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05/03/2008 09:39:20 AM · #1 |
I see some challenge photos lately, and some winners as well (no pointing fingers here, just ranting out) that the owner says "Inspired by this photo" or that photo. When I check the original photo, it's about the same... identical. It's like copying the exact idea.
Inspiration should make you creative and have you do things differently but using the same concept... instead of copying it from the original.
I mean I can go out copy same idea take exact same photo and get good scores... would that be fair?
Some people here won't enter to challenges because they can't come up with good shooting ideas, so we probably encourage people "Oh, that's ok, if you can't find any ideas, just copy some others"
PS: I am only talking about the challenge entries (There were at least couple last few challenges)... personal studies are learning purposes only, and I do respect that.
PS2: Is giving credit to the original creator of the idea at the end of the challenge justify everything? I probably should read the comments all the time, but I don't and I give all the credit to the last owner, without even thinking if there is any other under it. |
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05/03/2008 06:41:05 PM · #2 |
I do agree with you somewhat
I think if you are going to copy someones work, at least put a little piece of your own twist to it.
But then in saying that, it is hard copying a shot as you have to get it just perfect or it will be compared to the other shot
learning how to do it is just as important as doing it |
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05/03/2008 08:12:38 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
learning how to do it is just as important as doing it |
I would agree with you if the photo in question is not to be used in a competition. Entering a literal copy of someone else's work is more than a bit cheesy in my opinion.
I've also seen very creative original photos do poorly in DPC challenge voting while the ‘creative’ and ‘original’ copies of past winners go on to win the ribbons. If all you care about is the ribbons, then I guess it pays to copy the winners.
Message edited by author 2008-05-03 20:13:08. |
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05/05/2008 12:28:51 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by Mick:
If all you care about is the ribbons, then I guess it pays to copy the winners. |
It would be very interesting to find out how many "copies" have ribboned.
For what it's worth, we have had challenges where we were called upon to try and reproduce previous submissions, and it was very interesting to see how these images fared compared to the original.
Personally, I have no problems with anyone trying to replicate any given image, and would venture to say that since the voters have something to compare with, it could very well be that the duplicate's score could suffer.
Just a thought,
Ray |
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05/07/2008 01:33:28 PM · #5 |
| well going from the recent challenge, it certainly doesnt look that way |
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05/07/2008 02:00:53 PM · #6 |
 here's one. When this one beat my image, I had no one to blame but myself (I gave it a high score :P) |
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05/07/2008 02:29:52 PM · #7 |
Healthy Food Challenge
 
The first apple is the Healthy Food Challenge Blue Ribbon winners image from The Username Challenge II.
The second apple is the Yellow Ribbon winner from Healthy Food.
eta: I'm not calling it a copycat shot just a coincidence...I think?
Message edited by author 2008-05-07 14:31:52. |
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05/07/2008 02:41:26 PM · #8 |
We're playing a game here. One way to win the game (historically) is to enter a shot that is very similar to one that has ribboned in the past. Since this does not violate any rules, I think it's a perfectly valid method to use. If you (generic you) don't like this method, I recommend two things for you:
1. Don't use it
2. Vote down those images that do.
The only way to help determine who wins with what image is to vote.
I used this method once with great success. If you want to win a ribbon, I recommend it.
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05/07/2008 02:44:36 PM · #9 |
The second apple is not a copy of the first -- lighting, composition, and orientation are all different. It's exactly what someone suggested earlier; taking someone's idea and making your own version of it. Does anyone think no one should ever be able to take a picture of a wet apple from now on because the idea's been used?
Not to mention, plenty of people can come up with the same idea independently -- for example, there were several nuts-n-bolts skylines a few challenges back; none of which could have been "inspired by" or copied from the others .... |
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05/07/2008 03:00:24 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Not to mention, plenty of people can come up with the same idea independently -- for example, there were several nuts-n-bolts skylines a few challenges back; none of which could have been "inspired by" or copied from the others .... |
No but they were all copies of Carl Warner's photo.
//www.carlwarner.com/
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05/07/2008 03:05:24 PM · #11 |
| Carl Waner has the world's worst portfolio website. :-( |
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05/07/2008 03:10:42 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
The second apple is not a copy of the first -- lighting, composition, and orientation are all different. |
Not to split hairs but it's almost exactly the same as the first one. True it's reversed but the composition is almost dead on and the light is only fractionally different, if you study the shadow. Again, not to split hairs but I wouldn't call that much of a twist on the original.
Adiing that it is a solo apple shot and there's a reasonable limit in possible takes on that theme. Also true that people do come up with the same exact idea at the same time. Just some come up with the same idea months or years later.
Have I ever mentioned the time I came up with the saying "shit happens"...?
We even have a branch of government that's dedicated to doing the same thing over and over again.
The Department of Redundancy Department...better known as the Executive Branch.
Message edited by author 2008-05-07 15:16:07. |
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05/07/2008 03:17:29 PM · #13 |
My apple shot, taken a year before the first one. Not saying either is a copy of mine (mine looks so dull compared to those, I should have saturated it!).
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05/07/2008 03:23:33 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
The second apple is not a copy of the first -- lighting, composition, and orientation are all different. |
Not to split hairs but it's almost exactly the same as the first one. |
Almost ...
Can you honestly say that you could put those two photos in front of the average person and ask "Are these the same picture?" and expect an affirmative? |
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05/07/2008 03:49:11 PM · #15 |
Trying to recreate a shot is a great learning experience, well-suited for a site like this.
Rather generic shots such as the apple, and in the case of my 4th entry, straws, I don't believe are an attempt to copy. They're easy ideas to come up with or happen across. I was cleaning out cupboards when I was struck with the pattern in a box of straws and never even thought that maybe it had been entered before (newbie!).
Specific or elaborate set-ups are a different matter. Eyelashes, anyone could think of independantly. For example eyelashes with a teardrop, in blue, shot from that distance and angle, wouldn't likely be an coincidence.
But then, those folks aren't claiming originality, or trying to sell it as their own.
*rereads OP before continuing* Okay, I can see that a great deal of your disapproval stems from the fact that, during the challenge, that's pretty much what they ARE doing, by putting credit in notes that aren't available during voting.
I do agree with that and feel it should be in the title. |
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05/07/2008 03:54:40 PM · #16 |
I think if you are copying another picture you should say so in the title. there is nothing wrong with doing that, but give the voters a chance to vote down for it (I would).
It would be a tough rule to enforce, though. |
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05/07/2008 04:02:52 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
The second apple is not a copy of the first -- lighting, composition, and orientation are all different. |
Not to split hairs but it's almost exactly the same as the first one. |
Almost ...
Can you honestly say that you could put those two photos in front of the average person and ask "Are these the same picture?" and expect an affirmative? |
An educated photographer? Without a doubt would say it's the same image reversed. Is the lighting better in one, is the processing better? ...without question BUT it's still the same shot (reversed). Hell yeah!!!
An "average person" could obviously point out differences, as well but I'd bet most would probably go with an " it's the same shot" vote.
Keep in mind I also think Guns N' Roses version of "Knockin On Heavens Door" is the exact same as Claptons version. Just without the harmonica...Axl Roses horrible voice and the gnarly distortion. Same tune...nothing creative or new done to it.
I'm "old west" when it comes to that type of stuff. If you're doing a copy or a cover...make it your own. Especially if you're being paid.
BTW an really amazing cover of a tune is Cakes version of "I Will Survive". If you listen to that you'll know where I'm at on this topic. You don't have to like it but they kept true to the vibe of the song...gave it a male themed edge, totally changed the tone, the instrumentation and the beat. Props!
Cheers!
Message edited by author 2008-05-07 16:30:42. |
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05/07/2008 04:08:59 PM · #18 |
OK, I shot this image:
the same day (check the date!) that mpeters shot this image:
We were standing about 10-15 ft apart from each other. I was to his left (you can verify by the log in the middle of my image).
So...because I didn't enter mine until the "Best of '07" challenge does that mean I copied Mark with my shot?!! What about the other way around, what if I entered first? Because Mark is alot more "acknowledged" then myself, not too mention better at post-processing, is his the "original"?
PS. I would be honored if someone "copied" one of my shots and then posted in their comments section that I was where they got their "inspiration". I do know that there are those of you here that don't feel this way but this is just my personal opinion. Thanks -BB
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05/08/2008 07:13:40 AM · #19 |
I have to say i'm inclined to agree with the OP. I do see a lot of repetition in the challenge entries nowadays and I do see a lot of ribbons awarded to more or less the same shot. I've noticed this with one member in particular that I am amazed at... but then again, to the new members seeing the type of shot in question for the first time it must be incredible. It's only experienced members (arf) (i've only been here 12 months!) that see this more clearly.
Overall, it happens, I don't like it, but it happens. It's just when ppl cart it off as their own work that annoys me instead of giving props to the guy they got the idea from.
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05/08/2008 05:18:49 PM · #20 |
I thought I would share this. I am presently trying to recreate one of my OWN shots. It's interesting because I have the same lens and a different body but I assumed it would be totally possible - yet entirely difficult. I knew getting the right angle was going to be tough - and I even had a print-out in front of me while shooting it.
I had the right weather conditions and the quality of the image is good - however, since this image is SOOO dependent on the drama of the angle and the size of the duck compared to everything else, I think I missed it by quite a bit. It seems weird to try to recreate this but I want to use it for stock and I needed the resolution of the new camera.
Now if I can remember how I processed it!!! - Anyway, I guess my point is that copying an image really depends on the image itself. You would think that since I did this originally, it might be easy - NOPE! :)
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Trying to recreate a shot is a great learning experience, well-suited for a site like this. |
Message edited by author 2008-05-08 17:22:43. |
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05/08/2008 06:18:54 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by metatate:
I thought I would share this. I am presently trying to recreate one of my OWN shots. It's interesting because I have the same lens and a different body but I assumed it would be totally possible - yet entirely difficult. I knew getting the right angle was going to be tough - and I even had a print-out in front of me while shooting it.
I had the right weather conditions and the quality of the image is good - however, since this image is SOOO dependent on the drama of the angle and the size of the duck compared to everything else, I think I missed it by quite a bit. It seems weird to try to recreate this but I want to use it for stock and I needed the resolution of the new camera.
Now if I can remember how I processed it!!! - Anyway, I guess my point is that copying an image really depends on the image itself. You would think that since I did this originally, it might be easy - NOPE! :)
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Well, you did a good job on the angle... but the ripples in the water aren't quite the same. Try again. :P (smiley,in case it's not patently evident :))
Message edited by author 2008-05-08 18:19:19. |
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