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10/08/2003 11:16:14 AM · #1 |
Looking through some of my past comments I realized that I was being very negative. Although I do throw in a compliment when something really catches my fancy, I spend more time looking for things to complain about.
I just wanted to let everyone know that any negativity from me is not ment to discourage but rather to encourage. I have left negative comments on photos which I have rated 8 and even 9.
It's just my personal opinion that when you get it right, you know you did and there is little need to tell you. It's the little mistakes that you may not have realized.
BTW, is it just me or do other people find that you leave a large number of negative comments. |
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10/08/2003 11:24:42 AM · #2 |
| I find myself leaving comments more often when I see something wrong in an image, or something I would have done differently. But I think that is more constructive. We learn more that way than if people just say nice picture or nothing at all. I give compliments that are not at all constructive, or even criticism, when one really wows me. |
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10/08/2003 11:35:37 AM · #3 |
Hmm, sometimes a photographer likes to here what exactly or what in particular is working in the photo. They might know what about it works for them, but since they can never have a fresh eye (ie they always know what the picture looked like in context of everything else around) it is really helpful to have a second opinion. I know I value being told both what did not work for someone, as well as what did.
Of course gremlins alter my pictures at night, adding distracting elements in the background. Changing my sharp focus to something more blury, etc... :-)
Actually I find if I go back and relook at a photo after several days I am more able to see it for what is really there, rather then what I wanted or remember being there.
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10/08/2003 11:38:31 AM · #4 |
I looked at your comments Trinch and I think they are fine.
Frankly, for me -- it is those critiques that are hard on me that teach me the most. They are what I want more than anything!
Best,
Renee
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10/08/2003 11:47:13 AM · #5 |
| Don't be fooled Renee, the comments you looked at were from last week when I was in a good mood. ;) It's actually the comments I am making in the Urban challenge that are tending more on the negative side. |
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10/08/2003 03:44:52 PM · #6 |
hmmm, I think your doing just fine,, I may be biased as you are one of only two people that liked my urban shot....
I find I tend to leave comments when I have something positive to put with the critical.
I've stepped back a bit from my enthusiastic beginning and try and really be more detached when I comment. Even though when an image really moves me I get very enthusiastic. Other wise its much more clinical on my part. |
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10/08/2003 04:02:51 PM · #7 |
A good critique should give balanced feedback, pointing out some possible improvements but also highlighting the strengths. I have a tendency to stick to giving positive feedback, and highlighting what I like about photos. I rarely give comments on my lowest scores. Too lazy.
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10/08/2003 04:03:30 PM · #8 |
| Trinch why don't you criticise on your photos as well |
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10/08/2003 04:07:41 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by eikidigi:
Trinch why don't you criticise on your photos as well |
What??? And hurt my feelings. LOL
That's actually the part that bothers me the most. I feel hypocritical criticising someone elses work when I can't do any better myself. I like the balanced idea. Find something good, find something bad, and comment on both. |
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10/08/2003 04:07:59 PM · #10 |
The most helpful comment I've received was a bit negative but very constructive: "Needs more dramatic lighting..." A comment on a different photo was discouraging, but helpful: "The overall photo is a little boring." It made me realize that this is true of most of my photos! (Unfortunately, making photos universally exciting is not as easy as adjusting the lighting.)
Don't get me wrong; I love the comments that praise my photos. I've received several on my current challenge entries. And they're not just "Good job"; they explain why they like it. These are very helpful. But my overall scores are low, which doesn't bother me but it would be helpful to know why. |
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10/13/2003 11:40:25 AM · #11 |
I just want to say, I really appreciate all the comments on my submissions! It helps me out to know what I'm doing right or wrong.
I just wish I didn't have to see the point score you gave it along with the comment. If its not a 10, I don't want to see it. |
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10/13/2003 11:43:26 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by dr rick:
The most helpful comment I've received was a bit negative but very constructive: "Needs more dramatic lighting..." A comment on a different photo was discouraging, but helpful: "The overall photo is a little boring." It made me realize that this is true of most of my photos! (Unfortunately, making photos universally exciting is not as easy as adjusting the lighting.) |
Sounds like somethign I would say lol.
I do think lighting plays a huge part in good photography. A bad subject can easily be brought to life by decent lighting.
Conversly a good subject can appear flat and lifeless with poor lighting.
A good subject with good lights however, pheeeeeeeeew 10/10 |
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10/14/2003 12:57:02 AM · #13 |
It's just my personal opinion that when you get it right, you know you did and there is little need to tell you. It's the little mistakes that you may not have realized.
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I never learned anything from doing things right :-) I love hearing about the specific problems in my photos. Chances are I already know some things but not others. What I don't like is when people feel obligated to rip someone up one side and down the other. It's difficult not to take that personally.
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10/14/2003 02:33:40 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by jonpink:
Sounds like somethign I would say lol.
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Actually it's something you do say, Jon. It borders on the offensive, particularly from someone who hasn't marked a single comment as useful that I can find.
Ed
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10/14/2003 02:59:33 AM · #15 |
Have you heard of the saying "If you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all"? Well that is what I feel about some of the comments I've recieved. Some people have given me negative feedback without justifying themselves. I find this really annoying.
If you don't like someone's picture don't just say "oh it's crap" (for example) - please give a reason as to why you think it is crap, lame, or tacky.
If I have something I don't like in a picture I will try and find a different way of putting it - a way that will not be insulting to the photographer, but will make them think the same way you are.
Also let's not forget photography is a form of art, and every photographer out there has their own perseption of how they see an image. Let's try and keep an open mind as to what people are trying to say, and don't be streotypical - not everything has to be as it is.
Message edited by author 2006-03-23 04:42:36. |
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10/14/2003 04:34:09 AM · #16 |
Lets admit it, more people are bitchy rather than thankful, or complimentary.
We tend to look for faults more often than we look for what's good about almost anything.
So what's a few bad/negative comments as compared to how we look at life? I for one, would not get upset all over a negative comment. I appreciate anything the voter writes down. It helps me understand what others see in my photos. Thank you all.
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10/14/2003 05:05:56 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by e301:
Actually it's something you do say, Jon. It borders on the offensive, particularly from someone who hasn't marked a single comment as useful that I can find. |
What! Saying an image is boring or lacks impact lighting is not offensive nor is meant as offensive. It is my constructive critique of what I find it lacks. I don't have time to write essays about my feelings on each picture, taking the time to give a good & bad point about each one is time consuming enough.
People like you, whom take label others as 'bordering on the offensive' are the exact reasons some people don't bother to critique many images, and I for one am quite detered from doing so again becasue of people like yourself whom are quick to get upset by a comment.
In the current Exposed challenge, I have ranked and commented on every single image and thus far have recived around 20 personal thank-you's from people whom I told I found their image boring, or dull, or bad in some way, they appreciate someones time (as I do) in making a comment on their image - good OR bad.
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10/14/2003 10:00:53 AM · #18 |
I feel that comments about what you like go a lot farther than any negatives.
Negatives tend to indicate that you know more than that person about photography and even if that were true in some instances most people don't think youknow more than them..if so..why are you here associating with the "little " people :-)
Besides, I tend to think people know when they have screwed up just as often as when they think they did well.
Photography is an artistic endeavor to most and beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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10/14/2003 10:12:36 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by hokie:
I feel that comments about what you like go a lot farther than any negatives.
Negatives tend to indicate that you know more than that person about photography and even if that were true in some instances most people don't think youknow more than them..if so..why are you here associating with the "little " people :-)
Besides, I tend to think people know when they have screwed up just as often as when they think they did well.
Photography is an artistic endeavor to most and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. |
I try to leave both now, at least one thing I do like and I don't try to point out mistakes, just what about the shot doesn't appeal to me. I've been working on the wording with each challenge and yes, I do run on sometimes but I also type 60 WPM so it really doesn't take me that much extra time :)
Deannda
From the responses I've gotten so far I don't think I've offended anyone |
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10/14/2003 11:00:46 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by hokie:
I feel that comments about what you like go a lot farther than any negatives. |
Really? Does anyone else think this way? I love to get bad comments telling me what they don't like about the image. i woudl much rather have bad over positve if I had to choose. It's all nice getting a 'oh superb photograph - really great!' but that doesn't actualy help to improve it.
Originally posted by hokie:
Negatives tend to indicate that you know more than that person about photography |
In your mind only I would hope. I think it just shows someones personal taste. You don't have to be a good technical photographer to have an eye for a good photograph. Far from it in fact.
Originally posted by hokie:
Photography is an artistic endeavor to most and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. |
Not true, a lot of people do better on images they don't like, and the ones the love tend to do worse in many cases. |
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10/14/2003 11:17:02 AM · #21 |
An example of a comment that I consider negative and, more importantly, non-constructive, is this: "clever execution but sadly lacking any quality"...
While I was flattered to have been considered "clever", the comment just made me wonder what "quality" the commenter was referring to. And why was it sad (..that was the negative part)??
I don't love to get bad comments. I love to get comments that tell me what I've done that the viewer feels can be improved. Those are never "bad". It's called constructive criticism. A critique can ALWAYS be couched in positive terms. |
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10/14/2003 11:33:17 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by lenkphotos:
An example of a comment that I consider negative and, more importantly, non-constructive, is this: "clever execution but sadly lacking any quality"...
While I was flattered to have been considered "clever", the comment just made me wonder what "quality" the commenter was referring to. And why was it sad (..that was the negative part)??
I don't love to get bad comments. I love to get comments that tell me what I've done that the viewer feels can be improved. Those are never "bad". It's called constructive criticism. A critique can ALWAYS be couched in positive terms. |
What isn't constructive about it ? It says quite clearly that the commentor thinks you had a good idea, but didn't really make the best of it. It indicates that you need to re-evaluate the technical quality of the shot, be it the lighting, the camera handling, the processing or some other aspect of the technicals of the shot.
It might not be as detailed as you would like but someone took the time to point out what they felt was the good and bad points of your shot. Is that non-constructive ? They may not be correct and you can perfectly resonably decide that your shot is technically perfect, but it still is constructive to have someone point out that they don't think you made the most of it.
I'm certain we'd all love it if people could write long, detailed comments that broke out each and every part of what was good and bad, but there are a lot of shots and only so much time in the day. The comment in this case was pretty spot on and constructive, but it depends on wanting to learn or wanting to find offense.
Message edited by author 2003-10-14 11:35:40.
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10/14/2003 12:07:09 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
What isn't constructive about it ? It says quite clearly that the commentor thinks you had a good idea, but didn't really make the best of it. It indicates that you need to re-evaluate the technical quality of the shot, be it the lighting, the camera handling, the processing or some other aspect of the technicals of the shot.
It might not be as detailed as you would like but someone took the time to point out what they felt was the good and bad points of your shot. Is that non-constructive ? They may not be correct and you can perfectly resonably decide that your shot is technically perfect, but it still is constructive to have someone point out that they don't think you made the most of it.
I'm certain we'd all love it if people could write long, detailed comments that broke out each and every part of what was good and bad, but there are a lot of shots and only so much time in the day. The comment in this case was pretty spot on and constructive, but it depends on wanting to learn or wanting to find offense. |
Gordon, "sadly lacking any quality" doesn't tell me anything, other than that the viewer doesn't like the photo. That's fine, but it certainly isn't constructive. What is this "quality" he refers to? What can I learn from such a comment? Please don't get me wrong, I DO appreciate the time someone takes to comment. I just think the above is equivalent to saying "it's bad" or "I don't like it", in which case, just give it a 1 or 2 and be done with it. It wouldn't have taken any more time to say the quality of lighting or the compositional quality were bad, rather than just the "quality". Thanks.
Message edited by author 2003-10-14 12:07:49. |
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10/14/2003 01:33:26 PM · #24 |
The image your reffering to is this: //www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=40844
And yes I made the comment. For a start, if you have a problem understanding my comment, or need me to explain why not PM me personaly? i don't mind at all.
Anyway, to clarify better. what i mean is that I liked your idea - a lot. But it has no other qualities (to me), there is nothing in focus, there is nothing correctly exposed, and I don't feel that it's composed that well. 3 big elements of what i look for in a photograh, thus it had no quality to me.
If I thought it was just pure bad, belive me I would say, but i really liked your idea.
I don't have time to explain in this much detail on every photo, so perhaps it's just not worth commenting anymore as everyone seems to get upset with a negative here and there.
And for what it's worth, i gave you a 4. Not a 1 or a 2.
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10/14/2003 01:37:24 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by jonpink:
I don't have time to explain in this much detail on every photo, so perhaps it's just not worth commenting anymore as everyone seems to get upset with a negative here and there.
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You didn't upset me with your comment on my shot and like you said, if I had a problem understanding, I can always PM you. Please don't stop commenting. We need MORE people to comment, good or bad and if people can't take the bad then they shouldn't put their shots up for critique and for everyone to see!
Deannda
Already warned my daughter to expect negative comments on her Science Entry |
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