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06/19/2007 12:51:16 PM · #26 |
I agree Robert, I sure wish I had the eye and skills of those at the top of the game....
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by bassbone:
I am not knocking any of the teams or how they were built (heck, this is all for fun right!?!) , but I would sure like to benefit from the skills and eye of those at the top of the DPC site a little more. Having the teams a little more distributed could really make this a different kind of cool fun. |
Right, that was sort of the point I was getting at. Somehow the segregation of the best into a single, powerful entity never sits real well with me. But it IS just a game, and lawd knows I'm not MAD at Doc or any of them, nothing like that... They're all great folks and fine shooters.
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06/19/2007 12:53:01 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by bassbone:
I am not knocking any of the teams or how they were built (heck, this is all for fun right!?!) , but I would sure like to benefit from the skills and eye of those at the top of the DPC site a little more. Having the teams a little more distributed could really make this a different kind of cool fun. |
Right, that was sort of the point I was getting at. Somehow the segregation of the best into a single, powerful entity never sits real well with me. But it IS just a game, and lawd knows I'm not MAD at Doc or any of them, nothing like that... They're all great folks and fine shooters.
R. |
Like the Yankees in baseball, having one team to hate can bring a greater sense of comeraderie and solidarity to the other league members.
But remember, you can beat them, if you just get a willing someone to sell their soul ... |
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06/19/2007 01:02:01 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I remember when WPL was first getting set up, I was in favor of making the teams via a draft, or by random assignment out of A,B,C pools just so there wouldn't be any stacked teams like the Ribbon Hogs. R. |
I would certainly support a random selection process. Surely if we can be given a random selection for the voting process that something similar could be devised for team selections.
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Doc, I agree with Levyj that, in your position, with a TEAM AVERAGE over 7.0, a little less braggadocio and a little more humility might be easier for the rest of us to stomach. I mean we all KNOW that each of you guys, individually, is a champion right? I'm not sure I see where's the glory in all of you banding together to sweep this competition, BUT I can certainly see potential glory for whoever manages to BEAT y'all, if it ever happens...
R. |
I am convinced the good Doctor will review the contents of: (Matthew 23:12)... And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted." and guide himself accordingly. :O)
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06/19/2007 01:05:28 PM · #29 |
| I would much rather be able to play with a team of people I like and want to participate with and have to put up with a stacked team of braggarts than be subject to random selection, drafting, etc. |
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06/19/2007 01:08:39 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
...a little less braggadocio and a little more humility might be easier for the rest of us to stomach. ... |
Speak for yourself, Robert. I'm here for fun.
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06/19/2007 01:11:27 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by mk:
I would much rather be able to play with a team of people I like and want to participate with and have to put up with a stacked team of braggarts than be subject to random selection, drafting, etc. |
I fully agree. |
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06/19/2007 01:16:04 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by mk:
I would much rather be able to play with a team of people I like and want to participate with and have to put up with a stacked team of braggarts than be subject to random selection, drafting, etc. |
The stacked team (Ribbon Hogs) aren't doing any/enough bragging, which I'd like to see more of. I do feel sorry for the other teams in their division that have such high averages, though. That is one tough division!
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06/19/2007 01:17:47 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by jrdawson:
Originally posted by mk:
I would much rather be able to play with a team of people I like and want to participate with and have to put up with a stacked team of braggarts than be subject to random selection, drafting, etc. |
I fully agree. |
A but you see, that pre-supposes that you would NOT like the people on your team, and if such is the case it would say a lot more about you than it would the remainder of the team you ended up on.
There is nothing inherently wrong with random selection, just ask the any of the many waiting in the Pool... I am certain they would have simply love to have been randomly selected.
Ray |
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06/19/2007 01:22:51 PM · #34 |
I hope you guys fully realize I only trash talk when others have before (note idnic's post) and I only do it with a sense of humor and gamesmanship.
I also fully agree with mk about being on a team of people we waant to be with. What some may not realize is that I want to be with people who challenge me to do my best. The easiest way to accomplish this is to surround myself with people who are my superiors. I would much rather be the small fish on a team than the big one. But what can I do? I have skill. I'm not going to pretend that isn't true. Picking superiors is going to mean picking people with more skill.
So while it may seem like we only care about winning, the truth is we love to challenge each other on the team and there is a level of competition within the Hogs that is fun and enjoyable. I mean, try keeping up with friggin  De Sousa! That guy wears me out!
So enough said. The post was meant in fun. It wasn't bragging (or the fancy word for bragging Robert used).
EDIT: I'll edit to add the competition is FAR from in the bag. While we may have the most "stacked" team, it isn't like 20D or Outcasts or F/Stop are full of washups who don't know what a 6.8 looks like. The whole "any given Sunday" thing is in full effect...
Message edited by author 2007-06-19 13:26:50.
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06/19/2007 01:25:59 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by mk:
I would much rather be able to play with a team of people I like and want to participate with and have to put up with a stacked team of braggarts than be subject to random selection, drafting, etc. |
The stacked team (Ribbon Hogs) aren't doing any/enough bragging, which I'd like to see more of. I do feel sorry for the other teams in their division that have such high averages, though. That is one tough division! |
That was just a general sentiment. Aside from Achoo and Scalvert, I don't even know (or care) who's on the team. You ought to check out chat during rollover though...standard protocol is for ribbon winners to come in then and brag. ;)
Originally posted by RayEthier:
A but you see, that pre-supposes that you would NOT like the people on your team, and if such is the case it would say a lot more about you than it would the remainder of the team you ended up on.
There is nothing inherently wrong with random selection, just ask the any of the many waiting in the Pool... I am certain they would have simply love to have been randomly selected.
Ray |
I would rather be involved in the decision regarding what team I'm on than leave it to chance, regardless of what that says about me. I value the team experience more than I do the opportunity to win.
Message edited by author 2007-06-19 13:26:44. |
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06/19/2007 01:27:30 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
While we may have the most "stacked" team, it isn't like 20D or Outcasts or F/Stop is full of washups who don't know what a 6.8 looks like.... |
I just wish me and my team mates knew what a 5.8 looked like! LOL |
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06/19/2007 01:41:03 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by mk:
I would rather be involved in the decision regarding what team I'm on than leave it to chance, regardless of what that says about me. I value the team experience more than I do the opportunity to win. |
Yeah, that would be the "draft"; team captains draft in a predetermined order from a pool of available shooters, and you'd be free to draft for whatever qualities you sought.
R.
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06/19/2007 01:45:44 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by mk:
I would rather be involved in the decision regarding what team I'm on than leave it to chance, regardless of what that says about me. I value the team experience more than I do the opportunity to win. |
I completely agree... my team is near the bottom of the list and it's not for lack of competing. We're doing pretty well in our division but have no chance of making the playoffs unless there is a crazy ass wild wild card spot available! The point is, I don't care that there are "stacked" teams out there, it gives us a goal to shoot for. I feel like I am with my peers and I truly enjoy chatting with and working with my teammates to better our overall average.
The team experience has been a great one and the comment about the "blind leading the blinder" made earlier couldn't be farther from the truth. We all stand to gain from a team environment regardless of the "skill level" or "experience" the individuals bring to the table. Right now I have two 6+ scores sitting on my home page and that's a FIRST for me. My average scoring has been higher and my entries have been better than they were prior to the DPL. Granted, it's not near the same caliber as the Ribbon Hawgs (yet), but I have a goal and with the help of my team, we can all get there.
Personally I feel more sorry for the "stacked" teams who can become more complacent in their position at the top of the pile. Imagine the humility when someone comes along and knocks them off of their high horse!
Message edited by author 2007-06-19 13:47:09.
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06/19/2007 01:52:39 PM · #39 |
I can't prove this, but I'm almost certain the vast majority like things just the way they are regarding team selection ... and trash talking.
Kiwiness has talked trash, so has Pedro, so has DrAchoo, and don't even get me started regarding Qart and Larus ... and these are among the most liked members of this site. Trash talk is harmless, enjoyable, and fun.
Cutting that out would be like hockey without the bench clearing brawls ... BORING! |
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06/19/2007 01:57:11 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by mk:
I would rather be involved in the decision regarding what team I'm on than leave it to chance, regardless of what that says about me. I value the team experience more than I do the opportunity to win. |
... and your manner of proceeding is indeed laudable and ought to be what drives all of us... but we have no assurances that everyone shares your altruistic approach.
I would venture to say that there are many individuals languishing in the "Pool" that would be deliriously happy had we had a random selection process.
I would readily forego the option to chose if it meant that all were treated in a similar fashion, with equal access to the various teams.
Ray
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06/19/2007 02:02:26 PM · #41 |
Why is anyone languishing in the pool? There were days of threads begging people to start teams so that we had enough and I know at least a few people PMed everyone in the pool at the time in an attempt to form a team. Is there anyone in the pool who can say they truly made an effort to be on a team and were shut out?
The rest we'll just have to disagree on. :) |
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06/19/2007 02:08:52 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by mk:
I would rather be involved in the decision regarding what team I'm on than leave it to chance, regardless of what that says about me. I value the team experience more than I do the opportunity to win. |
... and your manner of proceeding is indeed laudable and ought to be what drives all of us... but we have no assurances that everyone shares your altruistic approach.
I would venture to say that there are many individuals languishing in the "Pool" that would be deliriously happy had we had a random selection process.
I would readily forego the option to chose if it meant that all were treated in a similar fashion, with equal access to the various teams.
Ray |
I for one would say, that if I didnt have the choice of which team to participate on. I probably would not be in the DPL |
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06/19/2007 02:11:52 PM · #43 |
Most of the teams were formed by invites.
What about grouping the remainder of the pool randomly into teams that would be finalized by all members agreeing to the team makeup. Sure, it's harder this way but it's the way a lot of rec sports leagues work so why not here?
Just a thought. I don't know the logistics involved so it may be too complicated to do this. |
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06/19/2007 02:13:00 PM · #44 |
My perspective (from the captain of the last place team in Northern Conference - Division A) is that I love the way things are setup now. There has been no trash talk unless provoked like DrAchoo said and none of the photographers have ever come across as being on a "high horse". I would actually like a forum for teams that are playing against each other to talk back and forth...to congratulate each other and to "trash" talk if they want. We are currently in 16th place overall and have a 6.2169 average but are 0-3. Sure I would like to win a round and not go 0-5, but if we don't I'll still be proud of my team and how well we have done.
If I could change one thing about the playoffs it would be to run them like the NCAA basketball tournament and have 12 automatic bids (winners of each division) and then x number of invitation teams to participate in the playoffs. A couple of rounds might have to be added (rather than 2) but I think that would be fine...You could even have a "by" week for the 12 divisional winners if you wanted or seed the tournament like the NCAA with top seed versus bottom seed etc...then you would have those "Cinderella" stories where lower seeded teams knock off higher seeded teams.
Anyway, just my opinion and general ramblings.
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06/19/2007 02:17:14 PM · #45 |
You do, indeed, belong in a tough divison Jason. 6.21 average 0-3?!? OUCH! Believe me, a great deal of the 800 posts in our private thread is a constant "do not underestimate the team this week!".
My input for Season 2 would be 1 extra week of playoffs with 4 wildcard teams added. The wildcards could be the best averages among the division non-winners.
I'm also actually a bit confused about the playoffs as they are. Are there TWO weeks of playoffs or THREE? What is this "finals week"?
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06/19/2007 02:23:36 PM · #46 |
I want to express here my respect for the other teams in the Northern Conference - Division A (Critical Mass, imagenation, Se7endipity, Patent Pending and DPC7). They have been pushing us (Ribbon Hogs) to give our best, week after week, and they could be winning in any other Divisions. They really are very good teams.
You can̢۪t imagine how much we work hard and we suffer for/to have a nice shot round after round. Every week, our opposite team is treated like if they were the best team in the world, and I think that̢۪s our secret. Work, work, work, and respect for the others.
Of course, I do believe we̢۪ll win.
We want to win, and we̢۪ve the right to say it like any other can do.
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06/19/2007 02:32:57 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by hopper:
Cutting that out would be like hockey without the bench clearing brawls ... BORING! |
If you want bench clearing brawls you need to watch baseball, NOT hockey. Hockey has not had a bench clearing brawl in years... at least not at the professional level.
Ray |
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06/19/2007 02:42:22 PM · #48 |
>Back to the topic at hand>
Week 8 this weeks submissions will not count towards the DPL and we will have a week off. Thanks for answering my question langdon and I look forward to the playoffs, should we be attending.
MattO
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06/19/2007 02:47:31 PM · #49 |
Nobody needs to pay me any attention; I'm certainly not uptight about this at all. I just was brought up in a highly competitive environment where it was hammered into me over and over again that "champions don't brag". I am made very uneasy by the entire trend of our modern world towards braggadocio (there's that word again, Doc!) in sports. I cringe when I see football players doing touchdown dances and sack dances, and I miss the days when the very best among us wore their laurels with humility. On reason I like professional golf so much is the distinct LACK of in-your-face in that sport. If any golfer in the world ever had a right to brag, it's Tiger; and he never does. Neither did Jack. Hell, I can't think of ANY great golfer who bragged.
None of this is an indictment of Doc Achoo, whom I consider a friend and who, after all, didn't brag much at all in here. I apologize if I seem to be overreacting.
R.
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06/19/2007 02:48:22 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by MattO:
>Back to the topic at hand>
Week 8 this weeks submissions will not count towards the DPL and we will have a week off. Thanks for answering my question langdon and I look forward to the playoffs, should we be attending.
MattO |
And then to continue, how goes it go beyond that? Will it be 3 brackets of 4 teams? (each division winner?) Has there been any official decision because the FAQ leaves this way up in the air.
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