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08/29/2007 05:25:31 PM · #1 |
Not sure if this has ever been an issue here, but it seems like a good policy.
If you enter a challenge, you should be expected to enter at least a 20% ballot to be eligible to place in the challenge. The last Quick Free Study had over 400 entrants and only about 160+ votes per image.
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08/29/2007 05:27:03 PM · #2 |
some would say that if you enter a challenge you shouldn't be allowed to vote at all.
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08/29/2007 05:30:03 PM · #3 |
| I think that's a good idea to not vote in the same challenge you have entered because there are some who would purposely vote lower. |
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08/29/2007 05:30:36 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
some would say that if you enter a challenge you shouldn't be allowed to vote at all. |
Yepp I am on this philosophy. |
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08/29/2007 05:32:16 PM · #5 |
I wish we should have a vote break down on our entries where it tells.
avg vote received from people who participated
and avg vote received from people who did not participate in that challenge. |
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08/29/2007 05:32:45 PM · #6 |
here come the animated popcorn icons
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08/29/2007 05:33:32 PM · #7 |
... and in addition to what Gordon said, there are a myriad of reasons why people might not vote such as:
- time constraints,
- holidays,
- work schedules,
- conscious decision not to vote on a challenge entered,
- personal bias on the challenge topic,
... and the list goes on.
Also, forcing people to vote could have a negative impact on the average scores doled out, as some people might not take to kindly to being coerced into 'voting'.
Sorry, but I for one do not agree with this suggestion, as it sounds a tad too draconian for my liking.
Ray
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08/29/2007 05:33:41 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
I wish we should have a vote break down on our entries where it tells.
avg vote received from people who participated
and avg vote received from people who did not participate in that challenge. |
that would actually be a very interesting statistic
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08/29/2007 05:34:39 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
I wish we should have a vote break down on our entries where it tells.
avg vote received from people who participated
and avg vote received from people who did not participate in that challenge. |
... is it possible I detect a "Troll Hunt" in this proposal?
Ray |
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08/29/2007 05:36:39 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
I wish we should have a vote break down on our entries where it tells.
avg vote received from people who participated
and avg vote received from people who did not participate in that challenge. |
I like that addition. |
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08/29/2007 05:40:07 PM · #11 |
If the arithmatic mean of your votes in the last six challenges you entered is more than 2 standard deviations below the geometric mean of of your votes in the last 11 challenges you did not enter, AND your image scores in the 70th percentile or higher, unless your average vote in the challenges you did enter is still higher than the average of all voters who did not enter the challenge, then two (2) members of the site counsel should be dispatched to your home to hold you down while a lemur poops in your mouth.
Of course, if you fail to vote 20% of the images in 4 or more of the challenges then an aye-aye will be substituted for the lemur. |
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08/29/2007 05:45:56 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
... is it possible I detect a "Troll Hunt" in this proposal?
Ray |
We have to have some way to get rid of anyone who thinks differently from the norm, after all.
I think a score of a 1-3 should be considered a thoughtcrime and punished appropriately.
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08/29/2007 05:54:11 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by eamurdock:
If the arithmatic mean of your votes in the last six challenges you entered is more than 2 standard deviations below the geometric mean of of your votes in the last 11 challenges you did not enter, AND your image scores in the 70th percentile or higher, unless your average vote in the challenges you did enter is still higher than the average of all voters who did not enter the challenge, then two (2) members of the site counsel should be dispatched to your home to hold you down while a lemur poops in your mouth.
Of course, if you fail to vote 20% of the images in 4 or more of the challenges then an aye-aye will be substituted for the lemur. |
This sounds like a challenge suggestion!
But what's an "aye-aye"?
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08/29/2007 05:55:51 PM · #14 |
| There seems to be a recurring theme in these posts. Basically that there are too many photos to vote on, comment on, etc. Why not just limit the number of photos allowed in any one challenge. It could be a daily limit spread out over the full week, ie if the max is 200 photos 30 per day and if the previous day's allocation is not met then it rolls forward to the next day. |
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08/29/2007 05:58:48 PM · #15 |
Question:
How long after a horse is dead and beaten, can you safely serve it for human consumption?
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08/29/2007 05:59:22 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by codfish:
There seems to be a recurring theme in these posts. Basically that there are too many photos to vote on, comment on, etc. Why not just limit the number of photos allowed in any one challenge. It could be a daily limit spread out over the full week, ie if the max is 200 photos 30 per day and if the previous day's allocation is not met then it rolls forward to the next day. |
Does that work to improve or reduce the quality of entries ?
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08/29/2007 05:59:37 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by codfish:
There seems to be a recurring theme in these posts. Basically that there are too many photos to vote on, comment on, etc. Why not just limit the number of photos allowed in any one challenge. It could be a daily limit spread out over the full week, ie if the max is 200 photos 30 per day and if the previous day's allocation is not met then it rolls forward to the next day. |
...and what would stop people from simply entering any old photo just too ensure that they have a spot reserved in any specific challenge?
I can see it now... 200 eager beavers eagerly awaiting the turnover and the new challenges and performing rapid photo entries.
Ray |
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08/29/2007 06:01:27 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
I wish we should have a vote break down on our entries where it tells.
avg vote received from people who participated
and avg vote received from people who did not participate in that challenge. |
That is a solid idea.....
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08/29/2007 06:01:47 PM · #19 |
| Lemur poop? What if we can't find a lemur ready to go? How bout an eamur ? |
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08/29/2007 06:02:01 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Question:
How long after a horse is dead and beaten, can you safely serve it for human consumption? |
This horse is now past the beaten stage... pulverized comes to mind... Good for "Purée" for old folks like me that can't chew so well.
Ray
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08/29/2007 06:11:37 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by zxaar:
I wish we should have a vote break down on our entries where it tells.
avg vote received from people who participated
and avg vote received from people who did not participate in that challenge. |
... is it possible I detect a "Troll Hunt" in this proposal?
Ray |
Maybe I misunderstood his proposal but I thought he was suggesting taking all the votes casts in a challenge and simply producing two averages from it, that is those who entered the challenge and those who didn't. No names would be known. Basically, like the average we already have from those without a camera. I think that would be an interesting stat and be informative to the photographer. If those who enter challenges always scored lower then the other stat would tell the photographer what their true connection was with the audience more so than the overall score, which includes the competitive bias element.
Message edited by author 2007-08-29 18:13:23. |
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08/29/2007 06:12:50 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by yanko:
If those who enter challenges always scored lower then the other stat would tell the photographer what their true connection was with the audience more so than the overall score. |
Yup, because nobody would take that sort of result to mean that everyone else who entered the challenge was a dirty, cheating troll who voted the photo down to help their own :)
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08/29/2007 06:13:32 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by zxaar:
I wish we should have a vote break down on our entries where it tells.
avg vote received from people who participated
and avg vote received from people who did not participate in that challenge. |
... is it possible I detect a "Troll Hunt" in this proposal?
Ray |
Maybe I misunderstood his proposal but I thought he was suggesting taking all the votes casts in a challenge and simply producing two averages from it, that is those who entered the challenge and those who didn't. No names would be known. Basically, like the average we already have from those without a camera. I think that would be an interesting stat and be informative to the photographer. If those who enter challenges always scored lower then the other stat would tell the photographer what their true connection was with the audience more so than the overall score. |
exactly.
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08/29/2007 06:13:49 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by yanko:
If those who enter challenges always scored lower then the other stat would tell the photographer what their true connection was with the audience more so than the overall score. |
Yup, because nobody would take that sort of result to mean that everyone else who entered the challenge was a dirty, cheating troll who voted the photo down to help their own :) |
Well they would be saying it about themselves too. No? |
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08/29/2007 06:18:39 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
This horse is now past the beaten stage... pulverized comes to mind... |
Might be old news to you/us, but there are always newcomers to this site - to THEM it is a very fresh idea, certainly worth discussion. |
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