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 11/08/2008 12:37:38 AM · #1376
To be clear, I don't care one whit about the Plain side of this discussion either.

I just don't like seeing weak example-based arguments when there are plenty of counter-examples that almost anyone could think up with a modicum of effort, and I felt compelled to respond. :)
11/08/2008 02:32:45 AM · #1377
Hahah! This is hilarious... I got this text message today on my cellphone.. it is from a number I dont recognise (831-5XXXXXX). And it says (and I quote exactly):

"FREE BBQ chicken, chittlins, watermelon, cool-aid and 40s at the White House tomorrow!!! Be there and bring your own blunts. WE RUNNING THIS SHIT NOW!!!!"

Eheheheh... somebody took a serious offense to Obama taking the presidency now:-)
 11/08/2008 02:50:39 AM · #1378
Originally posted by Prash:
Hahah! This is hilarious... I got this text message today on my cellphone.. it is from a number I dont recognise (831-5XXXXXX). And it says (and I quote exactly):

"FREE BBQ chicken, chittlins, watermelon, cool-aid and 40s at the White House tomorrow!!! Be there and bring your own blunts. WE RUNNING THIS SHIT NOW!!!!"

Eheheheh... somebody took a serious offense to Obama taking the presidency now:-)


When you pause and think about that for a moment...

Does it really sound all that bad? I mean, set aside it's obvious and deliberate provocativeness, ignore for a moment that some dbag is getting his jollies by spewing inflammatory stereotypes all over...

Tons of munchies! Hang with the prez.

Sounds good to me.

Message edited by author 2008-11-08 02:51:16.
 11/08/2008 10:20:12 AM · #1379
Originally posted by Prash:
Hahah! This is hilarious... I got this text message today on my cellphone.. it is from a number I dont recognise (831-5XXXXXX). And it says (and I quote exactly):

"FREE BBQ chicken, chittlins, watermelon, cool-aid and 40s at the White House tomorrow!!! Be there and bring your own blunts. WE RUNNING THIS SHIT NOW!!!!"

Eheheheh... somebody took a serious offense to Obama taking the presidency now:-)

Hm. I find this pretty offensive. As I suggested earlier, it's alarming to me that there is a species of individual that has no problem with effusing this kind of disgusting slander.
 11/08/2008 01:51:36 PM · #1380
Interesting response from Mid-East blogger:

The Skeptic, Egypt (elijahzarwan.net/blog)

A new day dawned in Cairo today. As it does every day.

And it started as it always does: with birds, schoolchildren and car horns. No national holiday here.

Iâm looking forward to going out in the streets to hear the reaction. The best reaction Iâve heard so far: âBlack Man Given Nationâs Worst Job.â

Bah humbug. I confess Iâm moved.
 11/08/2008 01:57:11 PM · #1381
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by Prash:
Hahah! This is hilarious... I got this text message today on my cellphone.. it is from a number I dont recognise (831-5XXXXXX). And it says (and I quote exactly):

"FREE BBQ chicken, chittlins, watermelon, cool-aid and 40s at the White House tomorrow!!! Be there and bring your own blunts. WE RUNNING THIS SHIT NOW!!!!"

Eheheheh... somebody took a serious offense to Obama taking the presidency now:-)

Hm. I find this pretty offensive. As I suggested earlier, it's alarming to me that there is a species of individual that has no problem with effusing this kind of disgusting slander.


It is offensive.. but I want to take it in a light manner.. since no-one can take Obama's victory away now, and there will be people pissed because of that.

Message edited by author 2008-11-08 13:58:33.
 11/08/2008 02:03:51 PM · #1382
Originally posted by Louis:
Hm. I find this pretty offensive. As I suggested earlier, it's alarming to me that there is a species of individual that has no problem with effusing this kind of disgusting slander.


I'd like to entreat everyone to remember... funny and offensive aren't mutually exclusive! I think forgetting that gets people in trouble for all sorts of reasons, the ones making the jokes AND the ones responding to them. There's a real place in this world for even extrememly offensive comedy IMO, what matters is the intent.

If David Alan Grier said that line in a goofy voice on Chocolate News, would it be nearly so disgusting?

Based on the way this message was apparently sent to unknowing, random people, it's seems clear to me that the guy who wrote it was interested in offending first and foremost. That makes them a dick in my book. And unfortunately for them, they relied on stale cliches instead of wit, and with no way to tweak the delivery using body language or inflection, failed at the comedy part.

Then there's the pain-driven hilarity of knowing someone out there would do something so ridiculous. Even the language we use to describe such things is one of comedy. Laughable. Ludicrous. We use humor to protect ourselves and soften the blow.

Just as the intent of a joke is key to its ultimate worth, a person's reason for being amused is what matters, and that might not always be obvious. I really hope nobody leaps on Prash, assuming he's amused because he thinks stick-in-your-eye stereotypes are funny and is somehow contributing to the problem. I'm guessing that it's the ridiculousness I described above getting the giggle, but nobody really knows that except Prash himself!
 11/08/2008 02:04:58 PM · #1383
Originally posted by Prash:
It is offensive.. but I want to take it in a light manner.. since no-one can take Obama's victory away now, and there will be people pissed because of that.


And thanks for clarifying! :)
 11/08/2008 03:03:26 PM · #1384
Sorry, I'm simply not used to that kind of offense. It's pretty sick, and I'm astonished there are people walking around that can communicate that kind of thing to others, let alone think it. Not amused here.
 11/08/2008 03:29:38 PM · #1385
Some things just aren't funny.
 11/08/2008 04:52:14 PM · #1386
I agree it is deeply offensive. But rather than boiling all over it (which wont make any sense because the number that sent it is unreachable), I am taking it as someone venting their frustrations out just because they dont like the president-elect's origin.

Obama is a great personality and anyone who sees and says these things without knowing about who he really is, is just plain stupid and I do not wish to engage my intelligence arguing against such meaningless smear.

It is nevertheless sick that some people would even think of such things.

Message edited by author 2008-11-08 16:52:34.
 11/08/2008 04:55:59 PM · #1387
Originally posted by Louis:
Sorry, I'm simply not used to that kind of offense. It's pretty sick, and I'm astonished there are people walking around that can communicate that kind of thing to others, let alone think it. Not amused here.


You obvious have a different perspective living up there but to be honest what prash posted is quite tame in comparision to what other things are said. Hell, we even have tv shows like Mind of Mencia and Dave Chappelle who have run skits that joke about the very same thing.
 11/08/2008 04:57:48 PM · #1388
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by Louis:
Sorry, I'm simply not used to that kind of offense. It's pretty sick, and I'm astonished there are people walking around that can communicate that kind of thing to others, let alone think it. Not amused here.


You obvious have a different perspective living up there but to be honest what prash posted is quite tame in comparision to what other things are said. Hell, we even have tv shows like Mind of Mencia and Dave Chappelle who have run skits that joke about the very same thing.


.. and we have Little Mosque on the Prairie.
 11/08/2008 05:18:57 PM · #1389
Originally posted by yanko:
You obvious have a different perspective living up there but to be honest what prash posted is quite tame in comparision to what other things are said. Hell, we even have tv shows like Mind of Mencia and Dave Chappelle who have run skits that joke about the very same thing.


That's kind of my point. Where is the liberal outrage when Chappelle does it? Is it okay becuse he's famous, black, paid to do it, and has good delivery?

I think everyone should be able to make an ass of themselves. That joke is not OBJECTIVELY sick.

Freddie himself apparently is, or is at least misguided.
11/08/2008 05:32:31 PM · #1390
A post has been hidden for publishing private details.

Please do not post the telephone numbers of private citizens on the Internet. Thanks!

Message edited by author 2008-11-08 17:35:50.
 11/08/2008 08:52:48 PM · #1391
Originally posted by Mousie:
Where is the liberal outrage when Chappelle does it?

"Liberal outrage"?

Of course it's ok when Chappelle does it. Do you find it amusing when you're called a mofo-ing faggot by some musclehead who'd sooner kick the shit out of you than say hello? When you call you friends like names, it's a different story, wouldn't you say? I wonder how amused George Smitherman would be if he received an anonymous anti-gay text message as vile as the one Prash got. I'm sure he's been known to bandy about the words "queer" and "fag" and "mary" in his younger days. I'll make fun of my folks' German accents and do a little Hitler-ribbing with my sister, but if some stranger sent Mom a text message accusing her of being a Nazi, I'd be on the phone to the cops. Sorry, not convinced everything's a-ok.
 11/08/2008 09:10:05 PM · #1392
Bill Maher is being interviewed by Larry King on CNN right now. Just FYI. So far a great interview.
 11/08/2008 09:27:50 PM · #1393
Originally posted by cynthiann:
Bill Maher is being interviewed by Larry King on CNN right now. Just FYI. So far a great interview.


Bill Maher is an egotistical jack-ass... but can be funny at times.
 11/09/2008 12:16:16 AM · #1394
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by Mousie:
Where is the liberal outrage when Chappelle does it?

"Liberal outrage"?

Of course it's ok when Chappelle does it. Do you find it amusing when you're called a mofo-ing faggot by some musclehead who'd sooner kick the shit out of you than say hello? When you call you friends like names, it's a different story, wouldn't you say? I wonder how amused George Smitherman would be if he received an anonymous anti-gay text message as vile as the one Prash got. I'm sure he's been known to bandy about the words "queer" and "fag" and "mary" in his younger days. I'll make fun of my folks' German accents and do a little Hitler-ribbing with my sister, but if some stranger sent Mom a text message accusing her of being a Nazi, I'd be on the phone to the cops. Sorry, not convinced everything's a-ok.


If my repeated statements that I totally think the originator of that text is a complete dbag who is being obviously and deliberately offensive, fails at humor, had bad intentions based on the way the message was sent, and is basically an example of when a joke like that is NOT excusable, I apologize. I thought I was pretty clear.

What I've objected to is the idea I feel some people are expressing that this sort of humor is never appropriate and that it is objectively sick, with the implication that anyone who would use it is, well, wrong. I don't agree. I think the intent of the source is absolutely key. You would appear to agree, since you don't take issue with Chappelle.

I was also trying to suggest to anyone super offended by this offensive 'joke' that they might think twice before accidentally jumping on people who thought it was 'hysterical' they had recieved an offensive joke out of the blue, because picturing the sort of tool that would randomly hate-SMS was amusing to them. "Ha ha, those idiot racists!" NOT that they thought the joke itself was hysterical. I mean, I took some time to explain that.

And jeeze, it seems I was right to call for a bit of restraint. Where the heck did you get the idea that I think Freddie the text messenger is a-ok? I'm sympathetic to everything you said above! It's my freakin' point! What little context I have tells me his intentions were bad, it was meant as hateful, and he should not have done it. Cut me some slack!

Message edited by author 2008-11-09 00:20:22.
 11/09/2008 08:05:44 AM · #1395
Obama's a Diamond thief!!!
 11/10/2008 09:37:02 AM · #1396
I have an honest question. I'm not trying to stir anything up, or anything like that, but in my readings this morning, a question formed in my mind.

Was voting for Obama just because he was a black man less racist than NOT voting for him because he was?

(And yes, I've heard people on both sides say that is why they voted -- they wanted to make history or they wouldn't vote for a black man.)
 11/10/2008 09:59:05 AM · #1397
Originally posted by karmat:
Was voting for Obama just because he was a black man less racist than NOT voting for him because he was?

Nope, but I suspect only a small minority of people voted for that reason on either side (no pun intended). The vast majority who voted for him did so because they thought he was the better candidate, based upon policies and principles. That he happened to be black was a non-issue in voting IMO, but a pretty big issue in terms of the result. Many are saying that Obama is under tremendous pressure to deliver upon the almost mystical image of hope he projects, but look at the worldwide reaction to his presidency: "There is a country out there where tens of millions of white Christians, voting freely, select as their leader a black man of modest origin, the son of a Muslim. There is a place on earthâ call it Americaâ where such a thing happens." If Obama does nothing else, he has already fundamentally changed the world for the better.
 11/10/2008 10:03:24 AM · #1398
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by karmat:
Was voting for Obama just because he was a black man less racist than NOT voting for him because he was?

Nope, but I suspect only a small minority of people voted for that reason on either side (no pun intended). The vast majority who voted for him did so because they thought he was the better candidate, based upon policies and principles. That he happened to be black was a non-issue in voting IMO, but a pretty big issue in terms of the result. Many are saying that Obama is under tremendous pressure to deliver upon the almost mystical image of hope he projects, but look at the worldwide reaction to his presidency: "There is a country out there where tens of millions of white Christians, voting freely, select as their leader a black man of modest origin, the son of a Muslim. There is a place on earthâ call it Americaâ where such a thing happens." If Obama does nothing else, he has already fundamentally changed the world for the better.


For me his race really wasn't a factor. I think it's encouraging that the US can finally elect a president that happens to be black, but for me, race has little to do with why I voted for him.
 11/10/2008 11:47:51 AM · #1399
Race was a factor for me. His race (which btw is a factor of perception, not biology: the whole concept of race is racist) is a good thing for international relations. But mostly I voted for him because the Republicans are Satan's minions, and not in a good way.
 11/10/2008 12:06:42 PM · #1400
Originally posted by posthumous:
...But mostly I voted for him because the Republicans are Satan's minions, and not in a good way.


I heard it put this way: Globally, Obama would be considered moderate right-wing, which would put the conservative Republicans )Bush, McCain, Palin, etc) barely to the left of the Taliban.
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