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12/07/2006 08:02:37 PM · #1
With the November test-run of the new Basic and Advanced Rules complete, we would like to take a moment to thank everyone who provided feedback both in advance of the changes and during the test period. Based on the feedback we have received, as well as the content of the challenges run during this test period, we believe that we should move forward with the rules as presented, with three very minor changes:

1. In both sets of rules, "US Eastern Standard Time" will be changed to "US Eastern Standard/Daylight Time." This is to emphasize that the server time is subject to Daylight Saving (Summer) time adjustments.

2. In both sets of rules, "ensure that your camera date and time are correctly set to your local time zone before shooting your entry." The word "local" will be changed to "home," to clarify that you need not change your camera's clock when traveling.

3. In the Basic Rules only, "You may... use a cloning tool or small healing brush for the sole purpose of removing sensor dust or hot pixels. No other spot-editing is allowed." will be changed to "You may not... spot-edit your entry, except to remove sensor dust or hot pixels." This does not change the substance of the rule, but we believe that moving this into the "you may not" section makes the most sense, as most spot-editing is prohibited.

All of the above changes are meant to be clarifications, rather than changes. They should have no practical effect on the rules themselves, but are intended to make them easier for new users to understand.

The Surprise:

We have had enthusiastic discussions about the possibility of special, additional rule sets which could be used from time to time in selected "off-cycle" challenges. The new format of the rules makes these much easier to design, and we believe they would add some additional variety and excitement to our challenges. Ultimately, we envision a variety of rule sets, ranging from nearly no editing to nearly unlimited editing, as well as rule sets designed for special-interest topics such as photojournalism.

Over the last few weeks, we have developed a trial version of the first of these new rule sets. Known as the Expert Editing rules, these new rules permit a wide variety of modifications. As noted in the overview, "A full range of editing tools are allowed for touch-up and enhancement as well as for image modification. Please remember, however, that this is a photography contest. You are encouraged to keep your entries photographic in nature, and voters are encouraged to rate entries accordingly."

Please note, however, that under these rules, you still may not add graphics, clip art and text during post-processing. You may combine multiple photographs to produce your submission.

Please take a moment to read the new Expert Rules, and to post any questions here. Barring any major flaws, the first challenge to use the Expert Rules will begin Friday night at midnight. The rules are on the following page:

//www.dpchallenge.com/challenge_rules.php?RULES_ID=14

Thanks again to everyone who provided feedback.
DPChallenge Site Council

Message edited by author 2006-12-07 22:58:00.
12/07/2006 08:05:52 PM · #2
Link failure

"Invalid RULES_ID, please check the URL and try again."
12/07/2006 08:10:29 PM · #3
Originally posted by strangeghost:

Link failure

"Invalid RULES_ID, please check the URL and try again."


Uh-oh... Langdon will prolly have to correct that. It comes up for me, so I'd guess it needs it's "public access" turned on. L is off line until late this evening, so we'll have to sit tight.
12/07/2006 08:11:17 PM · #4
Crud... tell me Langdon made the link SC only :-\
12/07/2006 08:11:58 PM · #5
COPY OF THE RULES - FOR NOW :)

Expert Editing
Overview


Expert Editing places minimal restrictions on your post-processing. A full range of editing tools are allowed for touch-up and enhancement as well as for image modification. Please remember, however, that this is a photography contest. You are encouraged to keep your entries photographic in nature, and voters are encouraged to rate entries accordingly.

All disqualifications are determined by majority vote of the Site Council. If you have any questions, you should err on the side of caution or contact the Site Council before submitting your entry. Entries that violate the letter or spirit of these rules will be disqualified.

Any of these rules may be overridden by the “Extra Rules” section of the Challenge Details.


REQUIREMENTS

Your submission must be:


* taken with a digital camera that records EXIF data.
* a JPEG (.jpg) file.
* no larger than 150 KB (153,600 bytes).
* at least 160 pixels, and no more than 640 pixels on each side.
* composed only from photographs taken after the challenge is announced and before the deadline, based on the Current Server Time (US Eastern Standard/Daylight Time) displayed at the bottom of every page on this site.
* taken and post-processed by you. Someone else may press the shutter button if you set up the shot and the camera settings. No one else may post-process your entry for you. Exceptions must be approved by the Site Council in advance.

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You should:


* keep your entry photographic in nature. Though violating this guideline is not grounds for disqualification, voters are encouraged to rate entries accordingly.

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You must:


* comply with the DPChallenge Terms of Use.
* ensure that your camera date and time are correctly set to your home time zone before shooting any images used to produce your entry. If the date recorded in any original image file is not within the specified challenge dates, your entry will be disqualified – NO exceptions! If your photo was taken in a different location than indicated in your profile, please note the location in the submission form so that we can adjust accordingly.
* retain your original, unedited file(s) (exactly as recorded by your camera), and provide it/them to the Site Council along with a list of your editing steps within 48 hours of any validation request. This notice with instructions will be sent to your listed email address, and will also appear on the left side of your DPChallenge home page when you are logged in. Files that have been saved or altered with any editing or transfer software are NOT originals.

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You may:

* use any feature of your camera while photographing your entry.
* combine multiple photographs to produce your entry. All additional photographs must be taken by you after the challenge is announced with a digital camera that records EXIF data.
* use images that do not meet the source or date requirements as textures in your entry if they function specifically as textures and not to circumvent other rules.
* apply a full range of editing tools to all or part of your entry.
* use layers, layer masks, and alternative layer modes.
* add a border to the outside edge of your entry.
* use RAW conversion software.
* request removal of your own entry during the voting period IF none of your last 25 entries were disqualified or removed, and no rules were violated.
* include existing images or artwork as part of your composition as long as the entry does not appear to consist entirely of a pre-existing photograph in order to circumvent date or editing rules or fool the voters into thinking you actually captured the original photograph.

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You may not:

* hold more than one DPChallenge account, ask anyone to vote on your behalf, or link to your entry’s voting page.
* submit more than one entry per challenge.
* use the same original image in more than one challenge.
* add graphics or clip art images to your entry or its border during editing.
* add text or any legible characters to your entry or its border during editing. This includes copyright statements.
* submit a photograph depicting male or female genitalia, or acts of sex deemed inappropriate by a majority of the Site Council.

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Penalties

An entry will be disqualified when a majority of the Site Council finds that any of the rules above were not followed.

In order to discourage repeated disqualifications and abuse of the disqualification system, the following penalties will apply for repeat disqualifications:

* 1st DQ in last 25 submissions: No penalty
* 2nd DQ in last 25 submissions: 1 week suspension of submission privileges
* 3rd DQ in last 25 submissions: 2 week suspension of submission privileges
* 4th DQ in last 25 submissions: 4 week suspension of submission privileges and 3 months of required “pre-submission” of proof file.

The above penalties will be assessed only after review by the Site Council. In exceptional circumstances, the Site Council may elect not to apply a penalty. If a user is found to have intentionally violated the Challenge Rules, the above penalties will be in addition to any assessed for the violation itself.

Message edited by author 2006-12-07 20:20:55.
12/07/2006 08:12:59 PM · #6
Originally posted by ursula:

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Crud... tell me Langdon made the link SC only :-\


He did. I logged out and can't see it. Logged in, I can no problem. :))))

There are special rules for SC only - I KNEW it!!! :D
12/07/2006 08:13:14 PM · #7
I LOVE playing the spoiler.

<hehehe>
12/07/2006 08:14:32 PM · #8
Not very elegant, but I copied the new ruleset into the post below. It's a bit hard to read this way, but at least it will give an idea of them until Langdon can fix the link.
12/07/2006 08:16:05 PM · #9
Originally posted by ursula:

Not very elegant, but I copied the new ruleset into the post below. It's a bit hard to read this way, but at least it will give an idea of them until Langdon can fix the link.


Good thought!
12/07/2006 08:22:00 PM · #10
Great new ruleset. I guess my question is regarding:

1. You may: use images that do not meet the source or date requirements as textures in your entry if they function specifically as textures and not to circumvent other rules.

2. You may not: use the same original image in more than one challenge.

I assume 2. does not apply to 1.? Or..?
12/07/2006 08:23:58 PM · #11
I've posted the rules to my personal website, and updated the links above.

The new rules are at //clubjuggle.com/ExpertEditing.php until Langdon fixes the real page.

~Terry
12/07/2006 08:24:54 PM · #12
Originally posted by Louis:

Great new ruleset. I guess my question is regarding:

1. You may: use images that do not meet the source or date requirements as textures in your entry if they function specifically as textures and not to circumvent other rules.

2. You may not: use the same original image in more than one challenge.

I assume 2. does not apply to 1.? Or..?


I'm not sure I follow your question. I don't see how they contradict each other.

~Terry
12/07/2006 08:25:28 PM · #13
Holy Crap! Someone ban Joey and Kiwiness, quick! :P
12/07/2006 08:25:39 PM · #14
I like this idea of special rulesets. Any chance we can have a special ruleset that bars certain serial ribbon winners from entering? :P

ETA: It seems I am on the same wavelength as wavelength. :P

Message edited by author 2006-12-07 20:26:28.
12/07/2006 08:26:57 PM · #15
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Originally posted by Louis:

Great new ruleset. I guess my question is regarding:

1. You may: use images that do not meet the source or date requirements as textures in your entry if they function specifically as textures and not to circumvent other rules.

2. You may not: use the same original image in more than one challenge.

I assume 2. does not apply to 1.? Or..?


I'm not sure I follow your question. I don't see how they contradict each other.

~Terry


I think he is asking if you can use the same texture in more than one challenge.
12/07/2006 08:27:32 PM · #16
Expert Rules = Great Idea. Good job folks. The new challenge this weekend might motivate me off my fat behind to submit a pic!
12/07/2006 08:27:39 PM · #17
Originally posted by Louis:

Great new ruleset. I guess my question is regarding:

1. You may: use images that do not meet the source or date requirements as textures in your entry if they function specifically as textures and not to circumvent other rules.

2. You may not: use the same original image in more than one challenge.

I assume 2. does not apply to 1.? Or..?


The same texture file can be used in more than one challenge, but only when used as a texture file (a file to add texture to photo, the same way as many texturizing filters work).

Message edited by author 2006-12-07 20:29:00.
12/07/2006 08:28:39 PM · #18
Originally posted by yanko:

I like this idea of special rulesets. Any chance we can have a special ruleset that bars certain serial ribbon winners from entering? :P

ETA: It seems I am on the same wavelength as wavelength. :P


I agree. All male users with more than 10 ribbons need to be banned.
12/07/2006 08:29:24 PM · #19
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Originally posted by Louis:

Great new ruleset. I guess my question is regarding:

1. You may: use images that do not meet the source or date requirements as textures in your entry if they function specifically as textures and not to circumvent other rules.

2. You may not: use the same original image in more than one challenge.

I assume 2. does not apply to 1.? Or..?


I'm not sure I follow your question. I don't see how they contradict each other.

~Terry


I think he is asking if you can use the same texture in more than one challenge.


Also, can you use a past challenge entry as a texture for another entry?
12/07/2006 08:29:58 PM · #20
What Ursula said. The rules are writtten to allow files that are out of the challenge dates, or not taken with a digital camera, to be used, but as textures only, not as an integral component of the final composition. Make sense?

Message edited by author 2006-12-07 20:30:57.
12/07/2006 08:30:12 PM · #21
Wow, that's great news! :)
I'm looking forward to the first challenge!

I have one problem with the "text" rules:
if you use a text-brush to create subtle texture with it - does it count as "texture" and is permitted or as "text" and is forbidden?
12/07/2006 08:31:26 PM · #22
cool! can't wait for the first expert challenge! :p
12/07/2006 08:32:04 PM · #23
Originally posted by scaramanga:

Wow, that's great news! :)
I'm looking forward to the first challenge!

I have one problem with the "text" rules:
if you use a text-brush to create subtle texture with it - does it count as "texture" and is permitted or as "text" and is forbidden?


If it is recognizable as text (readable) it's probably gonna fall afoul of the rule. that's my personal interpretation, based on our discussions.
12/07/2006 08:32:43 PM · #24
Originally posted by scaramanga:

Wow, that's great news! :)
I'm looking forward to the first challenge!

I have one problem with the "text" rules:
if you use a text-brush to create subtle texture with it - does it count as "texture" and is permitted or as "text" and is forbidden?


If it is readable as text, looks like text, then it would count as text. If you can't tell it is "text", then it's OK.

Kirbic might be able to say this much better.

(and he beat me to it :)

Message edited by author 2006-12-07 20:33:08.
12/07/2006 08:33:41 PM · #25
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Originally posted by Louis:

Great new ruleset. I guess my question is regarding:

1. You may: use images that do not meet the source or date requirements as textures in your entry if they function specifically as textures and not to circumvent other rules.

2. You may not: use the same original image in more than one challenge.

I assume 2. does not apply to 1.? Or..?


I'm not sure I follow your question. I don't see how they contradict each other.

~Terry


Can you use the same texture file in more than one challenge?

edit: Just saw Ursula's and kirbic's responses, thanks. Yes, makes sense, thank you.

Message edited by author 2006-12-07 20:36:00.
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