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04/27/2011 07:01:26 PM · #5376 |
Knave and Spalding
A law firm drops a politically incorrect case.
Top lawyer resigns out of a "firmly-held belief that a representation should not be abandoned because the client's legal position is extremely unpopular in certain quarters. Defending unpopular positions is what lawyers do."
DOMA still won't be defended. |
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04/27/2011 11:19:32 PM · #5377 |
Originally posted by Nullix:
Knave and Spalding
A law firm drops a politically incorrect case.
Top lawyer resigns out of a "firmly-held belief that a representation should not be abandoned because the client's legal position is extremely unpopular in certain quarters. Defending unpopular positions is what lawyers do."
DOMA still won't be defended. |
You might want to research that bit again...I seem to recall that while the firm opted out, the lawyer is still on the case and is (I believe) now employed by another firm that will pursue the matter.
With regards to the company, nice and easy for people to make all kinds of disparaging remarks about their ethics and lack of backbone, but the fact remains that they also have an obligation to meet their primary objective and that is to make money, and sadly issues like this one tend to ruffle the feathers of investors.
Ray
Message edited by author 2011-04-27 23:23:10. |
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05/11/2011 04:55:46 PM · #5378 |
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05/11/2011 05:47:06 PM · #5379 |
The first is purely a political issue whereas the second deals exclusively with the ordination of ministers.
I truly never cease to be amazed by some of the moves made by politicians in the USA who bring such mundane issues to light if for no other reason than to keep the populace from focusing on real issues.
Suprisingly, same sex marriage has been legal in Canada since 2005 and society has not gone down the toilet for it.
Ray
Message edited by author 2011-05-11 17:47:18. |
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05/17/2011 01:36:17 PM · #5380 |
May 17, 2011
Buick Harmonizes with the Gay Menâs Chorus of Washington, DC
In anticipation of Buickâs upcoming sponsorship of the Gay Menâs Chorus of Washington, DC (GMCW) Spring Gala on May 21, Buick and Diversity Communications co-hosted a fabulous VIP reception with the GMCW and showcased two of Buickâs luxurious vehicles, the Buick Enclave and the Buick LaCrosse. Adam Bernard, GM Associate Director of Global Product Planning and Chairman of GM PLUS, an employee resource group for LGBT employees, had this to say about GM diversity and support of the LGBT community during the reception, âThe LGBT community has been wrestling with stereotypes for decades. I, for example, do not own a single Judy Garland album. And Iâm sure several of you raised an eyebrow when you saw Buick was sponsoring this event.â Recounting a 2010 Buick ad campaign, Adam added, âWeâre here. Weâre Buick. Get used to it.â
The elements of luxury and style did not stop with the vehicles. Washington DC TV personality, trendsetter and fashion guru Paul Wharton arrived in an Enclave heâd been test driving for the past week. Guests at the event were able to take âphoto shootsâ with the two vehicles and receive picture print outs as mementos of the evening. To top it off, a lucky attendee received a one-week Buick loan!
In addition to Paul Wharton, other special guests for the evening included: John F. Benton, Associate Director of the Smithsonian Institutionâs Air and Space Museum; Thomas R. Mounteer, partner at Paul Hastings and Chairman of the Board of the GMCW; and several GMCW board members including Robert Serpa, Ryan Williams and Jocko Fajardo.
Buickâs presence was generously welcomed by guests with exclamations of, âwhat beautifully designed cars!â and âJust elegant!â.
Message edited by author 2011-05-17 13:43:38. |
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05/20/2011 08:04:44 PM · #5381 |
(sigh) for every baby step forward, there's a giant step backward:
Tenn. Senate Okays ban on teaching of homosexuality, K-8.
"Opponents deride the measure as the "don't say gay bill." They say it's unfair to the children of gay parents and could lead to more bullying. Supporters say it is intended to give teachers clear guidance for dealing with younger children on a potentially explosive topic."
Tennessee folk have until 2012 to cogitate on this issue before it gets to the next step in their legislative process. |
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05/20/2011 10:05:02 PM · #5382 |
As a resident of said state, I can unequivocally say that yours truly would be raising one HELL of a ruckus if this were to pass... but I don't believe it will.
Thank you Alice, for posting this. Now I can repost it on Facebook & make others aware. A lot of people in this area are anti- (gay, sex, education, secularism, critical thinking...), but many of us are working to detach their brains from the 'washing' they have received ;) It is a painfully slow process, but generational awareness & change ARE happening.
If anyone has ideas to share, that will help eradicate this kind of hatred, I'm all ears. |
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05/20/2011 10:13:09 PM · #5383 |
Originally posted by sfalice:
(sigh) for every baby step forward, there's a giant step backward:
Tenn. Senate Okays ban on teaching of homosexuality, K-8.
"Opponents deride the measure as the "don't say gay bill." They say it's unfair to the children of gay parents and could lead to more bullying. Supporters say it is intended to give teachers clear guidance for dealing with younger children on a potentially explosive topic."
Tennessee folk have until 2012 to cogitate on this issue before it gets to the next step in their legislative process. |
I'd support a bill banning teaching anything sexual to K-4, and another bill that requires teaching EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING to all 6th graders.. :) |
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05/20/2011 10:24:05 PM · #5384 |
come to think of it, I would likely propose another piece of legislation:
that absolutely NO mention of religion of any kind be made, from K-8 grades!
Hmmm, maybe this isn't such a bad idea after all... ;) |
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05/20/2011 11:48:15 PM · #5385 |
Originally posted by Cory:
I'd support a bill banning teaching anything sexual to K-4, and another bill that requires teaching EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING to all 6th graders.. :) |
And 5th-graders get ... |
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05/21/2011 12:17:20 AM · #5386 |
| LOL - 5th graders get everything they think they need to know in the locker room. |
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05/21/2011 11:01:22 AM · #5387 |
Originally posted by rossbilly:
come to think of it, I would likely propose another piece of legislation:
that absolutely NO mention of religion of any kind be made, from K-8 grades!
Hmmm, maybe this isn't such a bad idea after all... ;) |
Isn't this happening already? |
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05/21/2011 07:34:53 PM · #5388 |
| How about no mention of sexual orientation either.....no "it's ok or it's not ok. Ask your parent or guardian." |
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06/01/2011 08:23:42 PM · #5389 |
"Don't Say Gay" isn't about preventing talk about sex, it's about preventing talk about the existence of gay people, who may or may not be having sex.
Huge difference.
Are they going to also call for a ban on discussing wives, husbands, babies, and children too? Those are 'about sex', following the same logic.
Idiots. |
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06/01/2011 09:43:43 PM · #5390 |
Originally posted by Mousie:
"Don't Say Gay" isn't about preventing talk about sex, it's about preventing talk about the existence of gay people, who may or may not be having sex.
Huge difference.
Are they going to also call for a ban on discussing wives, husbands, babies, and children too? Those are 'about sex', following the same logic.
Idiots. |
I don't remember talking about husbands, wives, and children in my K-6 grade classes.
Edit: Oops, I just remembered, I went to Catholic school. I guess that doesn't count.
Either way, I don't want the government teaching my children about sex. If being Gay isn't about sex, then what is it about? I am free to love anyone, so what's special about being Gay other than sex?
Message edited by author 2011-06-01 22:47:28. |
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06/01/2011 10:16:36 PM · #5391 |
Originally posted by Nullix:
I don't remember talking about husbands, wives, and children in my K-6 grade classes. |
Sure you did! The books they gave you to read were full of normal people leading normal, approved lifestyles. At least, they were in my day. We were indoctrinated, you bet we were!
R. |
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06/02/2011 07:45:26 PM · #5392 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Nullix:
I don't remember talking about husbands, wives, and children in my K-6 grade classes. |
Sure you did! The books they gave you to read were full of normal people leading normal, approved lifestyles. At least, they were in my day. We were indoctrinated, you bet we were!
R. |
This is my point exactly. The "don't say gay" argument is made from the position of heterosexual privilege. We as a society are drowning in references to the fact of straight sexuality... that kids know about the existence of families is an implicit acknowledgement of sexuality.
Teaching the fact that two male historical figures were married would be no more sexual than teaching that George Washington's wife made a flag.
From the clever math student:
"Why was Alan Turing disgraced and jailed at the end of his career?"
From the teacher:
"We can't talk about that."
Message edited by author 2011-06-02 19:55:17. |
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06/02/2011 07:47:20 PM · #5393 |
And it's my guess you learned about a certain virgin birth quite early, no?
That's a sexuality double-whammy right there.
Edit:
You know, I have to come back and expand on this.
It's completely shocking that someone who went to Catholic school would claim they weren't taught anything about sexuality early in life, when the Christian worldview is predicated on markedly unusual sexuality. Your cognitive dissonance is quite literally stunning.
Message edited by author 2011-06-02 19:52:55. |
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06/02/2011 11:23:32 PM · #5394 |
Originally posted by Mousie:
And it's my guess you learned about a certain virgin birth quite early, no?
That's a sexuality double-whammy right there.
Edit:
You know, I have to come back and expand on this.
It's completely shocking that someone who went to Catholic school would claim they weren't taught anything about sexuality early in life, when the Christian worldview is predicated on markedly unusual sexuality. Your cognitive dissonance is quite literally stunning. |
I'm not certain how that would be a double whammy. Mary was a virgin and didn't have sex.
I was taught by a bunch of Franciscan nuns, they weren't going to teach K-6 graders about anything sexual. I think they used other words like "pure" and "chased" "chaste" but nothing was spelled out.
I don't think I learned about homosexuality until secular high school.
Tell me what would a 2nd grader gain from the knowledge of Alan Turing and his disgrace? Save it for high school and college.
edit: thanks Melethia, it's chaste not chased
Message edited by author 2011-06-03 10:12:13. |
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06/03/2011 01:52:50 AM · #5395 |
Originally posted by Mousie:
The "don't say gay" argument ... |
Applying a slightly different meaning to the phrase, I think I saw several NBA players in a video playing during the Finals, which decries the use of the term "gay" as a negative or pejorative.
Also, players and coaches from your local pro baseball team have participated in a just-released video as part of the "It Gets Better" campaign. |
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06/03/2011 09:25:35 AM · #5396 |
Originally posted by Nullix:
I was taught by a bunch of Franciscan nuns, they weren't going to teach K-6 graders about anything sexual. I think they used other words like "pure" and "chased" but nothing was spelled out. |
Heh. Excellent typo! I think you meant "chaste". |
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06/03/2011 11:30:24 AM · #5397 |
| I'm just waiting to hear how Nullix had any concept of "virgin" or "chaste" without touching on sexuality. It's hilarious that he says "Mary was a virgin and didn't have sex" as an objection to the "claim they weren't taught anything about sexuality early in life." |
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06/03/2011 02:00:30 PM · #5398 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
I'm just waiting to hear how Nullix had any concept of "virgin" or "chaste" without touching on sexuality. It's hilarious that he says "Mary was a virgin and didn't have sex" as an objection to the "claim they weren't taught anything about sexuality early in life." |
We're talking about second graders here. You learn in school that 1+1=2. You don't ask why. You don't get into number theory until college (or maybe honor's math in high school).
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06/03/2011 02:29:05 PM · #5399 |
"Sexuality" isn't "Having Sex". That Nullix can't seem to separate the concepts in ANY way speaks volumes about his lack of understanding of the way life works, really.
He asks how being gay is anything more than "having sex"? Easy. It means being attracted to (in every manner) people of the same gender as you. Intellectually and emotionally as well as physically. You can even have physical attraction without having physical intimacy. I can think a man is good looking without ever thinking about having sex with them.
This applies to grade-school in a number of ways. Children aren't immune to their own sexuality. It is (unless abuse interferes) a very innocent and undeveloped sexuality, but they experience it at all stages of life. From a first kiss under the playground equipment to a "why do you have something different than I do down there?" curiosity. This does not stop at penis/vagina, but can also relate to circumsised/uncircumsised, large/small, pubic hair/lack of, etc.
So sexuality is relevant and important in the education of children from a very early age, and educators should be able to have tools at their disposal to answer basic questions. Even something as simple as "Why does Johnny have two dads?" can be answered by an educator with, "His dads are gay." Which, at a young grade level would usually suffice. If further questions needed to be answered, the educator can then refer them to parents.
It's actually pretty simple. However, if we start getting into the mentality that we need to hide the world from our kids based on ridiculously out-dated concepts, we're going to be in a host of trouble down the line. Laws like the one Tennessee is (trying? passed?) are over-legislation, ridiculous and completely unneeded. If you don't want your child learning about life, then home-school them or send them to a private school that fits your blinders.
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06/03/2011 03:01:32 PM · #5400 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
It's actually pretty simple. However, if we start getting into the mentality that we need to hide the world from our kids based on ridiculously out-dated concepts, we're going to be in a host of trouble down the line. Laws like the one Tennessee is (trying? passed?) are over-legislation, ridiculous and completely unneeded. If you don't want your child learning about life, then home-school them or send them to a private school that fits your blinders. |
What he said. |
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