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Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8-4.5 DC Macro for Canon

05/14/2006 10:10:58 PM · #1

my entry is valid so please give me reasons for DQ? ok got6 my reasons, but i didnt remove any major elements in my photo i cloned out a light switch and picture that was in the background..how are they major elements they had nothing to do with the subject?

Message edited by author 2006-05-14 22:13:39.

Jutilda

Canon EOS-7D

05/14/2006 10:12:44 PM · #2

What happened???

ClubJuggle

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

05/14/2006 10:13:29 PM · #3

You removed a "busy" background from your photograph and replaced it with a featureless background. We have consistently ruled that removal of an entire background of a photograph is considered removal of a major element.

Sorry to see you DQed and I look forward to seeing you back in the challenges soon.

~Terry

Message edited by author 2006-05-14 22:14:07.

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

05/14/2006 10:14:13 PM · #4

i didnt remove the entire background, just two items.

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

ClubJuggle

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

05/14/2006 10:19:16 PM · #5

Originally posted by queanbeez:

i didnt remove the entire background, just two items.

Those two items are are very noticeable in your original. Their removal significantly changes the photograph, and as such I would consider them major elememts.

~Terry

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM

05/14/2006 10:28:55 PM · #6

guess i'll be running photos by SC before submitting because this is just bull^&%&%$, even though the entry was crap..i still have to have this in my profile along with being banned from the challenges.

oOWonderBreadOo

Canon EOS-5D

05/14/2006 10:33:58 PM · #7

I don't *think* you'll be banned from entries- your last DQ was more than 25 ago- isn't that the rules? (too lazy to look em up!) :0P

Phil

Canon EOS-7D

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Canon

05/14/2006 10:36:00 PM · #8

Yup. 2nd dq in your last 25 submissions will get you banned for a week. However, it's up to the SC and if she didn't realize the rules she might be given a 2nd chance. It's happened before.

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

05/14/2006 10:37:01 PM · #9

no i'm banned plus it brings me back to this entry which did the same thing and they didnt get DQ'ed. you guys seriously need to set rules and stick with them. dont pick and choose who gets DQ'ed when doing the same thing.

ClubJuggle

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

05/14/2006 10:41:08 PM · #10

Originally posted by queanbeez:

That edit was very different, actually. After cropping, nearly all of the background removal in this photograph was accomplished using a levels adjustment applied to the entire photograph. This is even legal in Basic Editing, and so far as I am aware there is no precedent for DQ'ing a photo based for a globally-applied levels adjustment.

~Terry

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

05/14/2006 10:44:52 PM · #11

The other thing about that bridge picture, was not only was there very little left to "edit" after cropping, what was there was a dark green/black area. One would assume it was trees, but there was not a definite "article" to define, it simply wasn't clear. The "editing" simply obscured an indistinguishable background feature.

In your picture, though it was "only two things" they were very prominent in the background.

edit -- changed the word spot to area

Message edited by author 2006-05-14 22:45:57.

ericwoo

Nikon Z7II

Nikon NIKKOR Z 24-120 f/4 S

05/14/2006 10:47:27 PM · #12

If this was the original image, and you took out the light switch on the right and the picture on the left you absolutely took major elements out. I'm no SC, but this one is pretty clear. My 2Â¢.

Beetle

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

05/14/2006 10:47:39 PM · #13

Paying attention to the background (which includes avoiding switches and pictures) is something we learn as we go along.

Dealing with them AFTER the fact in photoshop is - in my humble opinion - not the best way. Doing it right in the first place seems the best option to me.

Those elements in your background are certainly major and could have very easily been avoided.

I am very glad we have those rules because they force us to try harder.

RayEthier

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

05/14/2006 10:49:29 PM · #14

When one takes the time to peruse the contents of existing rules, and makes inquiries about any portions of these that they do not comprehend, then this type of situation does not arise.

Having looked at the photo, you could have quite easily solved your problem by pre-planning your shot so that the offending switch was not in view. That way, you would now be planning for your next shot, instead of accusing the SC of nonfeasance.

DO try to remember the old adage: " An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure".

Ray

05/14/2006 10:50:09 PM · #15

Originally posted by profile:

Dislikes:

People who jump to conclusions without READING

I read the rules...

05/14/2006 10:50:09 PM · #16

well to my understanding major elements had to do with the subject, not imperfecting crap in the background..but like i said i'll just show SC my photos before entering because i totally did not think this was illegal.

Originally posted by ericwoo:

If this was the original image, and you took out the light switch on the right and the picture on the left you absolutely took major elements out. I'm no SC, but this one is pretty clear. My 2Â¢.

05/14/2006 10:51:13 PM · #17

Originally posted by queanbeez:

well to my understanding major elements had to do with the subject

There are three things in the shot. You took out two...

05/14/2006 10:54:38 PM · #18

i understand that, but i thought the subject was the major element..but now i know..dont act like i didnt read the rules. reading and understanding are two different things considering i'm not the only one who was DQ'ed for the background issue.

Originally posted by TooCool:

Originally posted by queanbeez:
well to my understanding major elements had to do with the subject

There are three things in the shot. You took out two...

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

05/14/2006 10:56:27 PM · #19

Originally posted by queanbeez:

To be fair...

Nikon D200

05/14/2006 11:01:02 PM · #20

Originally posted by queanbeez:

i understand that, but i thought the subject was the major element..

Why would anyone want to remove the subject of their image?

Cam

Sony DSC-F717

05/14/2006 11:01:58 PM · #21

Its just best to move on, you have talent, your a good photographer...but it happens. I have had my DQ's.

Come back and you will be better then ever.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

05/14/2006 11:02:35 PM · #22

Originally posted by A1275:

Why would anyone want to remove the subject of their image?

Mother was having a bad hair day...

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

05/14/2006 11:04:29 PM · #23

We've been pretty consistent on backgrounds IMO. Major elements are NOT just the subject. It's anything that might be included in a basic description of the photograph, including background context. Both the original capture and the submitted bridge entry could reasonably be described as a man on a bridge with a dark background. At the final crop and "levels", there wasn't much detail to be removed- it was already a dark, nearly featureless background.

In yours, you've removed ALL of the background, essentially eliminating the context. A basic description of the image went from a vampire in a room to a vampire in...? If you had placed a sheet or blank posterboard behind you, it would have been fine (featureless background > featureless background).

Remember that the editing rules (both Advanced and Basic) are supposed to be for finishing touches. Sometimes the post-processing difference can be dramatic, but any prominent objects in your capture must remain discernible in your entry. The only exceptions are minor distractions like power lines or a stray hair or twig. If that wasn't clear to you before, hopefully it is now and you won't have to worry about it again. ;-)

fotomann_forever

05/14/2006 11:04:31 PM · #24

The major element clause is unclear, so it gets tricky at times. But, in this case I would have to say the light switch and painting are major elements.

I hate to say it, but ... that's how I see it.