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12/27/2006 03:03:26 AM · #1 |
i'd been waiting over a month for infrared filter and picked it up today
i couldnt see anything thru viewfinder ...
i then went into a site and found out i should've checked to see that the Hoya R72 infrared filter i bought would be compatible with my camera and lens ... i think the shop assistant was a bit remiss for not giving me that info!! ...
my camera is a Canon 400D and the lens is a Tamron AF 18-200mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di II for Canon ..
i really dont want to have to set up tripods etc all the time .. i'd like to point and shoot ... i've noticed in other threads that a 30sec shutter speed isnt unusual ...
HAS ANYONE GOT ANY INFO THAT COULD HELP ME ...
if it means spending money to get the setup i want then i'd be willing to do that too ...
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12/27/2006 03:06:05 AM · #2 |
There's NO way to shoot infrared with that camera without a tripod. That's just the nature of the beast. You are absolutely locked into exposure times far beyond what you can hand-hold.
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12/27/2006 03:11:28 AM · #3 |
To do handheld you may have to take out the IR cut filter which would make it useless for regular photography.
The only way is to use a tripod for a longer exposure. |
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12/27/2006 03:12:25 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
There's NO way to shoot infrared with that camera without a tripod. |
Well, that isn't strictly true. Lifepixel will convert the camera to IR, or IR + visible light for about $125 and you can shoot handheld all you want.
But the camera isn't so good for normal photography after that.
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12/27/2006 03:15:33 AM · #5 |
yah yah yah :-) "With that camera" means "With your brand-new baby intact and unmodified"... Sure there are roads he can go down for converting, as it were, but if it were me I'd do that off an old 300D and keep the 400 healthy and clean.
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12/27/2006 03:16:35 AM · #6 |
| Older Sonys p&s like the F717 is suppose to be really good for handheld IR shooting. |
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12/27/2006 03:21:33 AM · #7 |
ok ..
i wouldnt want to modify my 400D...
is it possible to buy second hand 300D that i could use with an infrared filter .. supposing that the Hoya R72 would be compatible with it and also that i'd be able to go hand held ...
and not knowing the nature of the beast i'm supposing that in very bright light i may be able to go hand held and if the light isnt as good then maybe a tripod??? .. with a 300D??? |
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12/27/2006 03:22:55 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by faidoi:
Older Sonys p&s like the F717 is suppose to be really good for handheld IR shooting. |
that model actually has built-in IR mode, that's why. |
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12/27/2006 03:26:44 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by xxrozxx:
ok ..
i wouldnt want to modify my 400D...
is it possible to buy second hand 300D that i could use with an infrared filter .. supposing that the Hoya R72 would be compatible with it and also that i'd be able to go hand held ...
and not knowing the nature of the beast i'm supposing that in very bright light i may be able to go hand held and if the light isnt as good then maybe a tripod??? .. with a 300D??? |
With conversion, yes. Without, you're in the same boat. |
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12/27/2006 03:39:32 AM · #10 |
hi  crayon, are you saying the 300D has a built-in IR mode?
and hi  TechnoShroom, are you saying that it doesnt have a built-in IR mode but i'd have to convert the camera?
obviously i wouldnt know who is right in this case ....
and often the shop assistants in the camera 'shops' know bugger all ...
hi  Bear_Music, and going back to the beginning of this thread where you suggest i'd have to use a tripod ... i cant even see anything thru the viewfinder ...
do i take the IR filter off the lens and line up the shot, then put it back on to take the shot??..
and thankyou to anyone who replies for your time and patience ...
Message edited by author 2006-12-27 03:46:42. |
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12/27/2006 03:55:50 AM · #11 |
| crayon is saying that some older Sony Point and Shoot cameras have an IR mode, not the 300D. |
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12/27/2006 04:08:30 AM · #12 |
for the last month, i thought i could just go out and buy an IR filter, screw it on and away i'd go ... that dream has now been squashed ...
i've just been into the site that Gordon suggested ... ie Lifepixel and now realise that this is going to require time, patience and KNOWLEDGE ...
i'm still keen, but it seems as if i'd have to get another camera which would allow a conversion ... i cant see a way of taking IR with my existing 400D without modifying it?? which i'm not going to do .. putting the IR filter on and off to take shots would be a pain, and then there's the focus problem ....
are any dpc ppl upgrading to another camera and want to sell their current one? ... ie. a camera that can take a IR conversion of course ...
I WILL PAY WOT YOU RECKON THE CAMERA IS WORTH ...
then there's the lens ....from wot i've now found out, some lenses just wont handle taking IR shots ....
i think i've created a monster ... |
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12/27/2006 04:09:18 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by skylercall:
crayon is saying that some older Sony Point and Shoot cameras have an IR mode, not the 300D. |
Right and bear was saying that it would be smarter to use an older camera for conversion rather than a spiffy new one (voiding warranty, reducing usefulness, etc). Same reason why I'll be converting my 10D to IR in a couple months rather than my 30D. |
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12/27/2006 04:11:04 AM · #14 |
ok ...
new topic ...
has anyone got an older camera, preferably canon, that would convert to IR, that they want to sell ...
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12/27/2006 04:19:30 AM · #15 |
I once almost went and have my main camera modified for IR, but the guys on this site stopped me. It's a good thing too, coz I later acquired a used Nikon E800 for a cheap price and used it for taking IR shots instead. Total cost was very cheap - Hoya R72 IR filter, 28-55mm step-up ring. The Nikon E800 was one of those older cameras that was sensitive to IR without modification.
Anyway, to cut story short, I'd advise you to find a used camera and modify it for IR instead. Dont ruin your new 400D for what might be just a passing interest. I realize I dont take IR shots that much, and thank the guys who stopped me from modifying my main camera - what a save!
p/s: try looking at eBay or any place where they sell used stuff. You can usually find cheap cameras for your IR interest - just be a bit patient.
I took this handheld on a rather sunny day. And yes, my E800 was not modified. I wonder how much better it could be if I did remove the IR filter ;)
Message edited by author 2006-12-27 04:21:54. |
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12/27/2006 04:23:26 AM · #16 |
thank you so much everyone ...
and once again, if anyone knows anyone else who wants to get rid of their existing camera, please dont forget me ...
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12/27/2006 05:29:22 AM · #17 |
Another way to get into IR and still be able to point and shoot is to get yourself a TLR (twin lens reflex) camera. Rolleis are pretty expensive, but you can get a Yashica TLR in decent condition for less than you'd spend on converting a digital camera.
Yes, it means going back to using film. :)
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12/27/2006 06:00:47 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by paddles:
Yes, it means going back to using film. :) |
Not necessarily ... ;>þ |
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12/27/2006 06:19:11 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by paddles:
Another way to get into IR and still be able to point and shoot is to get yourself a TLR (twin lens reflex) camera. Rolleis are pretty expensive, but you can get a Yashica TLR in decent condition for less than you'd spend on converting a digital camera.
Yes, it means going back to using film. :) |
The only problem with this is that medium format film is expensive to buy and even more expensive to develop. I would get a used 35mm SLR and use that instead. I have been contemplating doint this for a while and I think I'm gonna even though I already own several MF cameras as well as a few 35mm rangefinders.
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12/27/2006 09:50:49 AM · #20 |
| Another option is to look for a camera that's already been modified. There are quite a few IR-modified Canon bodies out there, and they do show up used. |
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12/27/2006 10:11:49 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by xxrozxx:
... i cant even see anything thru the viewfinder ...
do i take the IR filter off the lens and line up the shot, then put it back on to take the shot??..
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With a DSLR, using an IR filter over the lens, that's exactly what you have to do. Since IR is outside the visible spectrum, your eye won't see much, if anything through it. (Technically, the R72 is near IR and not really IR, true IR filters are absolutely opaque, but that's another discussion.)
The lifepixel guys can put the IR filter over the sensor, so you look through the camera and all looks normal, but it records IR only.
With a PnS camera, you can see the image on the LCD, since the camera will translate that IR into a visible image. That's one advantage to using a PnS type of camera for IR stuff.
I had good results with an unmodified Canon G5, but I still needed a tripod. one of those would be a good choice to modify, if you were looking for a camera to do that.
Message edited by author 2006-12-27 10:16:00. |
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12/27/2006 10:37:18 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by xxrozxx:
for the last month, i thought i could just go out and buy an IR filter, screw it on and away i'd go ... that dream has now been squashed ...
i've just been into the site that Gordon suggested ... ie Lifepixel and now realise that this is going to require time, patience and KNOWLEDGE ...
i'm still keen, but it seems as if i'd have to get another camera which would allow a conversion ... i cant see a way of taking IR with my existing 400D without modifying it?? which i'm not going to do .. putting the IR filter on and off to take shots would be a pain, and then there's the focus problem ....
are any dpc ppl upgrading to another camera and want to sell their current one? ... ie. a camera that can take a IR conversion of course ...
I WILL PAY WOT YOU RECKON THE CAMERA IS WORTH ...
then there's the lens ....from wot i've now found out, some lenses just wont handle taking IR shots ....
i think i've created a monster ... |
You think that takes patience try shooting infrared with 35mm film.
I tried that a couple times 20 years ago... |
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12/27/2006 10:48:25 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by lakota:
Originally posted by xxrozxx:
for the last month, i thought i could just go out and buy an IR filter, screw it on and away i'd go ... that dream has now been squashed ...
i've just been into the site that Gordon suggested ... ie Lifepixel and now realise that this is going to require time, patience and KNOWLEDGE ...
i'm still keen, but it seems as if i'd have to get another camera which would allow a conversion ... i cant see a way of taking IR with my existing 400D without modifying it?? which i'm not going to do .. putting the IR filter on and off to take shots would be a pain, and then there's the focus problem ....
are any dpc ppl upgrading to another camera and want to sell their current one? ... ie. a camera that can take a IR conversion of course ...
I WILL PAY WOT YOU RECKON THE CAMERA IS WORTH ...
then there's the lens ....from wot i've now found out, some lenses just wont handle taking IR shots ....
i think i've created a monster ... |
You think that takes patience try shooting infrared with 35mm film.
I tried that a couple times 20 years ago... |
What? You're still waiting for the photos?? Blimey, that's a long exposure! |
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12/27/2006 11:28:34 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by lakota:
You think that takes patience try shooting infrared with 35mm film.
I tried that a couple times 20 years ago... |
Actually, at least for me, shooting HIE film was much easier than shooting IR digitally. I say easier if you didn't mind developing the HIE yourself. ;-)
With HIE, I was able to shoot IR handheld using a #25 red filter with an average shutter speed of 1/30-1/60.
I miss my HIE sometimes. ;-) |
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12/27/2006 01:11:15 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by xxrozxx:
i cant see a way of taking IR with my existing 400D without modifying it?? |
The only real way is compose, on a tripod, without the IR filter in place, focus, switch to manual focus then screw the filter on and shoot. It certainly works, though the exposures will be long.
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