1427
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
... four noted motif as a weakness and four selected composition as a reason for not publishing the image.]
WTF is motif?????...


A motif is a thematic feature or overriding idea, be it of subject or manner.

I'm afraid, Jeb, that I may have been one of those four.
 01/07/2010 08:48:30 AM · #1428
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
... four noted motif as a weakness and four selected composition as a reason for not publishing the image.]
WTF is motif?????...


Originally posted by zeuszen:
A motif is a thematic feature or overriding idea, be it of subject or manner.

Could you elaborate on that as it applies to this image?

Originally posted by zeuszen:
I'm afraid, Jeb, that I may have been one of those four.

Oh, well, you're off the Christmas card list, then! LOL!!!

Hey, 1x is debilitating to me because I basically feel that I can't cut it there.

I'm not really sure that I'll ever have anything published by them.

I would at least like to get a decent handle on what it is, or isn't that I do.

That might at least help me reconcile with not being a 1x kind of guy.
 01/07/2010 09:25:01 AM · #1429
Well if you ask me, their process may make them pretty exclusive, or spell their doom.

I don't feel it's so special that it's "worth it" to waste time trying. So in the two years or so since I joined, I've only submitted about 11 images (6 of which were published).

But though that's not many rejected, they were my best images, won awards elsewhere. So I know they are not "bad". I chalk it up to them not fitting the "theme" of the site.

Yet the site really has no theme. So what I really object to, is not the rejections per se, as much as the feeling that it's impossible to "pick" ones in a style that's befitting the site, and be right.

The last one I submitted I thought was on the money for the site... (see my "Lost Souls" shot below). Rejected without explanation.

Personally, I think the problem is the "anyone can vote" process. I'd rather see a real board of reviewers who accept or reject work than collective voting by people.

But they can run the site anyway they want. I'm just not going to waste a lot of time with them.

01/07/2010 09:28:10 AM · #1430
Originally posted by nshapiro:

Personally, I think the problem is the "anyone can vote" process. I'd rather see a real board of reviewers who accept or reject work than collective voting by people.


It's true that anyone can vote - but the final decision to publish or not is taken by the screeners...
 01/07/2010 11:05:45 AM · #1431
I have a theory also that American photography is not quite as accepted as European photography. I see some of the European stuff going thru that to me don't seem to be quite the artistry or uniqueness (to my American tastes anyway) as some of the American photographers' photos that get spit out and decisively snubbed. Maybe its a hint of a different style or "look" that doesn't quite appeal to the screeners & voters the same. But at least now, we're seeing so much more color and life and beauty. About a year and a half ago, to me it seemed like if it wasn't a dark, grainy, blurry black and white with something as abstract as feet walking off the top of the photo, it rarely showed up there. I told Ursula that I thought it was her influence.

01/07/2010 11:15:24 AM · #1432
Originally posted by SandyP:
I have a theory also that American photography is not quite as accepted as European photography. I see some of the European stuff going thru that to me don't seem to be quite the artistry or uniqueness (to my American tastes anyway) as some of the American photographers' photos that get spit out and decisively snubbed. Maybe its a hint of a different style or "look" that doesn't quite appeal to the screeners & voters the same. But at least now, we're seeing so much more color and life and beauty. About a year and a half ago, to me it seemed like if it wasn't a dark, grainy, blurry black and white with something as abstract as feet walking off the top of the photo, it rarely showed up there. I told Ursula that I thought it was her influence.


I believe that what you say about cultural differences (American vs. European) is very true...
 01/07/2010 12:02:08 PM · #1433
Originally posted by SandyP:
I have a theory also that American photography is not quite as accepted as European photography. I see some of the European stuff going thru that to me don't seem to be quite the artistry or uniqueness (to my American tastes anyway) as some of the American photographers' photos that get spit out and decisively snubbed. Maybe its a hint of a different style or "look" that doesn't quite appeal to the screeners & voters the same. But at least now, we're seeing so much more color and life and beauty. About a year and a half ago, to me it seemed like if it wasn't a dark, grainy, blurry black and white with something as abstract as feet walking off the top of the photo, it rarely showed up there. I told Ursula that I thought it was her influence.


I so enjoy reading this thread and posts such as this one!

I agree with you, Sandy...

Sooooo, let's all pack our bags and go immediately to EUROPE! ;-)
 01/07/2010 12:06:24 PM · #1434
Yes, Let's Go! But now that Ursula is the head screener, we'll have to come up with something other than black and white, grainy feet walking off the top of the page :) And change our name to Guillerme or something.

01/07/2010 12:09:16 PM · #1435
I submitted this one thinking that it would get in for sure. Nope, I was wrong. Now Im upset.


01/07/2010 12:35:27 PM · #1436
Originally posted by SandyP:
Yes, Let's Go! But now that Ursula is the head screener, we'll have to come up with something other than black and white, grainy feet walking off the top of the page :) And change our name to Guillerme or something.


Nah...I like your name, and I like mine too! The wonderful quality of Ursula is her eagle eye for not only color, but she can take a photo submitted in a small format and see "the bigger picture" and the best possibilities of where a photo should stand. As an example, I recently submitted a photo to a local contest in my home town which she had told me would look good if printed, and printed bigger! So, when I was trying to pick a photo to print, I remembered her advice, and I printed that photo BIGGER and to my complete surprise it tied for first place. ::BEAMS::

The lesson here wasn't so much in the photo's placement, but rather just how different a photo impacts an audience when printed than when submitted in a small format for the internet. I think about this lesson now when processing photos.

Hmmmmm. Ursula is like Mother Nature...she always knows BEST! ;-)

P.S. This particular photo is also the only one in my portfolio that Yanko marked a FAV, but I will never give that rascal any credit...;-P
 01/07/2010 01:00:44 PM · #1437
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
... four noted motif as a weakness and four selected composition as a reason for not publishing the image.]
WTF is motif?????...

[quote=zeuszen]A motif is a thematic feature or overriding idea, be it of subject or manner.

Could you elaborate on that as it applies to this image?


Both image and title point to urban homelessness as the dominant theme here. Perspective, setting and manner support this view as an ubiquitous and familiar motif. The seasonal references only add sentiment.

Although unfortunately rampant these days, the misery and social injustice spoken to here is, IMO, particularly difficult to photograph, because a) everybody does it and b) no one cares. Yet, when we look at images of our neighbors and mates stranded, hungry and desperately lost in the hubbub among us, we want and need to be moved by real feelings, not sentiments.

One could argue for the inclusion of the christmas wreath, as well as by title, as ironic and not see a soft attribute at all. But even this has been done to death. The argument, therefore, has no strength left in it.

Truth is, we are too fat and complacent to be moved by much at all. Subject, theme, issue need to be addressed, dealt with, cared about. This is why I'd expect any topical photograph such as this to wake us to the point of restlessness and action, be it hard-hitting (journalistic/documentary) or by other means.

Your image, however (or to my sense of it), is neither. It is, nevertheless a good shot that fails to cry out for more than the pleasure of considering it.

Thus my vote against publishing it. If I had known it was yours, I'd have abstained.

Message edited by author 2010-01-07 13:03:53.
 01/07/2010 01:08:28 PM · #1438
Originally posted by SandyP:
But now that Ursula is the head screener....

Actually, she stepped down as head screener some time ago.
 01/07/2010 03:09:03 PM · #1439


Comments from members:

* It forced me to look and think what was that and how, this makes the image value
* very crowded ,with too many subjects to look at in this reflection.
* Too cluttered.

Additional feedback: Of those who voted against your image, six indicated that there is a problem with story, six noted impact as a weakness and three selected motif as a reason for not publishing the image.

:/
 01/07/2010 04:07:19 PM · #1440
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by SandyP:
But now that Ursula is the head screener....

Actually, she stepped down as head screener some time ago.


Yeah, I'm just a regular screener part of crew. Love it that way!
 01/07/2010 04:26:38 PM · #1441


2nd go with this one - a much cleaner edit; but kicked straight out of Dodge! Probably a bit too contrived??
 01/09/2010 05:10:14 PM · #1442


Fastest rejection I've had!
 01/09/2010 05:47:52 PM · #1443
I made an account and was going to submit something. But I can't get into the site. It won't recognise my password so I tried resetting it. That didn't work either. I emailed customer support yesterday, but so far no answer.
 01/09/2010 11:34:45 PM · #1444
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Your image, however (or to my sense of it), is neither. It is, nevertheless a good shot that fails to cry out for more than the pleasure of considering it.

Okay.....Thanks for the clarification.

Points taken......it is the first of its kind for me, and I was pretty happy with it, plus it scored well in a Free Study.

Hence my submission.
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Thus my vote against publishing it. If I had known it was yours, I'd have abstained.

PLEASE do not do that.

I feel that I can count on your being scrupulously honest in your impressions......I'd as soon things stayed that way.

If you don't think it should be published, by all means say so.

Message edited by author 2010-01-09 23:35:11.
 01/10/2010 09:41:33 AM · #1445
My latest:





Neither went to member screening, one other in member screening now...

FWIW, I'm up to ten rejected abstracts.

Message edited by author 2010-01-10 09:45:03.
 01/12/2010 11:59:40 AM · #1446
No way Sancho...

01/12/2010 12:04:21 PM · #1447
You need an umbrella or a bicycle to get in.
 01/12/2010 02:05:59 PM · #1448
Originally posted by Zigomar:
No way Sancho...


Silly people.
 01/12/2010 02:45:16 PM · #1449
Originally posted by Melethia:
Silly people.


I feel them. Honestly. Lensbaby does appear like a photoshop effect at a first glance, and there is a lot of 'purists' out there. Most of the comments on my LB rejects state 'editing' as the biggest weakness of the photo.
 01/12/2010 03:05:43 PM · #1450
Originally posted by Zigomar:
Originally posted by Melethia:
Silly people.


I feel them. Honestly. Lensbaby does appear like a photoshop effect at a first glance, and there is a lot of 'purists' out there. Most of the comments on my LB rejects state 'editing' as the biggest weakness of the photo.


Just shows what they know! I have gone right off 1x. We need to educate them about this lensbaby thing :)
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