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04/01/2004 09:52:12 AM · #51 |
I am hoping for some constructive comments on my entry, I have what I concider a good photograph this time and if it does suck I really want to know why.
Started in the high 5s this morning and now lying in the high 4s ! |
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04/01/2004 09:56:07 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
[snip] I never put much weight into the first 48 hours of voting, much less the first 4 or 5. |
I wish the challenge had ended last night when I had a 7.25, my best score ever. 8^) This morning it̢۪s down to 5.8. :-|
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04/01/2004 10:02:40 AM · #53 |
I have no idea how my score is doing yet. I made myself a rule long ago that I won't look at my score until I finish voting on all the other entries. It helps keep me honest. From reading all the other posts, it is probalby keeping me sane as well. I used to get depressed when an early high score dropped the second day (this happened almost every challenge). Now I just sit back and relax until 2-3 days after the start of voting.
On the other hand, I have voted on 13% of the shots so far and am IMPRESSED. I have only given one 3 (nothing lower) and more 6's and 7's than 4's.
Lots of great stuff out there. Congratulations to all who entered. |
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04/01/2004 10:14:05 AM · #54 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
All this talk about scores so early in the voting process is somewhat amusing. A couple 1's or 2's this early will have a much larger effect on your score now than they will at the end of the week, when you have 200 votes and that 1 vote you got earlier today is only accounting for 1/2% of your score.
Relax, let the week play out, and at the end when it is all said and done, you'll have just as valid an accounting of your score as everyone else. I never put much weight into the first 48 hours of voting, much less the first 4 or 5. You need a much larger statistical sample than that. |
I understand what you are saying Eddy, but with this being a free study & a member challenge, seeing 1's go through on an image that is very good technically, even if they don't like the subject, is a bit disheartening. I watched my score go BACKWARDS last night. Did someone find a -1 button that I don't know about?? lol
I didn't expect these types of scoring games in a member challenge. I figured the members were the serious ones.
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04/01/2004 10:29:14 AM · #55 |
Originally posted by moodville:
[quote=EddyG]
Relax, let the week play out, and at the end when it is all said and done, you'll have just as valid an accounting of your score as everyone else. I never put much weight into the first 48 hours of voting, much less the first 4 or 5. You need a much larger statistical sample than that. |
Sorry Eddy, but statiscally speaking the voting sucks and without reason shown by any comments at all. TOOO many rush to vote and while they may be entitled to their opinion, a click on a number is meaningless if a low score is given without a explanation as to why! I read a remark the other day that someone was under the mistaken impression that you must Comment on 20% of the pictures for your votes to count. That is, unfortunately, not the case as far I can see, but even if it were 10% you might see a lot less senseless and frankly demoralizing quick voting.
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04/01/2004 10:57:33 AM · #56 |
Originally posted by banmorn:
I read a remark the other day that someone was under the mistaken impression that you must Comment on 20% of the pictures for your votes to count. That is, unfortunately, not the case as far I can see, but even if it were 10% you might see a lot less senseless and frankly demoralizing quick voting. |
I disagree. I think if there was a 10% commenting requirement, folks would vote on images just like they normally do (and at the same speed), then go back and add comments on the ones they scored highly (like "nice shot!" or "this is awesome!") to get to the 10% requirement.
I think the problem is more related to what mag9999 alluded to: people can see their own score, so they attempt to vote other pics lower to improve their ranking. This is called "self-serving voting", and it is when people see they are only getting a "5.31", think that their picture is better than most of the pictures in the challenge, so the highest vote they'll give is a 5, even to a terrific photo. Since a lot of people want to see "what their competition is", these are the type of voters that are likely to vote early... |
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04/01/2004 11:00:05 AM · #57 |
| The other option is it is april's fools and tis possible a person/group of people are playing one large practical joke by giving out ones. If so should clear itself up. |
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04/01/2004 11:02:51 AM · #58 |
Originally posted by LtHousLady:
seeing 1's go through on an image that is very good technically, even if they don't like the subject, is a bit disheartening. |
I know this comes up on a weekly basis, but it is perfectly reasonable to vote with something like
1- boring, not my cup of tea
10-really like the subject
Or even
1- technically terrible but I love the subject
10-technically brilliant even though I think it is the most boring thing ever.
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04/01/2004 11:12:56 AM · #59 |
I guess I just don't find it reasonable to score a 1 just cuz an otherwise nice photo isn't your cup of tea. To me, 1's are bottom of the barrel & should be reserved for such images.
I'm likely to believe Eddy's theory about people trying to take out the competition. I'm a synical NYer. It's cut throat around here ;)
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04/01/2004 11:15:42 AM · #60 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by LtHousLady:
seeing 1's go through on an image that is very good technically, even if they don't like the subject, is a bit disheartening. |
I know this comes up on a weekly basis, but it is perfectly reasonable to vote with something like
1- boring, not my cup of tea
10-really like the subject
Or even
1- technically terrible but I love the subject
10-technically brilliant even though I think it is the most boring thing ever. |
If I understand you correctly, Gordon, then an arbitrary and capricious vote is 'perfectly reasonable'. I'd say that, given the nature of this site, that's to be expected. That still doesn't make it any less frustrating, esp. when any 'reasonable' person knows that standards can be understood and adhered to.
We really don't have any standards here, other than a hollow 1-10 scale. In other words, any interpretation of how that scale is applied goes, right?
It may be wishful thinking, but I'd prefer being measured by a less capricious set of standards. Do you think that might ever happen here? |
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04/01/2004 11:19:16 AM · #61 |
I find the submissions in this challenge to be better then ever, a lot of really good shots here. Too many flowershots and birdshots, but this time most of them are really well done. I probably gave my highest average score ever, sadly many great shots will get a lower score than they should, the competition is hard this time. The winner should get two ribbons....
Tyrkinn |
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04/01/2004 11:21:30 AM · #62 |
Maybe a group is playing some april fooling game then theyll correct theyr votes and post a "HAHA". Excuse my naive optimism :)
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04/01/2004 11:26:04 AM · #63 |
The best photo picked "by majority" is going to win regardless of the voting system. I really dont understand the score complaints week in and week out.
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04/01/2004 11:28:44 AM · #64 |
Originally posted by scab-lab:
The best photo picked "by majority" is going to win regardless of the voting system. I really dont understand the score complaints week in and week out. |
I think the difference this week is the unusually low voting pattern being shown on the majority of images, coupled with a severe drop overnight that surpasses most peoples' usual overnight on the first day drop.
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04/01/2004 11:30:57 AM · #65 |
Originally posted by moodville:
Originally posted by scab-lab:
The best photo picked "by majority" is going to win regardless of the voting system. I really dont understand the score complaints week in and week out. |
I think the difference this week is the unusually low voting pattern being shown on the majority of images, coupled with a severe drop overnight that surpasses most peoples' usual overnight on the first day drop. |
Exactly :) |
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04/01/2004 11:36:48 AM · #66 |
So its safe to say then that everyones score is dropping the same way. Or is it just the the people in this thread being singled out?
Not trying to deprive anyone from venting on their scores. But these post come up every week, and fuel these conspiracy scenarios. Maybe Im naive to think that "the best majority voted photo" wins. What the hell do I know.
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04/01/2004 11:39:21 AM · #67 |
Originally posted by scab-lab:
The best photo picked "by majority" is going to win regardless of the voting system. I really dont understand the score complaints week in and week out. |
I don't agree that this should be in this forum, but we all want to vent our feelings sometimes. Nothing wrong with that.
My picture is doing fairly horribly! I would like to complain, but my shots just generally aren't accepted here (and aren't that great because I am still learning). I like candids and nature. I don't always get a perfect condition for my pics. Not to take anything away from studio shots - I have tried them and have taken hundreds of shots and many hours setting them up. But I like to be able to capture a moment in the making - not something set up. Just has deeper meaning to me. Not as easy to get a decent shot sometimes and definitely not as widely accepted here at DPC. But oh well. I enjoy them and taking them and seeing who likes them and who doesn't.
And there are some amazing shots in this challenge! So many to vote on though. :( |
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04/01/2004 11:39:23 AM · #68 |
I think Langdon and Drew changed the code today so that all votes are divided by 2. So I am just going to do the mental math and multiply mine by 2 back to it's true score ;)
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04/01/2004 11:41:46 AM · #69 |
Is it just me, or do we all feel as vulnerable as an American Idol contestant?! ;)
I just watched my votes plunge too - and I thought it was one of my best shots. In fact, the one I submitted to blur was not as good technically or artistically, and it's doing better. Oh well. That's just the nature of this site. Gotta have a thick skin. I can tell you that in the 12 or 13 challenges I've contributed, I've learned a ton and it's helped my photography in other areas... so this place is definitely worth-while, even with the low scores.
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04/01/2004 09:14:20 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
I think Langdon and Drew changed the code today so that all votes are divided by 2. So I am just going to do the mental math and multiply mine by 2 back to it's true score ;) |
YAY! Some one who feels the same way as I do! I think it's an April Fools scam! |
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04/01/2004 09:16:37 PM · #71 |
| Same amount of votes yet the score moved 3 times. C'mon a tiny bit to make below 4.0. |
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