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 08/30/2007 12:45:37 AM · #26
The Leica logo would also make it a more prominent theft target.
08/30/2007 01:01:47 AM · #27
Hopefully if the thieves know about Leica, they'll know enough to realize those things are just Panasonics with a red dot and different color dye in the plastic...

Message edited by author 2007-08-30 01:02:09.
 08/30/2007 02:09:34 AM · #28
Originally posted by papagei:
I have looked at reviews and keep coming back to the Panasonic Lumix and am looking at the CNet review of the Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ50K right now.

the Panasonic Lumix is a fine choice, but as of the current offerings, i'd suggest you choose the FZ-18 over the FZ-50, because i've heard nothing but good stuff about the new Leica lens on the FZ-18. it goes from 28-504 in 2 speeds, and it has zero barrel or pin-cushion distortion at all zoom positions.
 08/30/2007 02:21:25 AM · #29
Ditto crayon on the Panny. So far, higher ISO has not been great. (Hopeful of improvement in the FZ18, because it is a great lens and the P bodies are really nice to use).

With reference to DOF. If you use telephoto you significantly alter the DOF. (I'm not a whizz, so I wonder why this hasn't been mentioned).
 08/30/2007 02:59:53 AM · #30
in fixed lense cameras Sony R1 has no parallel (I am biased because I have one, but I do not dream of buying dSLR, because I have R1).
 08/30/2007 04:43:17 AM · #31
<----- This is a great fixed lens camera Fugi s9500 I like the range and having a CF card. Also having a 28mm start its a big advantage
 08/30/2007 04:46:55 AM · #32
Originally posted by Shadowi6:
<----- This is a great fixed lens camera Fugi s9500 I like the range and having a CF card. Also having a 28mm start its a big advantage


I also used to own the S9500 and it is a great camera for the cost. You can do so much with it. I loved that it had manual zoom. The only one thing I wasn't really happy with was the time lag between the shots while it was writing to the card. Because I do a bit of portraiture, particularly with childen I found I was missing great shots while waiting for the camera to get ready for the next shot.
 08/30/2007 11:12:07 AM · #33
Thanks for the new batch of cameras to check out!
I am waiting for the paperwork from the insurance and then I will have a better idea of what they are willing to give me. Considering that none of my equipment (the loss is $8400) was covered by a separate rider, I will be grateful for what they give me :)

As to time lag (S9500), I will have to accept less than what I had. The one area I am unwilling to budge on, is image quality - noise. I had the Minolta A2 and everything was wonderful about the camera (macros and such) but image noise was awful!

Just glanced at dpreview's page on the Sony DSC-R1. While it looks nice, the zoom is lame at only 120mm and I will be in severe withdrawal :) Does this have optional lens attachments and if so, do they work well?

Sony's DSC-H7 has a nice zoom to 486mm, but the DSC-H9 has night-shot capabilities. I had the Sony 717 I used for IR and that was stolen too. Does anyone here have experience with the DSC-H9? I am particularly interested in noise levels and the macro / telephoto quality.

Thanks!


08/30/2007 12:05:35 PM · #34
P&S noise Thread

This DPC thread may be useful. It's from a couple of months ago though, and there may be newer equipment out now.
08/30/2007 12:09:51 PM · #35
Wow, that's such bad news for you. Losing a 5D is a little like losing your pet cat, you could get another one but... dangit!

Just be glad you live somewhere where an insurance company will even pay attention to you. Nothing like that over here, the fraud capital of the world.

If they give you a lot, I'd say look at another 5D, maybe check the second hand market. the 14mm f/2.8 looks pretty amazing.

Alternately, you could consider the Nikon D3...... with the 14-24mm f/2.8 it was lens that they released with it.. yummers.

Oh yeah. No P&S can come anywhere near the 5D for noise. The best they can do is pretend with noise reduction... simply not acceptable.

Message edited by author 2007-08-30 12:38:28.
 08/30/2007 02:22:52 PM · #36
So far, after balancing it all out and deciding what I can give up, I am leaning towards the Leica - over the Panasonic. Even though they are considered the same, I have read in 2 places that the Leica image processing parameters make the difference in image quality. IF this is true, then I would be willing to spend the extra bucks. Also important, it has the Diopter Adjustment.

Does anyone have the Leica V-LUX 1?

Message edited by author 2007-08-30 14:32:22.
 08/30/2007 02:25:22 PM · #37
Originally posted by papagei:
So far, after balancing it all out and deciding what I can give up, I am leaning towards the Leica - over the Panasonic. Even though they are considered the same, I have read in 2 places that the Leica image processing parameters make the difference in image quality. IF this is true, then I would be willing to spend the extra bucks.

Does anyone have the Leica V-LUX 1?


Check the equipment section: (for those who have indicated a Leica camera)

//www.dpchallenge.com/camera.php?search=Leica

It doesn't look like it's in the dpc database.

Message edited by author 2007-08-30 14:26:01.
 08/30/2007 02:33:07 PM · #38
Originally posted by papagei:
So far, after balancing it all out and deciding what I can give up, I am leaning towards the Leica - over the Panasonic. Even though they are considered the same, I have read in 2 places that the Leica image processing parameters make the difference in image quality.


Are they reputable sources, or just someone in a forum ? When I bought mine it was pretty much certain that the Leica version was just rebranded and a premium put on it for Leica fans.

Not saying that it isn't true, but it seems highly unlikely. ETA - I see dpreview is saying that too. I guess if you aren't going to shoot in RAW it could well be worth the money.

Message edited by author 2007-08-30 14:35:42.
 08/30/2007 02:34:26 PM · #39
I did find this:
//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=search&id=269707

Off to read it now.
 08/30/2007 02:40:39 PM · #40
Here it mentions the Image Processing Parameters (differ from panasonic)
//www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Leica/leica_vlux1.asp

And yes, the other reference was a customer review:
"The other criticism made in reviews is that the Panasonic version is less expensive for the same camera. They certainly share the same lens and body, but Leica has adjusted the image processing to provide more smooth jpeg images, use less aggressive noise reduction (to retain more detail at ISO above 200), and to match the color and contrast characteristics of traditional film shot with Leica cameras. I miss the color palette of Leica lenses that I used to see in my photographs with my Leica M6, and I'm very glad that the V-lux is tuned to provide that. "
at Amazon
//www.amazon.com/Leica-10-1MP-Digital-Optical-Stabilized/dp/B000J6E1LY

Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by papagei:
So far, after balancing it all out and deciding what I can give up, I am leaning towards the Leica - over the Panasonic. Even though they are considered the same, I have read in 2 places that the Leica image processing parameters make the difference in image quality.


Are they reputable sources, or just someone in a forum ? When I bought mine it was pretty much certain that the Leica version was just rebranded and a premium put on it for Leica fans.

Not saying that it isn't true, but it seems highly unlikely.

08/30/2007 02:51:17 PM · #41
Originally posted by papagei:


And yes, the other reference was a customer review:
"The other criticism made in reviews is that the Panasonic version is less expensive for the same camera. They certainly share the same lens and body, but Leica has adjusted the image processing to provide more smooth jpeg images, use less aggressive noise reduction (to retain more detail at ISO above 200), and to match the color and contrast characteristics of traditional film shot with Leica cameras. I miss the color palette of Leica lenses that I used to see in my photographs with my Leica M6, and I'm very glad that the V-lux is tuned to provide that. "
at Amazon
//www.amazon.com/Leica-10-1MP-Digital-Optical-Stabilized/dp/B000J6E1LY


Wow - is it really $400 more for a custom colour curve and some tweaked sharpening settings ? I'm assuming I'm looking at the right cameras on amazon. I could see that they might charge a bit of a premium for the Leica badge and software tweaks, but twice as much ? Might be worth looking for side by side samples to see if you can see anything worth spending that much for, when it could be done in RAW mode with either camera ? Depends a lot on how or if you like to process your images though, if its worth it I suppose.

Message edited by author 2007-08-30 14:53:33.
 08/30/2007 03:03:15 PM · #42
Ok, you all knew it would happen....looking at SLRs again....at the Olympus E-510 at the moment.

I had the 3030Z years ago but am still amazed at the quality of the images I have from it - no noise!!!

Ingrid

Message edited by author 2007-08-30 15:03:29.
 08/30/2007 03:05:10 PM · #43
You are right, especially working from an assumption only.

Ingrid
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by papagei:


And yes, the other reference was a customer review:
"The other criticism made in reviews is that the Panasonic version is less expensive for the same camera. They certainly share the same lens and body, but Leica has adjusted the image processing to provide more smooth jpeg images, use less aggressive noise reduction (to retain more detail at ISO above 200), and to match the color and contrast characteristics of traditional film shot with Leica cameras. I miss the color palette of Leica lenses that I used to see in my photographs with my Leica M6, and I'm very glad that the V-lux is tuned to provide that. "
at Amazon
//www.amazon.com/Leica-10-1MP-Digital-Optical-Stabilized/dp/B000J6E1LY


Wow - is it really $400 more for a custom colour curve and some tweaked sharpening settings ? I'm assuming I'm looking at the right cameras on amazon. I could see that they might charge a bit of a premium for the Leica badge and software tweaks, but twice as much ? Might be worth looking for side by side samples to see if you can see anything worth spending that much for, when it could be done in RAW mode with either camera ? Depends a lot on how or if you like to process your images though, if its worth it I suppose.

08/31/2007 01:48:27 AM · #44
Originally posted by papagei:
Ok, you all knew it would happen....looking at SLRs again....at the Olympus E-510 at the moment.

I had the 3030Z years ago but am still amazed at the quality of the images I have from it - no noise!!!

Ingrid


Looking at DPReview. it seems that Oly's are on the poor end of noise performance.

If looking at a low end DSLR, why not check around for a used Nikon D70s? I've seen them here body only for 17000 NT dollars which is around 560 USD. A 50mm f/1.8 and a decent wide angle might be fun. Get you started towards that drool-worthy D3...
 08/31/2007 02:19:58 AM · #45
Just get a Rebel XT or XTI and a Tamron 18-250 if you're going the SLR route, IMO. Stick with what you know.
 08/31/2007 10:34:07 PM · #46
Just came across these sample shots for the Oly Evolt E-510 and I am impressed!
Review

Message edited by author 2007-08-31 22:34:16.
 08/31/2007 11:59:19 PM · #47
Back to the Fixed Lens discussion - wait for this.

Sure, it's Casio & it's still in prototype, but wow.
60fps still image burst / 300fps video

As discussed in this thread.
 09/01/2007 11:37:20 AM · #48
Thanks for the links. It's a sweet camera :)

If I were to go back to an SLR, I decided on the Canon 400D. Undecided on a fixed-lens at this time. But I have to wait anyway to see what funds I might have for all of this.

I was out at the local pawn shops this morning with my list of stolen items. I also found the tracks of the thieves yesterday when a neighbor found some software CDs and my Epson P-2000 in their back yard. There is a path leading along the creek to another street through fields and woods (who knew that was here in Wichita?) and I found my orange lighter there on a rock wall. The SOBs sat down for a smoke or something!

My son and I scoured the woods and area but no lenses :(

Ingrid

Originally posted by roba:
Back to the Fixed Lens discussion - wait for this.

Sure, it's Casio & it's still in prototype, but wow.
60fps still image burst / 300fps video

As discussed in this thread.

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