Time to Fix the Free Studies - DPChallenge Forums

Sony FE 3.5-5.6/28-70 mm OSS

04/08/2007 09:56:28 PM · #102

Originally posted by Konador:

Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
I dont see where it makes a real difference in the number of entries or the content of th entries.

Basically, it might stop people leeching :)
Entering without ever voting or commenting. Encourages site participation. If they can't be bothered to vote after getting everyone to vote on their own, tough, no entering for them next month!

Well i mean whatever it takes to enter ill do. But if i have to comment on 100+ images in say a 500+ image challenge. It will prevent me from commenting on other challenges say open challenges where the non members who would better benifit from criticism thats helpful and constructive and deprive them of votes.

If i have to spend more time voting and commenting on free studies just so i can enter it deprives the rest of the challenges. Not that my opinion or vote counts.

JunieMoon

Sony Alpha a7 II

04/08/2007 10:04:13 PM · #103

I have found that I don't want to enter free studies as much, only because of the lack of time I have to vote properly. I doubt if categorizing will make much difference as to making it less unwieldy. I think that what would happen is each category would get a lot more entries, which defeats the purpose of dividing it up. Anyway, I find I am compelled to vote more on minimal editing and basic editing, because I think both are purer products and deserve lots of views and voting. Yeh, maybe advanced editing looks better, but I am trying to get good from the start, and that is why minimal and basic is so cool. It allows me to see differences based on exposure, aperture, etc.

wavelength

Nikon D300

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

04/08/2007 10:11:06 PM · #104

er, I didn't read the whole thing so sorry if this has already been posted.

How about alternating months, 1: Advanced/Basic 2: Expert/Minimal and just go back and forth. This would keep it to two, hopefully with a reasonable amount each, and not over-saturate the front page with available challenges in/out of voting.

crayon

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

04/08/2007 10:31:35 PM · #105

Originally posted by Artyste:

What I propose is to separate the Free Studies into the four editing rulesets each month. One for Minimal, one for Basic, one for Advanced, and one for Expert.

You can then only enter one of these Free Studies each month, depending on your preference for editing.

got my vote. great idea!

crayon

Canon FD 70-210mm f/4.0 MF

04/08/2007 10:32:22 PM · #106

Originally posted by crayon:

Originally posted by Artyste:
What I propose is to separate the Free Studies into the four editing rulesets each month. One for Minimal, one for Basic, one for Advanced, and one for Expert.

You can then only enter one of these Free Studies each month, depending on your preference for editing.

got my vote. great idea!

crayon

You have my vote too!!!!!!!!!!!!!

shutterpuppy

Sony Alpha a7

04/08/2007 11:08:30 PM · #107

I think some version of Artyste's idea would be great. Two FSs, broken out by rotating editing rules sounds workable.

Fujifilm XF 55-200mm f/3.5-4.8 R LM OIS

04/08/2007 11:09:31 PM · #108

Originally posted by shutterpuppy:

I think some version of Artyste's idea would be great. Two FSs, broken out by rotating editing rules sounds workable.

That seems to be the direction I myself like the most as well.

ursula

Fujifilm X-T2

04/08/2007 11:13:07 PM · #109

I like the Free Studies the way they are. I hope they stay, monthly opportunities to enter whatever you think is your best work for the month.

Yes, it is a lot of entries to look at and vote on. As far as I'm concerned, so be it. If I get around to looking at/voting on all of them, that's good. If I don't, the world isn't going to end.

Rebecca

Nikon D80

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 18-135mm f/3.5- 5.6G ED DX

04/08/2007 11:18:30 PM · #110

Splitting it up will not get you more votes or more comments. There will be just as many entries on which to vote and comment as before, and under this proposal they'll just be in a bunch of different places instead. If you choose to vote just one category, you'll still only be voting on, say, 25% of the total entries (if all categories had equal numbers of entrants), which you can already do.

Message edited by author 2007-04-08 23:19:16.

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

04/08/2007 11:24:13 PM · #111

Originally posted by Rebecca:

Splitting things up *does* help. It was proven with the open challenges.
What it does is makes it a little less scary for someone to go into one of the challenges thinking, "wow, I have to vote on all these?!" They end up taking just that little extra time per image in whichever challenge they end up voting in, and tend to feel a little less overwhelmed as a whole. This either results in a much more complete voting process overall, or it results in people feeling that they've accomplished a little bit more. In terms of numbers.. no.. you're probably right. It doesn't have much affect. However, in terms of simply de-stressing the average voter and submitter, it works wonders.

The psychology of it cannot be understated.

RayEthier

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

04/08/2007 11:29:15 PM · #112

Originally posted by Artyste:

... However, in terms of simply de-stressing the average voter and submitter, it works wonders.

The psychology of it cannot be understated.

People get stressed because of this... good Lord!!!

Ray

Message edited by author 2007-04-08 23:29:49.

Marc923

04/08/2007 11:32:47 PM · #113

I like the idea of different levels of Free Study. Mainly because I'm terrible with photoshop. At least I feel I have somewhat of a chance with basic and minimal editing. With April having the expert rule set, I'm not even entering.

Nikon D200

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

04/08/2007 11:36:05 PM · #114

One point about the Open Challenges that were split up: both of those have different topics, so it's easier to pick and vote on the theme that appeals to you.

A Free Study split is still Free Study. Someone's already pointed out that

I'm just coming back to the this thread from this morning, and I can't remember who said "Oh, I'm surprised L2 is suggesting voting on 20%."

There is nothing wrong with voting on 20%. Deciding to vote on 20% is not the same as cherry-picking (which I don't personally agree with); I personally vote on 100% of the challenges that I vote on but that doesn't mean that a person that does it differently is wrong.

I'll agree that the Free Studies are getting ginormous, and the thought of going through all the entries is daunting.

I like the idea of having to qualify in some way to enter one.

04/08/2007 11:36:27 PM · #115

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by Artyste:
... However, in terms of simply de-stressing the average voter and submitter, it works wonders.

The psychology of it cannot be understated.

People get stressed because of this... good Lord!!!

Ray

Hey.. I'm just the messenger :)

It's true though.

04/08/2007 11:36:59 PM · #116

1 - The free studies are not broke

2 - If it aint broke fix it till it is!

04/08/2007 11:39:06 PM · #117

Originally posted by L2:

Which is why I suggested it being split by editing rulesets. *NOT* because I don't want specific rulesets to be the only rulesets being used, but because it separates the Free Study into something that people *would* actually care to differentiate. Unlike just splitting it into two just for numbers reasons.

There *would* be a difference. And one almost as, if not as much, different than topics in the open challenge.

sir_bazz

Pentax K-5

Pentax FA 50mm f/1.4 AF

04/08/2007 11:42:33 PM · #118

Originally posted by L2:

I like the idea of having to qualify in some way to enter one.

How about we make the criteria say 2 ribbons and call it a Masters Challenge. :P

bazz.

04/08/2007 11:46:44 PM · #119

Originally posted by sir_bazz:

Originally posted by L2:
I like the idea of having to qualify in some way to enter one.

How about we make the criteria say 2 ribbons and call it a Masters Challenge. :P

bazz.

*snicker*

It's up to 3 ribbons now anyway.. or was. Of course, if they had another one, it'd be 4 ribbons.. since I have 3 ribbons now, and the whole point of the Masters' challenge was to keep me from being in one.

Fujifilm XF 55-200mm f/3.5-4.8 R LM OIS

04/08/2007 11:47:01 PM · #120

Originally posted by sir_bazz:

Originally posted by L2:
I like the idea of having to qualify in some way to enter one.

How about we make the criteria say 2 ribbons and call it a Masters Challenge. :P

bazz.

How about everytime someone whines about how this site is run we suspend them from entering for a week.

Message edited by author 2007-04-08 23:54:36.

crayon

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

04/08/2007 11:48:39 PM · #121

Originally posted by Artyste:

Which is why I suggested it being split by editing rulesets.

maybe, one with advanced editing, the other is at basic editing - both open to member's only (as usual)

ursula

Fujifilm X-T2

04/08/2007 11:52:38 PM · #122

Originally posted by RainMotorsports:

Originally posted by sir_bazz:

Originally posted by L2:
I like the idea of having to qualify in some way to enter one.

How about we make the criteria say 2 ribbons and call it a Masters Challenge. :P

bazz.

How about everytime someone wines about how this site is run we suspend them from entering for a week.

He, he (just poking a bit of fun at you) - I'm ready for a glass of wine tonight :)

Fujifilm XF 55-200mm f/3.5-4.8 R LM OIS

04/08/2007 11:54:18 PM · #123

Is that a Proposition Ursula (HAHA... pokin at you too)

ursula

Fujifilm X-T2

04/08/2007 11:55:29 PM · #124

Originally posted by RainMotorsports:

Is that a Proposition Ursula (HAHA... pokin at you too)

No way. Just a little bit of spelling fun :)