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 06/20/2007 09:47:19 AM · #26
I have to disagree with the conspiracy theory. I am at best an average DPC photographer and my DPL season average is over 6. With more people spending more time and effort on their shots, ie raising the bar, those that are continueing in their normal fashion will inevitably score lower because they arent keeping up with the curve. The lower number of votes is because we probably have the same number of voters, but more entries, meaning less hits for score per entry. I think this is a dead issue with all the evidence brought about in the thread.

MattO
 06/20/2007 09:56:57 AM · #27
my DPL average is 5.9 and if this week i hold to my 6 , then my DPL average is going to be 6+
i think the DPL is pushing people to try harder, of course if the shot did not do well then there is a bigger disspointment, i had that in the religion challenge.

bottom line i diseagree with the consipiracy theory.
 06/20/2007 10:00:26 AM · #28
If anything, I think there should be a Non-DPL challenge... a challenge that doesn't qualify for DPL scores, but that anyone can enter. Does DPL affect scores? probably... just because people will try harder to achieve a better entry and they get support and ideas from their teammates. I think that is a good thing. The only reason I see for challenges that are not eligible for DPL scores is that they won't get 400 entries which can discourage some people from entering/voting/commenting.

edit: fixed typo

Message edited by author 2007-06-20 10:01:17.
 06/20/2007 10:01:56 AM · #29
it's called free study

Originally posted by fencekicker:
If anything, I think there should be a Non-DPL challenge... a challenge that doesn't qualify for DPL scores,
06/20/2007 10:15:57 AM · #30
Not calling for any witch hunts or anything guys... just an opinion based on observations made by myself and others (both in and out of the DPL).

No conspiracy theory, no accusations of cheating, no drama. Just a request that would isolate regular challenges from DPL participation.

Message edited by author 2007-06-20 10:16:47.
 06/20/2007 10:23:41 AM · #31
My 2c worth. I don't think that posting more challenges will solve anything. It is hard enough to get through all the voting already without having 2 more challenges every week, and then the number of entries will drop in each challenge which will probably swing the voting in the opposite direction to higher than average and everyone finishing in a higher position. If DPL is affecting the voting, the first round is only 5 weeks and then the number of participants drops dramatically so really it shouldnt affect your overall average that much. My DPL average is far lower than my personal average, but that is because I have been entering sub-standard entries in comparison to the other entries. There are a few I have been dissappointed with but it just makes me try harder. Thank heavens I have a great team on my side LOL.

06/20/2007 10:25:07 AM · #32
sorry if your scores 'seem' to be lower. maybe read scalvert's ribboning thread and start shooting and entering more dpc-friendly images. personally, i think anything the generates more activity across the board is good. that may dilute it for some individuals who would rather dpc stay a small pond, but to try to hold it back would be a mistake.

leave it alone. don't like it? really: focus on free-studies.

or better yet, get involved ;-)
 06/20/2007 10:28:06 AM · #33
Originally posted by Chinabun:
it's called free study

Originally posted by fencekicker:
If anything, I think there should be a Non-DPL challenge... a challenge that doesn't qualify for DPL scores,


then why are my free study scores so low..there must a reason..
I kinda forgot about DPL..thanks to the forum filters...how did this forum get through?

Seriously, I don't think placing that much energy on how people score does you any good. A large part of the world is creatively restricted, told what they can and cannot do, what is acceptable and what is criminal. As long as I am able to shoot the way I want , I will be happy. The scores are simply a like a game of poker played with monopoly money. I am constantly bluffing, and losing, but finding it interesting to see who calls me on my hand.
 06/20/2007 10:30:46 AM · #34
Originally posted by bucket:
Originally posted by Chinabun:
it's called free study

Originally posted by fencekicker:
If anything, I think there should be a Non-DPL challenge... a challenge that doesn't qualify for DPL scores,


then why are my free study scores so low..there must a reason..
I kinda forgot about DPL..thanks to the forum filters...how did this forum get through?

Seriously, I don't think placing that much energy on how people score does you any good. A large part of the world is creatively restricted, told what they can and cannot do, what is acceptable and what is criminal. As long as I am able to shoot the way I want , I will be happy. The scores are simply a like a game of poker played with monopoly money. I am constantly bluffing, and losing, but finding it interesting to see who calls me on my hand.


It got through because its a website suggestion lmao!
 06/20/2007 10:31:58 AM · #35
Look what the DPL has done for me. bucket has lost respect for me cuz I'm entering cliche shots! :D
 06/20/2007 10:32:41 AM · #36
Originally posted by Skip:
sorry if your scores 'seem' to be lower. maybe read scalvert's ribboning thread and start shooting and entering more dpc-friendly images. personally, i think anything the generates more activity across the board is good. that may dilute it for some individuals who would rather dpc stay a small pond, but to try to hold it back would be a mistake.

leave it alone. don't like it? really: focus on free-studies.

or better yet, get involved ;-)


Not worried about ribbons, but I am a bit concerned that perfectly lit, no flaws in technical shots that aren't DNMC are struggling with sub-5 scores.

I don't wan to get rid of DPL, just think there needs to be more checks.
06/20/2007 10:36:08 AM · #37
Originally posted by loriprophoto:
I have been entering sub-standard entries in comparison to the other entries.


This is what bugs me about DPL. It has dramatically increased the sheer number of entries as well as reduced the overall quality of entries. As a result, I'm lucky if I can even vote on 20% any more due to not wanting to lower my average vote given (as from experience, people like to rag on ya for that) or for the fact, I simply get sick of looking at sub-standard flower after flower shots... ;-)

I'd personally like to see DPL go away.

Message edited by author 2007-06-20 10:45:04.
 06/20/2007 10:36:24 AM · #38
Originally posted by dudephil:
Look what the DPL has done for me. bucket has lost respect for me cuz I'm entering cliche shots! :D


and look scalvert is still ribboning lmao.
 06/20/2007 10:37:00 AM · #39
I suggest an opposite strategy. Instead of isolating DPL, *diffuse* it. Have more challenges (it's about time, considering the number of entries) and have ALL challenges count towards DPL. If necessary, create a limit on how many challenges a member can enter each week.
 06/20/2007 10:43:20 AM · #40
Originally posted by posthumous:
I suggest an opposite strategy. Instead of isolating DPL, *diffuse* it. Have more challenges (it's about time, considering the number of entries) and have ALL challenges count towards DPL. If necessary, create a limit on how many challenges a member can enter each week.


That might work too... and gives us a bit more variety :-)
 06/20/2007 10:48:59 AM · #41
Well as usual I seem to be doing it all wrong, everything I've entered since the start of DPL has been above my average, I haven't felt the need to shoehorn anything in because one of the great things about a team is that if someone is busy in the RW or is just not happy with their shots that week then there are team mates entered anyway.

I haven't been voting on 100 % of the challenges, I very rarely do anyway I usually get time to vote a hundred or so and usually only the challenges I'm in, nothing has changed there.

I'm loving it, having a team to learn from and run shots by adds to the fun of it all. I wonder though if the team threads are having an effect on the scores threads, the scores being posted in those threads do seem generally lower than usual and it could just be that people are not posting the higher scores there. I don't see that as an issue but it could explain the perception of lower scores.
 06/20/2007 10:53:15 AM · #42
Originally posted by Wildcard:
I wonder though if the team threads are having an effect on the scores threads, the scores being posted in those threads do seem generally lower than usual and it could just be that people are not posting the higher scores there. I don't see that as an issue but it could explain the perception of lower scores.


How could that be? The team threads are private.
 06/20/2007 10:56:57 AM · #43
Team threads are private and people are posting their score there instead of the scores thread. No as many people in the scores thread could be skewing the perception of what the average scores are particularly if the higher scoring members are keeping mum about their scores.
 06/20/2007 11:00:16 AM · #44
I never understood the whole DPL thing to begin with. This site is already a competition site. If people wanted more competition with teams, why didn't they start a new site instead of imposing it on DPC?

06/20/2007 11:05:24 AM · #45
excellent idea! Two sites!

Originally posted by CEJ:
I never understood the whole DPL thing to begin with. This site is already a competition site. If people wanted more competition with teams, why didn't they start a new site instead of imposing it on DPC?
06/20/2007 11:08:08 AM · #46
Originally posted by LanceW:
Originally posted by Wildcard:
I wonder though if the team threads are having an effect on the scores threads, the scores being posted in those threads do seem generally lower than usual and it could just be that people are not posting the higher scores there. I don't see that as an issue but it could explain the perception of lower scores.


How could that be? The team threads are private.


I believe what she is saying that "Team Memembers" that have high-ish scores are not going to Post that they have a 6.9 in a "How's your umphdefratz entry doing thread?

They just keep their scores to themselves... and let the usuals post their scores there (btw I did this before DPL).

Now a casual observer will view those threads and the top end scores will be lower, giving a sense that the scores are much lower now.

As to the DPL and the team thing, I believe we are seeing less riff raff shots as a result... Teams will discuss and tell each other "No don't put that one in it will not do well" the learning on a team is emense... We are getting better (or just more good ones) shots entered and average shots look less average now.

There we always be the last minute shoehorn shots and they will receive what they deserve.
 06/20/2007 11:08:14 AM · #47
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Not calling for any witch hunts or anything guys... just an opinion based on observations made by myself and others (both in and out of the DPL).

No conspiracy theory, no accusations of cheating, no drama. Just a request that would isolate regular challenges from DPL participation.

Not worried about ribbons, but I am a bit concerned that perfectly lit, no flaws in technical shots that aren't DNMC are struggling with sub-5 scores.

I don't wan to get rid of DPL, just think there needs to be more checks.



So which is it, no conspiracy theory or there needs to be more checks cause something is going on? Or maybe your just looking for an excuse for your scores? I'm not voting in any challenges this week, if you want to put the photos somewhere on the net, now or after the challenge and I'll give you an honest to goodness opinion on them and how they apply to the challenges they are entered into, as I'm sure many others would.

MattO
 06/20/2007 11:11:59 AM · #48
Originally posted by CEJ:
I never understood the whole DPL thing to begin with. This site is already a competition site. If people wanted more competition with teams, why didn't they start a new site instead of imposing it on DPC?

Because it is better to have a site grow and become and become extremely popular and sell it like myspace or utube, than to water down your value...
 06/20/2007 11:13:05 AM · #49
I think that the DPL is a good idea. yes, this is already a competition site but the team is even the possibility of a comparison with others members that for someone should be impossible in other way. In our private thread there are many photos, opinions, and perhaps some good result become even from this discussion. Moreover for me should be impossible know the members of the team without the dpl. At last they sometimes understand my ridicule english :)

Message edited by author 2007-06-20 11:13:33.
 06/20/2007 11:13:12 AM · #50
Originally posted by CEJ:
I never understood the whole DPL thing to begin with. This site is already a competition site. If people wanted more competition with teams, why didn't they start a new site instead of imposing it on DPC?


People like competition...

what's weird for me is that people join a team knowing before hand that's it means commitment to submit every week.
and most of the people that join teams DO submit every week(outside the DPL).
now comes the DPL, everyone start complaining about low scores and about how they submitted a last minute shot for the team, etc...etc...
my question is why ?
keep on doing the same thing you did every week before DPL and enjoy photography.
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