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11/29/2008 09:29:57 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Physics_McG:
i wasn't trying to offend anyone and say that there is too much editing, or that photos only win because they are edited, i simply was trying to get the point across that a challenge with little or no editing would be cool just to see what the pictures looked like versus being edited.... |
All you have to do is go to the Archives and patiently scroll back (I'm sure others on this site probably know of a faster way to find them). There has been at least one SFTC (straight from the camera) challenge within the last year and a few Minimal editing challenges too. An yes, there does tend to be more of a purity to these shots imho. |
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11/29/2008 09:49:52 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Physics_McG:
i wasn't trying to offend anyone and say that there is too much editing, or that photos only win because they are edited, i simply was trying to get the point across that a challenge with little or no editing would be cool just to see what the pictures looked like versus being edited.... |
Then GO LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATIONS YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN!!!
I really don't think anyone's offended......but if you ask for someting, or you get some suggestions, TRY them, and then see what you think.
Hey, the nude and portrait challenges lend themselves to a lot of minimal editing offerings, and like I said, look at some of the good photogs' work like Sonifo, Grigrigirl, jjbeguin, Librodo.....these are all classic, traditional, EXCELLENT photogs.
Message edited by author 2008-11-29 21:53:01.
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11/29/2008 10:00:53 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by ambaker:
Anybody ever notice that the people who like to do a lot of post processing get all huffy when someone suggests minimal editing, and that the people who like to do it all in camera, get all huffy when someone suggests allowing more post processing?
Maybe, just maybe, if they left each other alone, there could peace in the middle east... ;-)
After all, neither one has to participate in the other's challenge. But they sure go get all wound up about it. Must be all that turkey sitting bad on the stomachs. |
I don't mind minimal editing. I entered the strait from camera shot we did a while back. One thing I will say about this type of challenge is that equipment is king. A nice lens on a super nice camera will most of the time yield the best score. Not to say that there won't be a few diamonds in the ruff, but if two people took an identical shot at the same location the nicer equipment would win out most of the time. |
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11/29/2008 10:23:02 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by ambaker:
Anybody ever notice that the people who like to do a lot of post processing get all huffy when someone suggests minimal editing, and that the people who like to do it all in camera, get all huffy when someone suggests allowing more post processing?
Maybe, just maybe, if they left each other alone, there could peace in the middle east... ;-)
After all, neither one has to participate in the other's challenge. But they sure go get all wound up about it. Must be all that turkey sitting bad on the stomachs. |
Originally posted by Jason_Cross:
I don't mind minimal editing. I entered the strait from camera shot we did a while back. One thing I will say about this type of challenge is that equipment is king. A nice lens on a super nice camera will most of the time yield the best score. Not to say that there won't be a few diamonds in the ruff, but if two people took an identical shot at the same location the nicer equipment would win out most of the time. |
Gotta love those "Diamonds in the Rough"......8>)
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11/29/2008 11:34:52 PM · #30 |
| Right. But would it win the challenge. |
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11/30/2008 12:46:14 AM · #31 |
Here's a link to the last minimal editing challenge which was in September this year.
Night Shots - Minimal Editing Challenge
There have been a few of these requests for Zero editing recently, actually they are quite fun challenges.
However, as I see it the most important thing to remember is that a pic could win in any challenge if a) it is composed well, b) the lighting is excellent, c) the subject matter is interesting etc, etc. If all of these elements are missing, then all the post processing in the world won't turn an uninteresting, poorly lit & badly composed shot into a DPC ribbon winner.
The people who win ribbons at DPC in Advanced & Basic editing challenges are also the people who score highly in minimal editing challenges, the key thing being they know how to take a good picture in the first place.
ETA. Link to other recent Zero Editing Discussion
Message edited by author 2008-11-30 02:55:35. |
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11/30/2008 02:40:49 AM · #32 |
Haha... poor  Physics_McG... Man, what I got from your post was 'Hey, wouldn't it be fun to see images straight from the camera!?" and that's all.
However, being technically inept I did get clued in to a lot of interesting info via your 'spanking'.
For example, i've been shooting close to a year, and never registered the jpg+raw option until this thread... so I almost always shot in jpg cause I couldn't be bothered to open raw files for viewing. This will be very useful.
I think gritty is more my style as I don't do any studio work as of yet and generally just shoot what I see in the streets. I doubt I would ever be advanced in pp, but I do need to have more tools available for versatility when appropriate or called for. I tried something a little different for one of my planned submissions, and actually quite like it...
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11/30/2008 03:07:07 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by Iraklis:
Haha... poor Physics_McG... |
His intent may have been innocent enough here, but you should read through his comments and other threads he has started. With the history you may find it more difficult to believe his intent was so innocent here.
For pete's sake
Run of the mill images...
"I thought this should have at least been rated higher than it was, but...whatever I guess you can't satisfy these people"
"well, you did well love, but I guess it really is impossible for us common fold to ribbon.....better luck next time.... your loving husband, "
"I just can't believe the pictures that were rated higher than mine that should not have been.....and Injection of Liquidity winning the red......give me a break"
Physics_McG, you'll get a lot more out of this site once you lose the attitude. You'll find we're not such bad people, and we're not out to get you. Let it go man. |
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11/30/2008 03:57:22 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by Iraklis:
For example, i've been shooting close to a year, and never registered the jpg+raw option until this thread... so I almost always shot in jpg cause I couldn't be bothered to open raw files for viewing. This will be very useful. |
Be aware that the jpeg setting is Basic, and really not much suitable for editing.
If you're just using them as index files, great, but process the RAW images for your entries, or reset to Fine mode for your jpegs if you aren't going to process the RAW images. |
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11/30/2008 04:17:51 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by aliqui:
Physics_McG, you'll get a lot more out of this site once you lose the attitude. You'll find we're not such bad people, and we're not out to get you. Let it go man. |
What I find pretty amazing is that he starts these inflammatory threads, goes off on a tangent demonstrating his complete unwillingness to get to know us and our work, slams us and our techniques, and then acts innocent and injured when we reply pointedly.
He has yet to have anyone really hand him his head, he's been given a plethora of helpful hints and suggestions, yet he still persists in making fairly rude commentary and allusions.
Misinformed commentary and allusions at that.....
Message edited by author 2008-11-30 04:42:55.
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11/30/2008 06:07:47 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by Jason_Cross:
I don't mind minimal editing. I entered the strait from camera shot we did a while back. One thing I will say about this type of challenge is that equipment is king. A nice lens on a super nice camera will most of the time yield the best score. Not to say that there won't be a few diamonds in the ruff, but if two people took an identical shot at the same location the nicer equipment would win out most of the time. |
I don't agree with this at all. It's about light, composition, and imagination. With the size we have to submit photos here, no one will be able to tell the difference from the 6.1mp of your D50 to the 12.3 of the D300. Just because a monkey has a top of the line kit doesn't mean he can capture a good photograph. Sure, if you can't afford a fast 1.4 lens you can't get the DOF that someone with that lens can get, but you can work within the bounderies of your lenses and still get a fantastic shot.
And, if someone doesn't think there was post processing when film was king, you don't know much about film processing. |
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11/30/2008 06:55:31 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by david1707:
And, if someone doesn't think there was post processing when film was king, you don't know much about film processing. |
Or the choice of the correct paper.
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11/30/2008 08:02:30 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by chromeydome:
As has been famously said*
The negative is the score, the print is the performance.
So, as Bear has so correctly noted, lots of settings are applied by the photographer and/or the camera's jpeg conversion firmware when converting the data from the sensor to a jpeg. I suppose if one really wanted to shoot "straight" or "pure" one would need to be committed to only using unaltered RAW images. Which would sort of miss the point of the thing entirely, I think.
*wonder who will be first to identify who said it? :-)) |
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11/30/2008 08:07:10 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by ambaker:
Anybody ever notice that the people who like to do a lot of post processing get all huffy when someone suggests minimal editing, and that the people who like to do it all in camera, get all huffy when someone suggests allowing more post processing?
Maybe, just maybe, if they left each other alone, there could peace in the middle east... ;-)
After all, neither one has to participate in the other's challenge. But they sure go get all wound up about it. Must be all that turkey sitting bad on the stomachs. |
agree about not having to participate in each others challenges if its not your thing ...
but huge generalization there .. maybe there are a few ppl who only want it to be done their way, but most ppl on this site are very open minded ..
anyhoooooooo ..
dont know if anyone has put the link in for this challenge .. Trees..:)
some amazing photographs with Minimal Editing Rules ..:)
just for the record .. i'm totally into processing .. but if a minimal editing challenge came up i'd definitely consider it ..:)
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11/30/2008 08:39:11 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by Iraklis:
I think gritty is more my style as I don't do any studio work as of yet and generally just shoot what I see in the streets. I doubt I would ever be advanced in pp, but I do need to have more tools available for versatility when appropriate or called for. I tried something a little different for one of my planned submissions, and actually quite like it... |
I have my li'l repertoire of PS tricks that I have pretty much picked up since being here, and every so often learn or add something new.  Man_Called_Horse is my go-to guy if I start getting badly dinged for pp'ing and need someone to help me get a handle on it. |
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11/30/2008 08:51:33 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by roz:
but huge generalization there .. maybe there are a few ppl who only want it to be done their way, but most ppl on this site are very open minded .. |
Surely you jest!!!!
Originally posted by roz:
but if a minimal editing challenge came up i'd definitely consider it ..:) |
Queen of Textures & Overlays??????
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!!!!......8>)
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11/30/2008 09:03:57 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by Iraklis:
I think gritty is more my style as I don't do any studio work as of yet and generally just shoot what I see in the streets. I doubt I would ever be advanced in pp, but I do need to have more tools available for versatility when appropriate or called for. I tried something a little different for one of my planned submissions, and actually quite like it... |
That'll change over time if you're open to your evolving with the help of people here.
As keeps being said, post processing is what you make of it, be it mild or wild.
This has PP work, but the object was to make it as natural appearing as possible..
This is something just for the way I view this ethereal and lovely place as I see it in my imagination as much as I do with my eyes.....if that made any sense....8>)
This is just 'cause I could......and for a goof.
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But the way I like PP the best is when it helps me to capture the absolute essence of what I wanted.
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11/30/2008 02:18:30 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by chromeydome:
As has been famously said*
The negative is the score, the print is the performance.
So, as Bear has so correctly noted, lots of settings are applied by the photographer and/or the camera's jpeg conversion firmware when converting the data from the sensor to a jpeg. I suppose if one really wanted to shoot "straight" or "pure" one would need to be committed to only using unaltered RAW images. Which would sort of miss the point of the thing entirely, I think.
*wonder who will be first to identify who said it? :-)) |
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 Jac wins! |
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11/30/2008 02:33:24 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by chromeydome:
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by chromeydome:
As has been famously said*
The negative is the score, the print is the performance.
So, as Bear has so correctly noted, lots of settings are applied by the photographer and/or the camera's jpeg conversion firmware when converting the data from the sensor to a jpeg. I suppose if one really wanted to shoot "straight" or "pure" one would need to be committed to only using unaltered RAW images. Which would sort of miss the point of the thing entirely, I think.
*wonder who will be first to identify who said it? :-)) |
AA |
Jac wins! |
One of my teachers in college* drilled that to us for he loved the master and his work was almost as impressive, technically. He nurtured my love of b&w photography.
* CEGEP here, not university, or college, to Americans. I have a headache now. ;) |
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11/30/2008 03:11:01 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by chromeydome:
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by chromeydome:
As has been famously said*
The negative is the score, the print is the performance.
So, as Bear has so correctly noted, lots of settings are applied by the photographer and/or the camera's jpeg conversion firmware when converting the data from the sensor to a jpeg. I suppose if one really wanted to shoot "straight" or "pure" one would need to be committed to only using unaltered RAW images. Which would sort of miss the point of the thing entirely, I think.
*wonder who will be first to identify who said it? :-)) |
AA |
Jac wins! |
One of my teachers in college* drilled that to us for he loved the master and his work was almost as impressive, technically. He nurtured my love of b&w photography.
* CEGEP here, not university, or college, to Americans. I have a headache now. ;) |
Cégep - Collège d'enseignement général et professionnel
I always thought Canadians were also American, in Wisconsin they call it votech. |
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11/30/2008 03:58:25 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by Physics_McG:
Ok, yeah, jdannels, that sounds good!!!!! |
Just to be clear, these rules aren't my idea, they are the site's Minimal Editing rules and are the same as were quoted in the first response to your original post. Except you misquoted me and you are allowed to sharpen as many times as you like using the sharpen filter only. |
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11/30/2008 04:05:03 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by roz:
but huge generalization there .. maybe there are a few ppl who only want it to be done their way, but most ppl on this site are very open minded .. |
Surely you jest!!!!
Originally posted by roz:
but if a minimal editing challenge came up i'd definitely consider it ..:) |
Queen of Textures & Overlays??????
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!!!!......8>) |
hey jeb .. thanx for my first big laugh of the day .. !!
and the open minded bit .. spose that was a bit'v positive thinking .. but it doesnt take many closed minded ppl to make it feel like there are a lot .. its like pain .. hard to ignore even if its not overwhelming and it can make you forget the good stuff .. :)
Message edited by author 2008-11-30 16:07:41.
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