Are gay rights, including gay marriage, evolving?

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11/04/2008 03:33:36 PM · #526

Originally posted by Mousie:

Today's the day, people! Vote NO on California Proposition 8!

I did!

To protect my marriage!

Mousie hun, believe me, I truly and deeply wish I could.

Strikeslip

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11/04/2008 03:37:36 PM · #527

Originally posted by Mousie:

Today's the day, people! Vote NO on California Proposition 8!

I did!

To protect my marriage!

You can move to Ontario.

posthumous

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11/04/2008 04:07:32 PM · #528

Originally posted by Mousie:

Today's the day, people! Vote NO on California Proposition 8!

I did!

To protect my marriage!

I've got my fingers crossed that the Obama wave will take out Proposition 8.

11/04/2008 05:01:04 PM · #529

Originally posted by Mousie:

Today's the day, people! Vote NO on California Proposition 8!

I did!

To protect my marriage!

What will you do if it is voted down? Are any groups organizing for an eventual loss?

11/04/2008 05:05:11 PM · #530

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by Mousie:
Today's the day, people! Vote NO on California Proposition 8!

I did!

To protect my marriage!

You can move to Ontario.

Now he thinks only Ontario respects people's rights. All of Canada respects people's rights. Damn westerners! lol Not often you get called that huh?

bspurgeon

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11/04/2008 11:59:37 PM · #531

Looks like 8 will pass...

I can not believe the failure of California! The sanctity of marriage is found in the love shared between the two HUMAN BEINGS in love, give them the rights the rest of us enjoy! Tonight the United States and California stepped further away from racism yet the great State of California has consecrated discrimination! I am embarrassed to be a native Californian.

11/05/2008 12:35:10 AM · #532

It looks bad for prop 8 at the moment, but realize the late vote was swayed by massive amounts of money from the LDS and other out of state money spreading fear and confusion with "what if" scenarios that frankly scared alot of people of faith. This is not the end of this particular story. The tide of history is with the acceptance of people who differ from the average, the rights of all people to the legal recognition of all rights that are granted to any person will be upheld, if not tomorrow, then soon.

11/05/2008 01:04:51 AM · #533

Don't give up hope yet.

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11/05/2008 01:19:11 AM · #534

Wow, I thought with the wave of positiveness about Obama and his change platform, it would sway some into thinking more freely about the respect of human beings. Boo to Arnie for not standing up and backing the no side. Idiot!

GeneralE

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11/05/2008 01:21:28 AM · #535

It's too early to tell on Prop 8, as the margin is something like 200,000 with only about 23% of the vote counted, and those do not include any votes from San Francisco, Alameda, or Los Angeles Counties.

Update: now with about 26% of the vote counted, the percentage just closed from 55-45 to 53-47 ... I'm trying to get to the Secretary of State's website for direct info.

faidoi

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11/05/2008 01:27:00 AM · #536

Barack doesn't support gay marriage.

11/05/2008 01:31:48 AM · #537

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Cool, thanks for that live update G. I'm a lot more positive now knowing the big cities haven;t been counted yet.

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11/05/2008 02:02:09 AM · #538

Originally posted by faidoi:

Barack doesn't support gay marriage.

But I believe he supports gay "civil unions". He's one of many hung up on the semantics.

K3Master

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11/05/2008 02:08:20 AM · #539

Originally posted by BeeCee:

Originally posted by faidoi:
Barack doesn't support gay marriage.

But I believe he supports gay "civil unions". He's one of many hung up on the semantics.

My view is that he had to toe a certain line on the issue in order not to get absolutely buried in his campaign.

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11/05/2008 02:14:15 AM · #540

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by BeeCee:

Originally posted by faidoi:
Barack doesn't support gay marriage.

But I believe he supports gay "civil unions". He's one of many hung up on the semantics.

My view is that he had to toe a certain line on the issue in order not to get absolutely buried in his campaign.

I dunno, I get the feeling that in his weighing of civil rights against his religious beliefs where the two are in conflict, the scales tip toward the civil rights. I may be wrong, it's just a gut feeling. I guess we'll see over the next few years, eh?

K3Master

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11/05/2008 02:16:35 AM · #541

Originally posted by BeeCee:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by BeeCee:

Originally posted by faidoi:
Barack doesn't support gay marriage.

But I believe he supports gay "civil unions". He's one of many hung up on the semantics.

My view is that he had to toe a certain line on the issue in order not to get absolutely buried in his campaign.

I dunno, I get the feeling that in his weighing of civil rights against his religious beliefs where the two are in conflict, the scales tip toward the civil rights. I may be wrong, it's just a gut feeling. I guess we'll see over the next few years, eh?

That's what I mean, he's probably more for gay marriage that he had to say he was during his campaign.

11/05/2008 02:20:51 AM · #542

Ahh, I thought you meant the other way. Gotcha! :)

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11/05/2008 03:56:41 AM · #543

Just curious, as a straight person am I allowed to get one of these civil unions, or are they just for the folk that Hitler gave the pink triangles to?

rossbilly

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11/05/2008 08:45:34 AM · #544

Any updates on prop 8?

BrennanOB - What are you asking? From your statement, it seems like you're jealous that you didn't get a pink triangle too. What IS a pink triangle, and who did Hitler give them to?

Louis

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11/05/2008 08:57:35 AM · #545

Originally posted by BrennanOB:

Just curious, as a straight person am I allowed to get one of these civil unions, or are they just for the folk that Hitler gave the pink triangles to?

Assuming you're not being intentionally insulting and your question is genuine, sure, go ahead and "get one of them civil unions" Ã la Adam Sandler. Why not. Make a mockery of what constitutes matrimony between two people in love. It'll make you proud. I suppose you'll change your mind pretty quick once it comes to be recognized for what it is, marriage.

Louis

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11/05/2008 09:03:04 AM · #546

Originally posted by faidoi:

Barack doesn't support gay marriage.

"Obama opposed the California amendment and endorses the concept of broader rights for same-sex couples." From this article.

Message edited by author 2008-11-05 09:03:23.

NikonJeb

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11/05/2008 11:00:47 AM · #547

Originally posted by BrennanOB:

Just curious, as a straight person am I allowed to get one of these civil unions, or are they just for the folk that Hitler gave the pink triangles to?

It just thrills me to no end that as a straight person I'm subject to association with people who make comments like this.......8>(

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11/05/2008 11:09:03 AM · #548

Originally posted by rossbilly:

Any updates on prop 8?

BrennanOB - What are you asking? From your statement, it seems like you're jealous that you didn't get a pink triangle too. What IS a pink triangle, and who did Hitler give them to?

Pink triangle was the symbol that homosexuals were forced to wear in german concentration camps, along with the yellow star denoting jewish ancestry, red triangle for socialists, ect. There were alot of them each with that odd graphic quality that the Nazis loved.

Like the word queer, the triangle has gone from a badge of shame to one that some folks wear proudly.

And my intent in bringing it up, is to point out that this is discriminatory, a "separate but equal" system.

Originally posted by Louis:

Well thats good to know, and had it been an option twenty years ago I would have taken it. I would prefer to think that I would have walked during the Selma bus strike, or that I would have hidden Anne Franke. I don't like being told I have the right to access to certain rights and privileges because of my genetic makeup.

As to "changing my mind pretty quick", what makes you think that Louis? I was married in 1988, and will remain so until the day I or my wife dies. My vows were to my wife, not to God, they are not threatened by any others, whatever their sexual orientation making the same sort of promises to each other.

Louis

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11/05/2008 11:18:05 AM · #549

Originally posted by BrennanOB:

As to "changing my mind pretty quick", what makes you think that Louis? I was married in 1988, and will remain so until the day I or my wife dies. My vows were to my wife, not to God, they are not threatened by any others, whatever their sexual orientation making the same sort of promises to each other.

Well, I would assume you don't want a civil union to a partner of the same sex. It was implied by your question. If you are talking about a civil union to a member of the opposite sex, then your question is, I assume, ironic, and my sarcasm inappropriate.