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09/12/2008 12:53:45 PM · #26 |
Here's a shot that came in Top 10, but not Top 5 that clearly says sharpen, resize, sharpen. |
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09/12/2008 12:58:53 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Love6:
what the heck is the point in step resizing? just shrink the image to the specs you want it at :-P as the rules state ONCE :-) |
In earlier editions of Photoshop, you could significantly improve the clarity of a resized image by resizing in 10% increments instead of all at once. A lot of us used to do that. With the newer versions, the resizing algorithms do a much better job, and I have stopped worrying about it.
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09/12/2008 01:09:29 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Love6:
what the heck is the point in step resizing? ... |
Minimize "jaggies" perhaps? :-) |
hehe well take a shot that jaggies are ok for then :-D :-) ABSTRACT!!! :-D
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09/12/2008 01:10:53 PM · #29 |
So Minimal Editing consist of:
1. Take a photograph using an original Jpeg image.
2. No editing allowed except to:
a. Rotate your image in 90 deg increments.
b. Sharpen using only the "sharpen" tool. But you can only sharpen one time and other sharpening tools are not allowed.
c. Resize from Original to 640x. But can only be done in one step.
d. fully desaturate your image using your editing software’s “desaturate,” “convert to grayscale” or equivalent function. Customizable tools are not allowed.
3. use any feature of your camera while photographing your entry, with the exception of combining multiple captures in-camera.
Is that a fair assessment? |
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09/12/2008 01:11:06 PM · #30 |
B- is incorrect in saying you can use the sharpen only one time --- you can infact use it more than once because they forgot to put in the rule-set as sharpen only once (tho it is preferable that it is done only once- its a technicality)
Message edited by author 2008-09-12 13:12:40. |
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09/12/2008 01:23:57 PM · #31 |
 Multiple sharpens are allowed, I was validated for doing just that. :) |
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09/12/2008 01:32:16 PM · #32 |
An analogy I would throw out there for this ruleset is:
Take a picture
Take the card to a lab and have them print the picture
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09/12/2008 01:35:28 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Citadel:
An analogy I would throw out there for this ruleset is:
Take a picture
Take the card to a lab and have them print the picture |
Most labs perform some color correction by default. DQ. |
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09/12/2008 01:38:42 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Citadel:
An analogy I would throw out there for this ruleset is:
Take a picture
Take the card to a lab and have them print the picture |
Most labs perform some color correction by default. DQ. |
LOL! :-) |
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09/12/2008 01:48:18 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Love6:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Love6:
what the heck is the point in step resizing? ... |
Minimize "jaggies" perhaps? :-) |
hehe well take a shot that jaggies are ok for then :-D :-) ABSTRACT!!! :-D |
Not really.
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09/12/2008 05:33:52 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by Citadel:
An analogy I would throw out there for this ruleset is:
Take a picture
Take the card to a lab and have them print the picture |
not only do they perform color-corrections by default but they also tend to touch up sensor dust and frequently will crop :-P major DQ *lol* :-D
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09/12/2008 11:08:04 PM · #37 |
| I am so excited about this one, now if i can get my tired butt off the ground to shoot it, yeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
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09/12/2008 11:14:07 PM · #38 |
Since the rules are "trial", I'd like to put in my 2 cents about the sharpening part of this....
All of the "basic" editing programs I have do not have a regualar "sharpen" button - they are all customizable. Even in Elements, the only "sharpen" available is Unsharp Mast and "Adjust Sharpness". I think that redoing the rules to accomodate this would be in order since the only "sharpen" button seems to be in the non-minimal Photoshop. |
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09/13/2008 12:48:43 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by TygerPawz:
All of the "basic" editing programs I have do not have a regualar "sharpen" button - they are all customizable. Even in Elements, the only "sharpen" available is Unsharp Mast and "Adjust Sharpness". |
From the PS Elements manual: "The Adjust Sharpness dialog box has sharpening controls not available with the Sharpen tool or with Auto Sharpen." Sounds like the latter two options would be legal in Minimal Editing.
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09/13/2008 01:00:52 AM · #40 |
Cross posted from the Minimal Editing Admin Announcement thread:
Since the Minimal ruleset was first announced, we've seen an increase in the post-processing features available in-camera. For example, some cameras can now apply filters/effects after the actual capture. These new features available on some cameras introduced a contradiction within the Minimal ruleset as written -- because they said that you could use any feature of your camera except multiple exposures.
The preamble to ruleset has been amended to better reflect the spirit of the ruleset: "Restrictions on post-processing apply to ALL edits performed after the image is captured, whether on a computer or with in-camera tools."
Please note: pre-capture settings on whatever camera you have are still fair game.
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09/13/2008 01:22:54 AM · #41 |
I think it is important to realize the purpose of the rules when trying to decide if a certain tool is or should be legal or not.
I admit this is my personal opinion on the purpose of the rules. I believe the purpose of this rule set is to remove the gap between those good with editing skills, photoshop, dozens of commercial plug-ins, etc. from those who only have free or shareware tools and little to no editing experience.
Therefore the tools and processes used to post-process your photograph should be the tools and processes available to everyone. Making the challenge about the photo and the skills of the photographer, not their computer skills.
Anyone disagree?
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09/13/2008 09:15:22 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by togtog:
I think it is important to realize the purpose of the rules when trying to decide if a certain tool is or should be legal or not.
I admit this is my personal opinion on the purpose of the rules. I believe the purpose of this rule set is to remove the gap between those good with editing skills, photoshop, dozens of commercial plug-ins, etc. from those who only have free or shareware tools and little to no editing experience.
Therefore the tools and processes used to post-process your photograph should be the tools and processes available to everyone. Making the challenge about the photo and the skills of the photographer, not their computer skills.
Anyone disagree? |
I disagree. The purpose of the ruleset is to see how we do with NO EDITING WHATSOEVER. Not "the tools and processes available to everyone" but no tools and processes whatsoever...
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09/13/2008 10:27:05 AM · #43 |
Yes this seems to be focused on whether you can actually frame and compose a good photograph at the time its taken(IE hold it level, compose it properly, choose correct exposure and focus). This is kind of like taking photos with those old disc cameras with no adjustments, crops or anything, the photo was either good or it wasn't.
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09/13/2008 12:49:58 PM · #44 |
I agree with the "no editing whatsoever", which is why I don't see why "sharpening" is allowed....
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by togtog:
I think it is important to realize the purpose of the rules when trying to decide if a certain tool is or should be legal or not.
I admit this is my personal opinion on the purpose of the rules. I believe the purpose of this rule set is to remove the gap between those good with editing skills, photoshop, dozens of commercial plug-ins, etc. from those who only have free or shareware tools and little to no editing experience.
Therefore the tools and processes used to post-process your photograph should be the tools and processes available to everyone. Making the challenge about the photo and the skills of the photographer, not their computer skills.
Anyone disagree? |
I disagree. The purpose of the ruleset is to see how we do with NO EDITING WHATSOEVER. Not "the tools and processes available to everyone" but no tools and processes whatsoever...
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09/13/2008 12:54:06 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by TygerPawz:
I agree with the "no editing whatsoever", which is why I don't see why "sharpening" is allowed.... |
Because we require the photo to be resized before submission, which usually has a negative effect regarding maintaining detail, so basic sharpening is allowed to try to make the reduced image come closer to the original. |
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09/13/2008 01:07:37 PM · #46 |
Just for clarification, Bicubic Sharper as the resize algorithm is allowed?
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09/13/2008 01:09:38 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by inshaala:
Just for clarification, Bicubic Sharper as the resize algorithm is allowed? |
That sounds customizable. Try "Sharpen" or "Auto Sharpen" instead. |
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09/13/2008 01:27:44 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by inshaala:
Just for clarification, Bicubic Sharper as the resize algorithm is allowed? |
Yes, it's fine. Resize (ONCE!) is legal, and Bicubic Sharper comes with the turf. |
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09/13/2008 04:29:51 PM · #49 |
Ok, I tried looking through the admin thread regarding these rules, but at 17 pages, my eyes were going buggy and I didn't see the question I'm going to ask.
Is flipping the image horizontally and/or vertically acceptable?
Message edited by author 2008-09-13 16:30:02. |
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09/13/2008 04:31:38 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Ok, I tried looking through the admin thread regarding these rules, but at 17 pages, my eyes were going buggy and I didn't see the question I'm going to ask.
Is flipping the image horizontally and/or vertically acceptable? |
Nope -- you'll have to take your shot using a mirror. |
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