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08/22/2007 04:24:41 PM · #101 |
Originally posted by JaimeVinas:
I have to say that in my Opinion,the bridge pictures (urban and Free study) are similar yet not identical. Both pictures are good shots and worthy of ribbons. However, this said, what prevents someone else in the future to take the same setting move an object here a little and shoot it from a slight different angle and submit it to several challenges the image fits?
I mean if people started to do this, would most of us be ok with that? (Imagine the time it would save most of us if we started to do this)
The answer is yours, I think the contestant was clever in knowing how to get around the rules, but hey! It didn’t break the rules. So I won’t complain. |
He didn't get around the rules. Getting around the rules would mean that there are rules about this that he got around. There are no rules that speak on submitting two images from one shoot.
For myself, if that happens frequently in the future (people submitting similar shots to two challenges and winning), I'll worry about it then.
Message edited by author 2007-08-22 16:26:55. |
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08/22/2007 04:33:13 PM · #102 |
Good pictures with mass appeal win challenges. Meeting the challenge criteria is an after-thought and, as ribbon winning shots have proved time and again, irrelevant.
The site has no mechanism in place to force pictures to adhere to the challenge description nor apparent inclination to do so. Easier just to accept it than get bent about it. |
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08/22/2007 05:00:02 PM · #103 |
Somehow the (side) discussion in tis thread reminded me of the husband/wife pair of ribbons and the discussion around them...
 
Then I stumbled on this one...
And then by one photographer 9 months apart....
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I'm sure there are plenty more. Seconds or minutes or months...what difference does it really make that there are similar ways to interpret and re-interpret a subject?
As to the OP's suggestion to do away with challenge descriptions...well, it's part of what we do here. It's part of the appeal. It's part of the learning process. This suggestion combined with the other one about eliminating titles and everything could be a free-study. Jeesh! ;-) |
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08/22/2007 05:18:11 PM · #104 |
I'm not a fan of the double entry. I purposely didn't vote on the second bridge because of this. However, it's not illegal. I personally feel there is a difference between entering two pictures from the same shoot (like was done in the bridge case) and entering two similar shots taken at different times (ala Irene). It's actually harder than you might think to recreate a shot. Hell, I've tried to do it on purpose and I'm more often than not less pleased with the redo.
So, to sum up: Two shots from the same shoot gets a :(. Similar shots from different shoots gets a :| to a :).
I don't run the site though...so feel free to ignore all this.
Message edited by author 2007-08-22 17:18:33.
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08/22/2007 05:55:35 PM · #105 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
...It's actually harder than you might think to recreate a shot. Hell, I've tried to do it on purpose and I'm more often than not less pleased with the redo.
So, to sum up: Two shots from the same shoot gets a :(. Similar shots from different shoots gets a :| to a :).
I don't run the site though...so feel free to ignore all this. |
I can appreciate the difficulty of redoing a shot...or of imitating someone else's shot but I don't vote anonymous images on that basis. I vote them on their impact, executions, fitness for the challenge, etc.
I can hardly wait for the "Best of 2007" challenge discussion!
I (obviously) have no problem with the idea that a shot for a topical challenge was repeated in a "Free Study." It's a FREE study, isn't it? The editing parameters were different...maybe the photographer challenged himself by editing two similar shots differently? Doesn't matter to me.
BTW, I don't run the site either. I wouldn't want to run the site. ...and I'm usually ignored anyway. ;)
edit for the inevitable typo and the fact that I forgot a smiley
Message edited by author 2007-08-22 17:57:20. |
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08/22/2007 05:57:56 PM · #106 |
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08/22/2007 06:07:34 PM · #107 |
Originally posted by pekesty:
Did somebody say something? |
BOO! |
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08/22/2007 06:10:01 PM · #108 |
Similar shots to me is a question thought many times. Whenever some challenge is announced which has already happened, I always think that it would be easy to go to last time's winner and repeat it. It may not win again but would definitely score higher. Could have done it many times. But recreating shot for learning is one thing but putting them in challenge does not sound good to me.
But if someone wants to do it, I do not mind. There are no rules against it.
On a lighter note, I think I fall under DPC poverty line. (Avg vote recieved < 5 ). He he he. |
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08/22/2007 06:20:55 PM · #109 |
I am reading this thread with a great deal of amusement because I personally think that the true definition of the Rural Landscape description got slapped around all over the place.
A rural landscape is the typical "Pastoral Countryside" farm-type, house, barn, fences, tractors, plows, heartland kind of thing. I live in this type of country, have my whole life, and there were definitely top 10 winners that were not typically and by definition rural landscapes.
As a matter of fact, the 9th place entry, The Meadow at Lindenwood Farm, is a shoehorn job that relied on its title to ID it as a rural shot IMNSHO.
I did that on purpose, and used the shot 'cause when I processed it it seemed totally DPC friendly and I thought it'd do well. It did! I could take a half dozen shots of that exact location to verify that it is in fact a rural setting, but the really funny thing about it is that the farm is only still there because the owner has a stupid lot of money and has been able to fight off the onslaught of urban expansion. The farm is surrounded with expensive housing developments and trust me, the developers are just waiting for this guy to die off so that his heirs will all get rich subdividing up the place. Where I live is much more rural, but this shot is much prettier.
I originally voted the #2 shot a 6 on its merits as a shot but DNMC because it is *NOT* a rural landscape, but I felt that was dishonest when I considered what I did with my entry so I gave it what I thought it deserved all the way around and bumped my vote to an eight. There are swimming holes like this in some of the more hilly rural areas, like up in the high farm country of West Virginia. I was amused to discover that the actual setting appears to be somewhere in the Middle East.
I voted it higher than Alex's entry because although I see deer all the time where I live, which is a combination of rural, and wooded, deer are not livestock, so I bombed it for that. The fact that deer get run over on the four lane highway 'cause they wander too close to the city does not make them urban dwellers IMO. They are a typical part of rural settings because they come out of the woods to feed on the corn and visit the salt licks that farmers put out.......to shoot their dumb @$$e$ for meat 'cause you can shoot 'em any old time if they're on your farm out of season and without a hunting license. Just a rural tidbit....8>). But that shot didn't make the definition for me. The voters didn't agree, and Alex adds another ribbon to his virtual trophy cabinet. Do I resent him for it? Of course, but not because the shot DNMCs for me but because the dude's just better at getting ribbons than me. I am having much more fun with challenges by doing the best I can to figure out what I can do to do well with the voters than nit-picking and worrying that the people that beat me didn't meet the challenge by definition, AS I SEE IT!!!!
I'm also feeling much more magnanimous following my PB and top 10 finish!.....LOL!!!
I found out a while back that it's a lot less stress to just do your best and not get tangled up in getting too literal about challenge descriptions. I'd like to end up this version of my fifty cent opinion with a quote from one of the photogs I admire.....who I won't put on the spot by naming him.
"If something looks like it met the challenge and a reasonable viewer believes that to be true, then it does meet the challenge. Reality be damned."
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