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11/30/2006 01:42:17 AM · #76 |
Originally posted by crayon:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I do wonder also if some of the nicer voters are taking a break and leaving only the "meaner" voters. :-) |
i haven't voted much lately (few months now) because of these "pointless" forum debates on voting style. (Leroy, where are the nudes???) |
Nudes --- ha... trolls LOVE nudes..."mmm tasty nude let me view it 25 times and then give it a 2."
Maybe I shall do more after WPL3 is over.
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11/30/2006 01:45:11 AM · #77 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
This is not a precision drill troop. What does that have to do with voting anyway? It's irrelevant. |
The point I was trying to make, (which was obviously lost on you), was that while your decision to give everyone a one is indeed your unalienable right, such a decision shouldn't be construed as being RIGHT.
By all means, vote all the ones you like, but the "Correctness" of such a decision is questionable. Just because you view your actions as being correct does not make them so.
Stated succinctly... the point I was making is that your views in this regard are somewhat skewed and "out of step".
Ray |
Your point wasn't lost. It's just irrelevant.
My opinion is just that, MY OPINION. It's not subject to your approval, or the approval of anyone other than myself. I am the sole arbiter of whether my opinion is right or wrong. I also am the only one who can change my opinion and I don't require anyone's consent to do so.
If my opinion is "skewed" why does that bother you? Do you feel the need to conform within the bounds of what is "normal" and to make sure that others conform as well?
Groupthink anyone? |
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11/30/2006 01:52:04 AM · #78 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Groupthink anyone? |
Can I have mine with vodka?
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11/30/2006 01:55:10 AM · #79 |
I can't wait til we have this exact same discussion next week :)
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11/30/2006 02:12:41 AM · #80 |
Originally posted by jdannels:
I can't wait til we have this exact same discussion next week :) |
they are like re-runs of some old soap opera on TV. |
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11/30/2006 02:50:13 AM · #81 |
Originally posted by jdannels:
I can't wait til we have this exact same discussion next week :) |
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11/30/2006 03:31:32 AM · #82 |
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11/30/2006 04:07:37 AM · #83 |
| Not sure about the logic here - i just looked and my average vote is 3.71. I only vote on challenges I entered or thought seriously about entering. I try to take voting quite seriously. I do a quick vote and then go back through and check and amend all my votes. 4 and below means I don't like a picture. 5 means I'm happy with it. 6 and above is good. I usually have a few 9's and a couple of 10's. I have on occasion given a 4 to a picture that medalled - and I don't very often pick the top few very accurately. I don't leave comments because I don't consider myself to be sufficiently knowledgable that anyone would benefit from my constructive criticism. I don't regard myself as a troll voter. |
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11/30/2006 05:13:40 AM · #84 |
What is "good" and "bad" in terms of photography is subjective, all art is. Personally, I have a low average and in return my photos score low so I guess it evens out.
What about monitoring mean comments? I was pretty sure there was a negative racial comment on one of my photos. I'm too scared to call him or her on it, it might just be me being too sensitive about comments.
Back to voting...my average vote cast is about a 5.0 which is low compared to the statistics given in this forum. Does that make me a troll because I am mean and vote low? Or because the majority of voters just happen to vote higher than I do? |
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11/30/2006 08:27:21 AM · #85 |
Originally posted by Kismet:
What about monitoring mean comments? I was pretty sure there was a negative racial comment on one of my photos. I'm too scared to call him or her on it, it might just be me being too sensitive about comments. |
Click the 'report post' button next to the comment and let the SC sort it out. You shouldn't be scared about things like that. If something bothers you then it's easy to fix.
Message edited by author 2006-11-30 08:27:36. |
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11/30/2006 08:36:23 AM · #86 |
A lot of people have avg vote cast of close to 5 and lower.
I'm at 6.4897
Time to get tougher :O |
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11/30/2006 08:42:15 AM · #87 |
Originally posted by crayon:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I do wonder also if some of the nicer voters are taking a break and leaving only the "meaner" voters. :-) |
i haven't voted much lately (few months now) because of these "pointless" forum debates on voting style. (Leroy, where are the nudes???) |
I haven't voted much lately (nor have I participated in very many challenges lately). I am seven months pregnant and find sitting in this damn chair in front of the computer VERY uncomfortable. I also have a soon-to-be two year old that DEMANDS much of my attention throughout the day.
I am quite happy with my scoring method and my average vote. I expect my average will remain about where it is.
Message edited by author 2006-11-30 08:47:53.
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11/30/2006 08:48:20 AM · #88 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
That is just absurd. Can you not read? |
Yes, quite well thank you... and in more than one language.
Ray |
I was just curious because you either didn't read what Spaz said or you misinterpreted it heavily.
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11/30/2006 09:05:44 AM · #89 |
| After careful reading of this thread, I think the only fair thing to do is give everyone 10s. |
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11/30/2006 09:08:34 AM · #90 |
Originally posted by mist:
After careful reading of this thread, I think the only fair thing to do is give everyone 10s. |
I agree totally. Then everyone wins :)
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11/30/2006 09:11:04 AM · #91 |
I'll just give everyone 6s and 7s, except Larus. He'll get a 3. :-)
But then before you know it, everyone will complain about getting too many 6s. |
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11/30/2006 09:15:58 AM · #92 |
I just think its funny how often these threads come up -- you can check back through the archives and find similar threads almost to the day DPC launched. We all wish everyone would vote the way we vote... just doesn't happen that way.
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11/30/2006 09:19:01 AM · #93 |
I wonder if some of the perceived low voting can be attributed to cultural differences. There has been much discussion on many threads about the DPC voting following academic scores. Different parts of the world have different academic scoring and maybe this influences the way people vote.
In the UK, when I went to school, which admittedly is a long time ago, a C= 50% and was considered a pass, a B=60% and A=70% and above. This probably influences the way I vote to a certain extent - certainly it's not intentional to vote low, but it's also difficult not to think A, B, C, D using the old high school marking system.
Perhaps others have the same kind of influences.
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by stdavidson:
Originally posted by persimon:
I must be the antithesis of the common troll. My average vote is 7.5001. |
A 7.5 is 75% of a "good" (by site definition) score. That would be a middle "C" rating in the world of education. It would seem reasonable that the average DPC image would score at middle "C" level.
In pure numerical terms you are probably scoring about right. |
That "good" is not a "site definition", it's just a directional marker; they have bad on one side and good on the other. I'd personally prefer to see "worse" and "better" or something like that.
You can't use academic grading profiles like "75% = C+" in a place like this; that kind of grading only applies in cases where there are right and wrong answers, and that's emphatically not what we are dealing with here. Instead we are dealing with peoples' own, aesthetic values and the scores are going to be all over the map. That's why it's so difficult to get into the 7's, let alone the 8's.
I'm a tough voter myself; my average vote cast is just over 5.0, and I believe that's right where it ought to be. I have high standards when it comes to judging photography, but I apply them consistently. Incidentally, I almost never give a vote lower than 4.
R. |
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11/30/2006 09:19:24 AM · #94 |
Originally posted by idnic:
We all wish everyone would vote the way we vote... just doesn't happen that way. |
Not quite. I can't vote a 10 on my own image. ;) |
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11/30/2006 09:33:47 AM · #95 |
One of my favorite things about DPC is that its a popularity contest being voted on by the competitors :-D
It's like having the entire student body running for Prom Queen and voting for Prom Queen at the same time. You just know ther are gonna be cat fights somewhere along the way.
I do notice one thing though..I never see people like Libroda or Joey or Heida complain too much about trolls and voting patterns even though they are easily identified as some of the best photogs here and they get their share of 1's and 2's on good images. It would seem they would have the biggest argument. :-/
Maybe they are more comfortable with their perspective on photography? :-/ |
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11/30/2006 09:35:51 AM · #96 |
What concerns me more is that voting now happens according to personal average vote given stats and for the reason of elevating average votes to "nice" status—above that holy 5.5 mark, right? Maybe scores get higher, but that style of voting isn't really any more unbiased that so called "trolling", is it?
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11/30/2006 09:44:07 AM · #97 |
Originally posted by salmiakki:
I wonder if some of the perceived low voting can be attributed to cultural differences. There has been much discussion on many threads about the DPC voting following academic scores. Different parts of the world have different academic scoring and maybe this influences the way people vote.
In the UK, when I went to school, which admittedly is a long time ago, a C= 50% and was considered a pass, a B=60% and A=70% and above. This probably influences the way I vote to a certain extent - certainly it's not intentional to vote low, but it's also difficult not to think A, B, C, D using the old high school marking system.
Perhaps others have the same kind of influences. |
I never considered this before, but I believe you are right...
In Denmark the schools work with a scale from 00 to 13 - and the extreme lows (00-03) are rarely used (It would almost take a "no show" to get a 00) and neither are the extreme highs (11-13). I believe this is reflected in the way I rate here at DPC: I rarely use 1,2,9 or 10 and most of my ratings are in the 4-7 area...
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11/30/2006 10:29:01 AM · #98 |
Oh for *u**s sake, who are we trying to kid here regarding popularity contests. Take a look at any Self-Portrait challenge, the popular DPC'ers will score highly on those with an average photo as the people are recognisable.
If you are popular & active on DPC,a regular poster to the forums, a user who feels they have to make a comment on every thread going... yup, they will get good votes regardless of image quality. Also, it seems a lot of the time people seem to know who's images are who's, even if the style is totally different. Weird that one.
I think a number of names spring to mind here.
Flame me if you want, but I posted last week regarding how the majority wants to be friends with the DPC jocks and they will comment on anything these `jocks` post in the forums, to raise their own profiles, and to be honest I regularly read these forums laughing at the patheticness of it all.
And to me, they are the biggest trolls of all.. |
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11/30/2006 10:35:03 AM · #99 |
Originally posted by hokie:
I do notice one thing though..I never see people like Libroda or Joey or Heida complain too much about trolls and voting patterns even though they are easily identified as some of the best photogs here and they get their share of 1's and 2's on good images. It would seem they would have the biggest argument. :-/
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I hardly ever see them post here. They're probably too busy thinking up and executing their next entries. ;)
When I see the 10's, 9's, and 8's ribbon winners usually get, I suspect a few 1's would have little effect except maybe the arriangement of the top 5.
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11/30/2006 10:41:18 AM · #100 |
Originally posted by silverscreen:
Originally posted by salmiakki:
I wonder if some of the perceived low voting can be attributed to cultural differences. There has been much discussion on many threads about the DPC voting following academic scores. Different parts of the world have different academic scoring and maybe this influences the way people vote.
In the UK, when I went to school, which admittedly is a long time ago, a C= 50% and was considered a pass, a B=60% and A=70% and above. This probably influences the way I vote to a certain extent - certainly it's not intentional to vote low, but it's also difficult not to think A, B, C, D using the old high school marking system.
Perhaps others have the same kind of influences. |
I never considered this before, but I believe you are right...
In Denmark the schools work with a scale from 00 to 13 - and the extreme lows (00-03) are rarely used (It would almost take a "no show" to get a 00) and neither are the extreme highs (11-13). I believe this is reflected in the way I rate here at DPC: I rarely use 1,2,9 or 10 and most of my ratings are in the 4-7 area... |
I think people are putting too much creedance in statistics in this discussion.
Most of the people here that are photographers and are in the business of advertising, marketing or selling see this behaviour in clients all the time.
For instance...Often times when I am going through a big pile of photos (stock or originals) invariably the client and I will prefer different images. Who is right? There is a theory that "He who pays the bills is right" ..however... The client is also paying for my advice and I would not be carrying out my responsiblilty if I didn't engage the customer in some discussion before final image selection.
My point... Even when money is at stake.. people go for the emotional choice. I rarely win my point with a client using demographic data. I always have a better chance of convincing people by figuring out where they are coming from emotionally and meeting that need.
Same here at DPC.
People hate technically bad photos, People hate cliches, People hate good photos, People feel threatened by certain photos. The Photos at DPC that walk the fine emotional line that says "Great photo AND non-threatening to some emotionally negative hot-button" do the best.
All this statistics and means and stuff is a load of crap when it comes to the human psyche and personal agendas.
Message edited by author 2006-11-30 10:42:53. |
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