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12/15/2006 12:12:01 PM · #101 |
It seems I hit the balance between photography and digital art pretty well.
Jutilda left me the best comment. :)
Votes: 86
Views: 162
Avg Vote: 6.4302
Comments: 7
Favorites: 1
Not having Art ROFLMAO in this, though, is like having a , um. Metaphors fail me.
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12/15/2006 12:27:11 PM · #102 |
| I'm floored that people are blaze about the results. I am totally wowed and keep going back again and again because I am so thrilled with the creativity. And not one baby or puppy. ROFL |
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12/15/2006 12:32:45 PM · #103 |
Votes: 94
Avg Vote: 7.2447
Comments: 20
Favorites: 3
Wish Lists: 1
This is what I had hoped for. I just may have to stop entering all together after this week. I am afraid I may have peaked.
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12/15/2006 12:38:00 PM · #104 |
I was thinking the exact same thing about myself. But I got a few good ideas for upcoming challenges so I will be returning back to my 5.2 form after this one is over.
Originally posted by timfythetoo:
Votes: 94
Avg Vote: 7.2447
Comments: 20
Favorites: 3
Wish Lists: 1
This is what I had hoped for. I just may have to stop entering all together after this week. I am afraid I may have peaked. |
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12/15/2006 12:42:35 PM · #105 |
Question (I know...curiosity killed the cat...meowwwwwwww)
Challenge: "Make the sky a key element of your photograph" is the description.
WHERE does it say the image must have ALL expert editing?
IF challenge is advanced editing...does it require use of ALL things permissible in advanced? Therefore, does expert editing challenge REQUIRE use of all things (PP tools) expert editing rules allow?
Reason I ask is...I keep reading...low/high score if does or does not have superior HDR or some such...OR low/high score because picture is great in basic edit rules butttttttt.
How about,(my 2 cents that will probably cost my 2 bucks worth of gettin my butt chewed) voters score the picture on if it appeals to them and why or why not they score it well/bad. Just seems pictures aren't voted on for how the voter perceives the technical/artistic/emotive WHATEVER aspect(s).
summation...Advanced Rules Challenges don't use all PP options allowed nor did EVERY photographer use all options available under expert challenge rules...Does that make the picture score well or not so well?
Thanks :-) gl to everyone :-) I love the images I've seen...for whatever reason everyone that has a shot in had a REASON they entered it ;-)
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12/15/2006 12:50:16 PM · #106 |
Originally posted by msdoubletrouble:
How about,(my 2 cents that will probably cost my 2 bucks worth of gettin my butt chewed) voters score the picture on if it appeals to them and why or why not they score it well/bad. Just seems pictures aren't voted on for how the voter perceives the technical/artistic/emotive WHATEVER aspect(s). |
I think you are completely right and wish that everyone else thought like you :D
AAAAnyway, after my last night frustration, today I woke up to see a better score (not ribbon territory tough), a lot of nice comments (and some that didnt got the whole point of the picture) and 3 favs (a first for me) :D so just with that I am happy :D I guess this is a "love it or hate it" challenge...
Message edited by author 2006-12-15 12:51:39. |
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12/15/2006 12:51:09 PM · #107 |
Originally posted by msdoubletrouble:
IF challenge is advanced editing...does it require use of ALL things permissible in advanced? Therefore, does expert editing challenge REQUIRE use of all things (PP tools) expert editing rules allow? |
For what it's worth, here's the way I look at it; to a large degree, the "challenge" is always to perfect our images. The ruleset that is used often is a factor in how well we can perfect the image. I usually take this into account when scoring. For example, in the old ruleset I used to not deduct points for dust spots in basic editing, but I would be less tolerant of the same in advanced editing.
So now, with this "expert" ruleset, the bar has been raised a little more; there's really nothing you CAN'T do to perfect your purely photographic image, if you take the effort to do so. This doesn't mean you have to go overboard making wild-ass changes to the image, importing elements from other photos and so forth, but to me at least it DOES mean you should be making use of the expanded available tool set to perfect your image, and that's part of my approach to the scoring; I am less tolerant of visible flaws when judging by this ruleset.
Does that make sense?
R.
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12/15/2006 12:54:09 PM · #108 |
Originally posted by msdoubletrouble:
WHERE does it say the image must have ALL expert editing? |
Exactly.
This kind of hits me funny, because for all that I can do in Photoshop, I didn't.
Message edited by author 2006-12-15 13:06:41. |
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12/15/2006 12:59:33 PM · #109 |
| Lots of excellent images here. It seems that the new rule set has inspired a level of creativity I have not previously seen at DPC. There are some wild compositions, but also many that are truly beautiful. It is a pleasure to review and vote in this competition. |
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12/15/2006 01:23:36 PM · #110 |
Votes: 93
Views: 147
Avg Vote: 6.1398
Comments: 2
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 12/15/06 01:18 pm
mine seems pretty stagnant. looks like everyone is doing quite well for the most part.
this was an interesting challenge. i, too, did not use much "expert editing"
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12/15/2006 02:29:52 PM · #111 |
I didn't enter... Really enjoyed viewing the shots.
For all the people complaining, I guess that is why SC has decided to keep the basic and the advanced editing challenges untouched? And that way everyone can have something that they like. I guess a lot of people wanted to try this one out and see what it's like, since it's the first, but I think that if people don't like it after this then it'll make sense to just stick to the other challenges. |
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12/15/2006 02:48:56 PM · #112 |
I didnt enter this one... because it was raining ALL WEEK... but this has been great fun to view and vote on... I gave out quite a few tens... and very few low scores... of the tens I gave out... there was a good distribution between highly ps'd images and those with little editing.... It just depends on whether your editing (no matter the extent) is effective and skillfully done or not....
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12/15/2006 02:50:51 PM · #113 |
Originally posted by Jutilda:
And not one baby or puppy. ROFL |
I tried, but I could never get a focus lock before they hit the ground.
*ducks and runs*
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12/15/2006 05:03:53 PM · #114 |
| I'm really troubled by the view that some share regarding the 'digital art' look of some of the images and how they are voting them poorly or not at all.I do agree that if you know your bias and can't score a certain style fairly you should abstain from voting but I do think in this case you should abstain from voting on the challenge period as I feel that the results become skewed as a result of selective voting. The other problem I have is that the rules for the challenge were never a secret and definately allow for a much broader scope for artistic lisence in all forms. Knowing this, perhaps it's better to accept that some challenges are not for everybody and only those that 'like' this type of approach should involve themselves. I don't see the reasoning behind the complaints or the scoring patterns at all since participation is totally voluntary before and after the opening bell. |
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12/15/2006 05:07:18 PM · #115 |
Originally posted by Qart:
I'm really troubled by the view that some share regarding the 'digital art' look of some of the images and how they are voting them poorly or not at all.I do agree that if you know your bias and can't score a certain style fairly you should abstain from voting but I do think in this case you should abstain from voting on the challenge period as I feel that the results become skewed as a result of selective voting. The other problem I have is that the rules for the challenge were never a secret and definately allow for a much broader scope for artistic lisence in all forms. Knowing this, perhaps it's better to accept that some challenges are not for everybody and only those that 'like' this type of approach should involve themselves. I don't see the reasoning behind the complaints or the scoring patterns at all since participation is totally voluntary before and after the opening bell. |
Allelujah!!!! Now...about my disgusting score.....!
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12/15/2006 05:13:28 PM · #116 |
I have to say that I was literally blown away by A LOT of the images! WOW!
We have some fantastic "arteests" here for sure!
I have given more 10s in this challenge than ever!
And as for ''expert editing", it's like ''letting a kid loose in a candy store!" |
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12/15/2006 05:14:29 PM · #117 |
Originally posted by Qart:
I'm really troubled by the view that some share regarding the 'digital art' look of some of the images and how they are voting them poorly or not at all.I do agree that if you know your bias and can't score a certain style fairly you should abstain from voting but I do think in this case you should abstain from voting on the challenge period as I feel that the results become skewed as a result of selective voting. The other problem I have is that the rules for the challenge were never a secret and definately allow for a much broader scope for artistic lisence in all forms. Knowing this, perhaps it's better to accept that some challenges are not for everybody and only those that 'like' this type of approach should involve themselves. I don't see the reasoning behind the complaints or the scoring patterns at all since participation is totally voluntary before and after the opening bell. |
Yes I agree in some ways. I'm one that doesn't really like the "digital art" entries as much as some of the others but I also think it's unfair to give them all 1's for example. My average vote in this challenge was 6.81 which is way above my profile average of 5.36. I think we should give this rule set a fair chance - it is being used in a trial capacity.
Besides, some people have put a lot of effort into their entries.
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12/15/2006 05:15:16 PM · #118 |
What a great collection of digital art and photos!!
At least 5 tens! and nothing under 5 from me.
Some are so good, I would put them on my wall, and nothing really ever gets on my wall.
Well done to all who entered this challenge!! |
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12/15/2006 05:19:17 PM · #119 |
NOOO! MY SCORE IS GOING DOWN!
Votes: 110
Views: 174
Avg Vote: 5.2909
Comments: 3
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 12/15/06 05:15 pm
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12/15/2006 05:34:32 PM · #120 |
The controverse around this challenge has made it so popular that is scary.. I was comparing the number of votes of my submissions...
Dirt (5 days of voting) 160 votes
Pet Portrait (3 days of voting) 168 votes
The whole week of Self Portrait (the last one) 279 votes (and it has been my highest rated and most viewed challenge entry)
And now this.. Sky 115 votes in 16 hours... |
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12/15/2006 05:38:35 PM · #121 |
| Somewhat Off-Topic Question: When is the next 30-day self-portrait challenge? |
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12/15/2006 05:38:43 PM · #122 |
Originally posted by sodoff:
What a great collection of digital art and photos!!
At least 5 tens! and nothing under 5 from me.
Some are so good, I would put them on my wall, and nothing really ever gets on my wall. Well done to all who entered this challenge!! |
I am with you! I gave a lot of 10's today! :)
Great job to all those who submitted their entries to this challenge! :) |
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12/15/2006 05:42:58 PM · #123 |
Originally posted by MeGoobie:
Somewhat Off-Topic Question: When is the next 30-day self-portrait challenge? |
Whenever you start it ;-)
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12/15/2006 05:53:34 PM · #124 |
Originally posted by Qart:
I'm really troubled by the view that some share regarding the 'digital art' look of some of the images and how they are voting them poorly or not at all. |
I refer you both to the thread where they announced this rule set and the rule set itself.
In particular, the first paragraph of the rules says "Please remember, however, that this is a photography contest. You are encouraged to keep your entries photographic in nature, and voters are encouraged to rate entries accordingly."
Thus, I think it's up to each of us to decide what we think is "photographic in nature and ... rate entries accordingly."
There are things one can do to a photo that move it too much away from my vision of photography to want to see it win DPC challenges. Where I draw that line will, of course, differ from where others draw it.
Collectively, DPC's community must decide what wins the highest average vote. We don't hold long meetings to determine that, we vote. Per the SC's intent, then, I intend to use my vote to show what kinds of manipulation meet my interpretation of photographic nature and what kinds don't.
That said, I'm trying in my comments to make it clear when I think an image is very nice but I'm not voting it highly because I think it isn't photographic in nature.
Edited to add that I don't ask anyone else to vote like me, and I love the new rule set. You shouldn't think I'm telling you where the line is, but neither should you tell me where it is. I look forward to seeing how the average voter judges!
Message edited by author 2006-12-15 18:06:00.
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12/15/2006 05:55:47 PM · #125 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by MeGoobie:
Somewhat Off-Topic Question: When is the next 30-day self-portrait challenge? |
Whenever you start it ;-) |
Leroy, you're such a smartypants.
MeGoobie, neither self-portrait challenge was an "official" challenge and they weren't voted on. They were more group projects.
Hence, Leroy's answer is actually correct: if you want to start one up, go to the Side Challenges and Tournaments forum and post a note asking whether anyone wants to join you. When I joined the September one, it was a terrific experience.
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