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05/13/2007 04:08:40 PM · #26
Originally posted by suemack:

thanks Art, will give that a try tonight after work.

Masks I use a lot, but alpha channels....gotta find me some more reading on them. Don't understand them at all!!

Hope you don't mind if I jump in ...

They are essentially the same, except (maybe) that a mask is often associated with a specific adjustment layer, while an alpha channel (which is also exactly the same as a saved selection) will affect all layers below it. If you make a Quick Mask and save it, it will become an alpha channel.

Alpha channels are grayscale channels, and can be edited using all paint, selection, and adjustment tools.
05/13/2007 04:40:24 PM · #27
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Hope you don't mind if I jump in ...

Not at all - I appreciate the help.
05/13/2007 10:31:37 PM · #28
Wow, I'm digging the quick mask. But, where is it in the menu or which window is it in (when I forget the "q" short cut command).
05/13/2007 10:36:10 PM · #29
Originally posted by Nullix:

Wow, I'm digging the quick mask. But, where is it in the menu or which window is it in (when I forget the "q" short cut command).


Here you go.

Click the button I've colored red to enter quick mask and the one I've colored green to exit. They're not really colored; I just did that for labeling.

Note that you can double-click on either one to pop open a window that lets you set whether you see the masked vs. selected areas, and also lets you choose the color for the mask. It also lets you select the opacity, to determine how much of the image to show through the mask.


05/14/2007 05:03:50 AM · #30
WOW! That dune grass brush is fun!
05/14/2007 06:52:08 AM · #31
Nice work Sue :)
05/14/2007 07:04:17 AM · #32
Thanks Charlie!
05/14/2007 07:33:42 AM · #33
I think Sue did such a great job, I'll just email her anything I need selected. :-) But I will try the masking thing, even if I don't post results.
05/14/2007 07:46:43 AM · #34
It's Art's recommendation to use the Dune Grass brush on the hair....... makes it so quick and easy. I used it on the tail and a few of the hairier bits on the edges.
05/14/2007 11:02:44 AM · #35
Originally posted by suemack:

WOW! That dune grass brush is fun!


Wow, that's awesome, you obviously have a TON more patience than I do for making selections. Even if you did use Ken's trick ;)
05/15/2007 01:22:29 AM · #36
Layer masks: making masks permanent
I moved my whole post to a DPC tutorial.

Message edited by author 2007-10-18 15:19:25.
05/15/2007 01:00:33 PM · #37
I think I'm getting the hang of the mask thing, though I really need to learn to a) use my tablet, and b) use the brushes available more effectively.

Since I was tired of the squirrel, I worked on something else. Note that this shot was taken outside of the range of the current desat challenge but I figured it would be good practice. (It can be removed if any feel it's in violation of the spirit of whatever.)

Here is the original crop, then the masked edited version. I made the selection, did a quick mask, created a "real" mask, fine tuned the selection with the paintbrush, adjusted the hue/sat on the mask on a separate layer, by choosing the "use previous layer as clipping mask" or whatever that says (and don't know if that was a correct thing to do or not.) I then went back to the original background layer, created a duplicate layer (which is now underneath my masked layer) and desat'd that duplicate layer. Finally squashed 'em all together, did a sharpen, and saved.

05/15/2007 04:01:28 PM · #38
Ohhhhhh nice work Deb!!! Look at all that detail on her hair!!!
05/15/2007 05:28:03 PM · #39
Originally posted by Melethia:



Gorgeous!

What I didn't say was that for DPC purposes, layer masks on adjustment layers are the most common way I use them. I rarely have cause to create layer masks of actual image information.

The "clipping mask" tells a given layer to behave as if it had the same layer mask as the layer just beneath it. You can stack 'em up, too. You'll see a little arrow to the left of the image thumbnail pointing down to tell you it's using the next-lower layer's mask.

Sounds like you used it perfectly: when you want to use the same mask for multiple layers.
05/17/2007 11:32:13 PM · #40
Is anyone still out there?

I've found that for DPC advanced editing challenges, the main use for layer masks is for controlling various adjustment layers like curves, levels, and color changes (layer masks are selections, so are illegal for minimal and basic editing, and there are many more uses in expert editing).

But you can also have a lot of fun with "multiple personality shots" like my recent triptych entry. Take a look and then come back to learn how to do it:


At its simplest, this took three steps:

1) Shoot. Use a tripod and manual settings. You want the lighting to be the same for each shot.

2) Combine shots into one Photoshop file. First open one file as the "base" layer to provide the background for the others. Then open each additional shot and copy it as a layer into the base file.

One way to do that is to click and drag the new layer from the layers tab over to the base file and let go; it will then appear as a layer in the base file. You might need to move the layer once it's moved to get it aligned right.


3) Create layer masks . Just mask out the portion of each additional shot that you want to show. That way, minor changes in the background or lighting won't matter.

For my triptych, I used the leftmost shot as the base. Although there were a couple of girls chasing a ball in the background, I just masked them out of the other two shots.

Here's a composite showing the original three shots, the layer masks for the middle and right shots, and the final composite without the white lines:


You can get as complex as you want; changing clothes and hair really sells the effect well. The longer you take shooting outside, though, the more chance the light will change. And after you do the basics, watch for things like overlapping shadows, reflections, etc.

Set up a tripod (or just put your camera on a table), shoot a few pics, and make your own multi-personality shot.

Here are a few other examples to inspire you:


Bonus assignment: after doing it, try doing a triptych where part of one frame overlaps the other, like in the cartwheel shot above. You now have the layer masking tools to do it in any of various ways.
05/17/2007 11:40:51 PM · #41
yipes i'm behind.
05/18/2007 08:26:23 AM · #42
I'm here, but it's been the week from hades at work. Got some time this weekend to get back to photoshop and play.
05/18/2007 09:26:51 AM · #43
I always wanted to do one of these. Now, I just have to figure out if the subject is me or my boy.
05/18/2007 09:52:34 AM · #44
Originally posted by Nullix:

I always wanted to do one of these. Now, I just have to figure out if the subject is me or my boy.

Do both of you together. Have a whole bunch of each of you - it'll be a fun project. :-)
05/18/2007 09:53:23 AM · #45
Originally posted by levyj413:

Is anyone still out there?


I'm here ... been lurking in all 4 threads and trying the techniques when I get a chance ... unfortunately I'm at work and don't have CS2 here ... please keep the info coming ... I have learned a lot so far ... this will really help my post processing and hopefully raise my scores! thanks for doing this ... it's much appreciated!!
05/18/2007 10:43:42 PM · #46
I have PS Elements 4. From its help session, I have learned that I can not do 'quick mask'. I have also learned that alpha channels are called saved masks. But, I can not figure out how to make a mask. (I'm assuming that some type of mask is possible in order to make a saved mask.) Can anyone give me some sort of suggestion?
05/18/2007 11:09:58 PM · #47
Here was my version that I did a while ago. Again, Like everyone else I did this cause everyone else did.

Yeah yeah yeah, I know what your thinking and YES I WOULD JUMP TOO. hahaha


05/18/2007 11:13:06 PM · #48
Originally posted by cornettcag:

I have PS Elements 4. From its help session, I have learned that I can not do 'quick mask'. I have also learned that alpha channels are called saved masks. But, I can not figure out how to make a mask. (I'm assuming that some type of mask is possible in order to make a saved mask.) Can anyone give me some sort of suggestion?


I don't believe PSE4 has masks, though I think they added them to 5. Here are some directions on how to get some masking functionality, though I am not sure how well it works as I don't have PSE anymore.
05/18/2007 11:25:23 PM · #49
Originally posted by wavelength:

Originally posted by cornettcag:

I have PS Elements 4. From its help session, I have learned that I can not do 'quick mask'. I have also learned that alpha channels are called saved masks. But, I can not figure out how to make a mask. (I'm assuming that some type of mask is possible in order to make a saved mask.) Can anyone give me some sort of suggestion?


I don't believe PSE4 has masks, though I think they added them to 5. Here are some directions on how to get some masking functionality, though I am not sure how well it works as I don't have PSE anymore.


I have a PSE 4.0 and I know that they have a mask mode. I was just looking at this morning but by woman has it. I will get it tomorrow and let you all know how to do it. There is another way of doing this though. Once you select the marquee (of your choice) you can add or remove your selected area by using these tools.
05/18/2007 11:27:26 PM · #50
Originally posted by Lowcivicman99:



I have a PSE 4.0 and I know that they have a mask mode. I was just looking at this morning but by woman has it. I will get it tomorrow and let you all know how to do it. There is another way of doing this though. Once you select the marquee (of your choice) you can add or remove your selected area by using these tools.


Okay, it must be PSE3 and under, they've changed the feature set so many times in such a short period it's hard to keep up :/

Message edited by author 2007-05-18 23:27:55.
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