What's the deal with the rules???

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

01/13/2004 01:27:34 AM · #1

Most people who follow the forums much will know that I was (am) not in favor of the rule change. When the so called December trial was announced, I resigned myself to whatever would happen. I also resigned myself to the fact that the site was probably gonna change real soon.

So what's the damn deal? We have new rules, but no formal announcement. Is this change in effect permanently, or is it another trial? And what about the poll results? The last time I saw the poll there was an obvious tilt towards rule change. Was that supposed to be our formal notice of change??? I don't know how anyone else feels, but I feel kind of betrayed. Not by the rule change, but more by the fact that it seems to be snuck in under EVERYONE'S noses. What about the people that wanted the changes? They may be entering a challenge with out all their prefered edits because they didn't know?

Come on guys, clue us in a little here. It's only fair.

Message edited by author 2004-01-13 01:28:31.

Konador

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

01/13/2004 03:14:30 AM · #2

Okay here's an announcement:

The rules for member challenges are now 'Advanced Editing' and the rules for open challenges are 'Basic Editing'. You can follow links to each set of rules from the challenge submission page.

As I told you earlier, there will be an official announcement as soon as everything is sorted out.

Pedro

Nikon D200

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8 VR DG IF-ED

01/13/2004 03:26:06 AM · #3

if you read the rules, you'll know, since it's clearly posted there. hardly worth getting pissy about.

if you don't want to edit, enter the open challenges.

jonpink

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX2

01/13/2004 04:10:19 AM · #4

I never knew that!

When is in effect from? So we can edit on the NG challenge then?

kiwiness

Canon Canon 1d x Mark II

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

01/13/2004 04:30:40 AM · #5

Originally posted by jonpink:

I never knew that!

When is in effect from? So we can edit on the NG challenge then?

Yes, if you look at the description for the NG challenge you'll see that the advanced editing rules apply.

jonpink

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX2

01/13/2004 05:48:10 AM · #6

Ahaaa! Would have seen it - just call me lazy.

coolhar

Canon PowerShot Pro 90 IS

01/13/2004 06:56:11 AM · #7

As originally posted the NG challenge said No Spot Editing.

Manic

DJI Mini 3 Pro

Kamlan 28mm F1.4 MF for APS-C

01/13/2004 07:03:32 AM · #8

Just FYI, here's the results of the poll:

The fate of the challenges at hand, which would you prefer?

1 - Return to having the Original restricted-editing rules apply to ALL challenges. 78 votes
2 - Continue as we have in December, with the 'December Rules' applying to Member challenges, and the Original restricted-editing rules applying to Open challenges. 186 votes
3 - Apply the 'December Rules' to all challenges. Occasionally host a restricted editing challenge. 77 votes

341 users participated.

Since option 2 got over 50% of the votes, that's the route we've taken.

tfaust

Canon EOS 80D

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro

01/13/2004 07:36:34 AM · #9

Just because advanced rules apply to a member challenge, doesn't mean you have to take advantage of them....

Thanks SC - as I was originally against the idea, I liked the December trial and am happy it's changing towards that, (even though I didn't use it) it was nice to know I could. :-)

Sony 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 E-mount

01/13/2004 07:59:50 AM · #10

Originally posted by Pedro:

if you read the rules, you'll know, since it's clearly posted there. hardly worth getting pissy about.

if you don't want to edit, enter the open challenges.

I'm not trying to be 'pissy' and once again I find I'm being called names because of how I feel about things around here...

Originally posted by jonpink:

I never knew that!

When is in effect from? So we can edit on the NG challenge then?

This is why I'm being 'pissy'... People don't KNOW!

Originally posted by konador:

Okay here's an announcement:

Since we all know that probably two-thirds of users don't read these forums, why are the new rules being announced here?

Originally posted by konador:

The rules for member challenges are now 'Advanced Editing' and the rules for open challenges are 'Basic Editing'. You can follow links to each set of rules from the challenge submission page.

As I told you earlier, there will be an official announcement as soon as everything is sorted out.

This seems to me to be quite backwards.... You sort things out, get it ready and then change. Announce the change then change. Don't drop it on us, then make it work...

In December the rules were announced at midnite December 1st. Everyone could tell by looking at the home page that there were new rules BEFORE starting the next challenge. This time there is going to be a bunch of 'Well if I knew I would have...' whining and there's been enough whining around here without this.

Also this is NOT about whether I want the changes or not. I've already said here and at the beginning of December that I would go with whatever was decided. Just don't sneek it in on us is all I'm asking (and all everyone should be asking IMHO)

jmsetzler

Sony Alpha a6000

01/13/2004 08:03:58 AM · #11

TooCool,

What is your suggestion to solve the problem you are experiencing?

banmorn

Nikon D750

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 28-300mm f3.5-5.6G ED VR

01/13/2004 08:09:54 AM · #12

Include in the DPChallenge update email??? Like under site news that has not been updated on the last email I got today since 12/24/2003?

Site News12.24.03- Proof on All Winners
The Site Council is requesting proof for any photograph placing in the top 5 for any challenge, so please keep your originals. More details and discussion here.

Canon PowerShot Pro 90 IS

01/13/2004 08:12:04 AM · #13

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

TooCool,

What is your suggestion to solve the problem you are experiencing?

I just think that this is being done backwards. I'll quit bringing it up when it's announced on the home page so that everyone will see it and know!

coolhar

01/13/2004 08:13:35 AM · #14

My suggestion would be to make it a firm policy that the rules for a challenge don't change after the challenge has started.

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

01/13/2004 08:52:46 AM · #15

Not quite the formal announcement, but thank you for putting something on the home page!!!

scab-lab

Canon EOS-D60

01/13/2004 08:59:11 AM · #16

I posted this message yesterday thru the forums at around 10:15am I happened to catch it when reading the challenge details as I always due when they are posted.

Coolhar, was it different than this earlier in the morning? I didnt check it till about 10:15am

See eddies thread below :)

Message edited by author 2004-01-13 09:03:12.

EddyG

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

01/13/2004 08:59:19 AM · #17

Originally posted by coolhar:

As originally posted the NG challenge said No Spot Editing.

No it didn't. When you clicked "View details and submit", there was a new line:

Challenge Rules: Advanced Editing

with a link to the rules in effect for that challenge (basically, the same as the december trial rules).

It was even pointed out in this thread yesterday at around 10am ET.

As Ben has pointed out, the adoption of the "dual rules" has required some coding changes, and as soon as they are complete, an announcement will be made that appears in the "Site News".

joshua

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

01/13/2004 09:42:28 AM · #18

Originally posted by TooCool:

did you even look at the images in the december challenge? there wasn't one flying elf pasted in a photo, no crazy digital art, no real destruction of photographic integrity, and you still are holding on to your baseless argument. what's the deal?

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

01/13/2004 10:15:51 AM · #19

achiral, I think TC's argument was more about not having the formal announcement, rather than the actual changes.

01/13/2004 10:51:07 AM · #20

Originally posted by archiral:

To tell the truth, I didn't see that much of a change in the images. But I still don't think that open editing is NEEDED in this medium (challenges). I don't have a problem with the rules changing. I believe I said at the begining of this thread that I resigned myself to that eventuality.

However, like karmat has pointed out, I have a problem (now resolved in my opinion) with how it was implemented! I can live with change if change is done properly...

joshua

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8 VR DG IF-ED

01/13/2004 11:09:34 AM · #21

i would just think you would see what was coming based on the poll...most people don't need much more info than that. i'm sorry i overestimated that

Pedro

Nikon D200

01/13/2004 11:30:45 AM · #22

Originally posted by TooCool:

I'm not trying to be 'pissy' and once again I find I'm being called names because of how I feel about things around here...

i didn't call you any names. I said you were being pissy. separate the person from the behaviour man. you're welcome to your opinion, but when you start cussing ("what's the damn deal") I'm going to object to it and call you out for getting emotional about a decision that was clearly made by popular vote.

regarding th announcement: please keep in mind that the site does not have full-time employees. it's run by two remarkable gentlemen who have 'real' jobs, and a bunch of volunteers. and NO, I'm not one of those volunteers, I just think the group deserves more respect than you showed in this post.

nothing personal, TC. i just call 'em as I see 'em.

Pedro

StevePax

Canon PowerShot S50

01/13/2004 11:51:09 AM · #23

I feel that the rules were very formally announced. When you click to see the details of the National Geographic challenge, it says in no uncertain terms that the challenge rules are "Advanced Editing." To submit, you have to click a check box saying you've read the rules, so I just assume that you would read them. How many places is the site required to post the new rule change before it's valid?

Just the once, for me.