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01/15/2004 07:25:21 AM · #1 |
It seems to me it would be very helpful to see comments about a photo - perhaps restricted in some way (i.e. length, no locations given or something like that) as it would help in voting. There are times that I think a photo is very original (or get comments on my own to that effect) but I don't quite understand what the photographer was going for. Perhaps this along with making comments anonymous 'til after the challenge would be a good thing. I have some comments on a current challenge that indicate that some 'got' my shot, and several others that would indicate they didn't. Part of me would like to PM each of these to explain, but that doesn't seem right to me while a challenge is ongoing. So, I'll 'suffer' in silence, LOL. I also realize that a photo should be able to stand on it's own merits without a lengthy explanation - just a couple lines to set up the shot would help.
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01/15/2004 07:27:37 AM · #2 |
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01/15/2004 07:29:26 AM · #3 |
I disagree 100%.
You should vote based on what you see and what you feel rather than letting other comments influence your decision.
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01/15/2004 07:33:31 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I disagree 100%.
You should vote based on what you see and what you feel rather than letting other comments influence your decision. |
I agree with John, if you need to explain your reasoning behind a photo has it really worked? |
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01/15/2004 07:33:32 AM · #5 |
| This is not visible during the voting time, to preserve comtestants identity. If I give the infor that a photo was taken in X or Y place, that is in a peculiar country, you quickly know what user taked it. Other issue is that here is a Photographic contest, not a photographic description contest. When voting I don´t read the title of a photo at first look, to don´t use it in my jugde. We need to undesrtand the message only looking to the picture itself. But, if you like so much of a photo, and like to view his detais, simply add it to your favorites (to simplify), wait for the challenge results, go to your favorites and view the details, comments and other things. If don´t like it moore, simply remove from your favorites. |
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01/15/2004 07:39:25 AM · #6 |
While I understand your suggestion (my current POV suffers from the same problem) I do think that the addition of the comments is not such a good idea.
I do see DPC as a place that teaches us to make images that speak by themselves: the viewer should be sucked into the image and make up the story in and with the image in his brain.
If the story can only be told by some longer comment (right now the title is already a good place to bring in the intention using text) the viewer has to step out of the image to get it. And that's not good at all, because the site is about pictures at first.
So when I have a "misunderstood" image, I put in on me and try to not redo the mistake.
Jörg |
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01/15/2004 07:41:37 AM · #7 |
That's why I said do not allow locations to be shown in the descriptor line. Frankly, there have been several shots which I overlooked because they didn't "grab" me, but if I'd understood how they were achieved I'd have probably given more time. But, hey, I'm a relative newbie - so what do I know?
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01/15/2004 07:43:50 AM · #8 |
Someone can type in a location in the description of the photo, accidentally or on purpose.
I have to agree with the others; the photo should stand on its own, and the title, at most, should help to tie it when needed. |
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01/15/2004 07:44:07 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by kaycee:
That's why I said do not allow locations to be shown in the descriptor line. Frankly, there have been several shots which I overlooked because they didn't "grab" me, but if I'd understood how they were achieved I'd have probably given more time. But, hey, I'm a relative newbie - so what do I know? |
How exactly do you envisage the comments being policed, by the site council? Shouldn't delay the posting of the challenge entries by too many days. |
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01/15/2004 07:44:52 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by kaycee:
That's why I said do not allow locations to be shown in the descriptor line. Frankly, there have been several shots which I overlooked because they didn't "grab" me, but if I'd understood how they were achieved I'd have probably given more time. But, hey, I'm a relative newbie - so what do I know? |
There are a couple issues with this request... I think the primary issue would be that people would leave visible comments that try to sway the vote. In essence, you are asking for an opportunity to be swayed by being able to view these comments. This site and the 'challenge' concept is all about creating an image that meets the challenge without the help of those 'crutches'. If you view an image that you don't understand how it fits the topic, the photographer has not succeeded in the challenge effort.
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01/15/2004 07:54:41 AM · #11 |
John -
I concede that that is true. So why are commenters not anonymous until after the challenge? It seems to me that would be the next logical step. Several threads have noted that people leaving comments sometimes get PM's from dissatisfied photographers - why not make that not an option while a challenge is ongoing? I have received PM's a couple times on my comments for clarification - didn't make me change my views, nor were they disgruntled, but I have read that this does sometimes happen.
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01/15/2004 07:56:56 AM · #12 |
I opt in on the No Comments - let the slide stand on its own side
I've gotten a PM re: one of my comments while the scoring is going on (not the ones going on now) explaining the shot. I have mixed emotions even about this. While it was great to know the background after voting and commenting, I felt "encouraged" to change my opinion after learning more about the photo. And that part didn't feel right. |
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01/15/2004 07:57:55 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by kaycee:
John -
I concede that that is true. So why are commenters not anonymous until after the challenge? It seems to me that would be the next logical step. Several threads have noted that people leaving comments sometimes get PM's from dissatisfied photographers - why not make that not an option while a challenge is ongoing? I have received PM's a couple times on my comments for clarification - didn't make me change my views, nor were they disgruntled, but I have read that this does sometimes happen. |
The comments you are discussing here are not the 'photographer' comments on the image. They are comments left by voters and they are not visible to the other voters until after the challenge. Any interaction that takes place based on these comments is between the individual voter and the photographer. In my mind, this is a different issue than the one you posted here originally.
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01/15/2004 10:26:06 AM · #14 |
Why not have it as an option - then people who don't want to see it don't have to, the initial view of the image is 'untainted' but if voters want to find out some more info there is a 'details' button they can hit to see any extra info the photographer wanted to provide.
Just hide it by default, and have a button to pop it up/ display it as a help text/ re-open the window showing it.
Personally I like to form my own initial impressions, then read more about the image - very often, for a lot of what are considered very good photographs, this extra detail enhances my enjoyment or appreciation of the image - it isn't always 'explaining things you didn't capture well' |
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