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08/11/2003 05:49:19 PM · #1 |
There seems to be a lot of controversy about the voting process. I analyzed what I was doing after reading all of the posts and though it only fair for everyone to know how I vote.
First I triple rankâ€Â¦
One - Would I save it and did it meet the challenge? If either is no, rank 1-3
Two - OK, I would save it, but would I print it? If no, rank 4-7
Three - Yes, I would print itâ€Â¦ rank 8-10
Then I rank again within the groupingsâ€Â¦
1 Poor snapshot or didn̢۪t meet the challenge
2 Some though/time, but still a snapshot
3 Almost a picture
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4 Almost not a picture
5 Nice for historical reasons
6 Nice picture
7 Very nice picture
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8 Worthy of printing
9 Wow
10 Double Wow!
I look at creativity, ‘the challenge’, lighting, composition, exposure, focus, technique, and my own personal tastes or the wow factor.
Lastly, I review the groupings (1-10) again after all of the pictures have been voted upon as it provides a good comparison mechanism and helps you catch any errors you might have made along the way.
I am a very austere photo critic of others and even more so of myself. I have played with photography for over 20 years and it was part of my major in college. I have shot two weddings upon request, as gifts to the couples, however, even though they rejoiced in the results, I was never happy with them.
Enough said; now you can tear me upâ€Â¦ Here are my results of the ‘Right Angles’ Challenge:
1̢۪s = 10
2̢۪s = 80
3̢۪s = 113
4̢۪s = 29
5̢۪s = 9
6̢۪s = 3
7̢۪s = 3
8̢۪s = 2
9̢۪s = 1
10̢۪s= 1
By the way, if everyone votes according to their own method for every challenge, the end result is the same, regardless of the actual averages. Only our pride is hurt and that is probably a good thing.
Let the bashing beginâ€Â¦ or not.
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08/11/2003 05:54:28 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by hcljs:
By the way, if everyone votes according to their own method for every challenge, the end result is the same, regardless of the actual averages. Only our pride is hurt and that is probably a good thing.
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Although I am surprised with the very low scores you choose to give I do understand and agree with your point.
Provided each voter is consistent and fair with their voting according to their own scale then their voting can and should not be considered to be malicious/ unfair etc.
I think it's a shame you see merit in so few of the entries here but you clearly have a robust voting method (similar to my own 3+ pass system) and therefore I feel your voting is fair.
Just my opinion...
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08/11/2003 06:01:02 PM · #3 |
if every person would vote following your spirit of professionalism, I would pay ten times the bill to have the chance of being voted by them.
The problem, about the voting system is that all your committment can be deleted by a single "ghost user" which is faking votes.
Imagine how much damage ten of them could do then.
To have a criteria and a professional approach is important and admirable.
To protect the system is essential.
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08/11/2003 06:03:09 PM · #4 |
It's just a number... I don't particularly care to know how any individual votes. When I see people post their intricate voting strategies and formulas, It makes me wanna do something bad like go look at their photos and see if any of their own photos rate higher than a two or three on their own scales... :)
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08/11/2003 06:06:38 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
It's just a number... I don't particularly care to know how any individual votes. When I see people post their intricate voting strategies and formulas, It makes me wanna do something bad like go look at their photos and see if any of their own photos rate higher than a two or three on their own scales... :) |
I agree John but that's an acceptable part of humanity (I think).
Whoever commits himself as our friend could be wrong but has an essential value: it's real.
My nightmare in virtual and information systems is that everything is faked.. because it is possible to fake it.
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08/11/2003 07:24:22 PM · #6 |
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I guess, based on what you say of your photos and how tough you are on yourself, we will not have the opportunity to rate much of anything you do...we will just assume you put out sub-standard 3 and below work that is not worthy of your standards on DPC. to bad:( would like to see how well you would do here.
oh by the way I gave you a 5 for your in the garden shot. based on your system I should have given you a 2
Message edited by author 2003-08-11 19:29:48. |
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08/11/2003 07:34:48 PM · #7 |
Just out of interest, what are 'Historical Reasons' ?
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08/11/2003 07:47:51 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Konador:
Just out of interest, what are 'Historical Reasons' ? |
These are in the category of nice enough keep around as a keepsake. They are unique for the time and place. I believe that many journalist and documentary photos fall into this category.
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08/11/2003 08:00:34 PM · #9 |
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08/11/2003 08:06:25 PM · #10 |
hcljs;
With around 300 pictures in a challenge how much time do you spend before you have a final vote?
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08/11/2003 08:08:21 PM · #11 |
Damn thats a real complex voting system that dude has:o
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08/11/2003 08:18:54 PM · #12 |
I use the KISS method to vote, keep it simple stupid, this gives me more time for comments.
After I have voted on all the photos in a challenge and the little magician in the server has has grouped all photos according to the score given, I review each group and change scores if warranted. |
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08/11/2003 08:23:33 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by Nazgul:
Damn thats a real complex voting system that dude has:o |
and in all it's complexity yields an average vote cast of 2.52. Either his standards are really high, or the system needs work.
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08/11/2003 08:32:01 PM · #14 |
| Its the most stupid system Ive seen |
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08/11/2003 08:33:47 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Pedro:
Originally posted by Nazgul:
Damn thats a real complex voting system that dude has:o |
and in all it's complexity yields an average vote cast of 2.52. Either his standards are really high, or the system needs work. |
Cant see his standards beeing that high looking at his entry though:o
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08/11/2003 08:37:10 PM · #16 |
| Must be one of those downvoters Thinking he votes all the best pictures down so his will be higher and that system is a louse excuse for his extremely low avg. vote cast |
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08/11/2003 08:38:52 PM · #17 |
I feel that his voting average of 2.52 is truly unjust. I feel that if you are being fair while voting for each challenge, your average should be in the five's
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08/11/2003 08:41:17 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by heida:
Must be one of those downvoters Thinking he votes all the best pictures down so his will be higher and that system is a louse excuse for his extremely low avg. vote cast |
Oh yes, he MUST be! There is no other possible explaination!
Just because someone had high standards and knows what makes a great photo, it doesnt mean they can do it themselves. I can tell if someone can sing or not... it doesnt mean I can!
To be truthful, if you're comparing DPC to the "real world" photography market place, his voting average is about right. The overall quality of photos on DPC arent the best, which does have a lot to do with the stric editing rules, but still, everyone is entitled to vote against whatever criteria they want to.
Message edited by author 2003-08-11 20:42:51.
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08/11/2003 08:49:42 PM · #19 |
| Well this is not a professional photography website so I´m not voting by any lists because I think it wouldnt be fair |
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08/11/2003 08:51:28 PM · #20 |
Its just a choice. You can vote each photo on how it compares to other photos on the site, or you can vote on how each photo compares to every other photo you've seen. There is no right or wrong.
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08/11/2003 08:59:45 PM · #21 |
| Ofcourse people are free to vote as they wish and theyre also free to have opinions as they wish and this is just my opinion that I dont like this voting system |
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08/11/2003 09:05:22 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by heida:
Ofcourse people are free to vote as they wish and theyre also free to have opinions as they wish and this is just my opinion that I dont like this voting system |
Yeh thats true, you can have your opinions, but stating he must be doing it to downvote the best pics so his score will be higher isn't an opinion, it's an attack.
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08/11/2003 09:11:42 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by autool:
hcljs;
With around 300 pictures in a challenge how much time do you spend before you have a final vote? |
In the 'Right Angle' challenge (251 entries), I spent around a hour and a half to get through them all. I find the triple ranking part easy. Question one: If it was my photograph, would I use any disk space to keep it. Second question is, would I print it? Gets me into the second part in which I only have to rank the picture into 1,2,3 on either end, or 1,2,3,4 in the middle. Done... Going back and viewing the pictures according to how I ranked them took an additional 2 hours over a period of days. |
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08/11/2003 09:20:35 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by Chilly0999:
I feel that his voting average of 2.52 is truly unjust. I feel that if you are being fair while voting for each challenge, your average should be in the five's |
One vote for the bell curve... In the garden challenge, in which, the photo that I submitted got a 225/352 place (my voting didn't move this puppy and I got some great feedback); the pictures that were in my top 3, were in the top 5 (first, third, and fifth place). Did I make them win with my voting style????? What is just/unfair anyway?
Cheers,
Harold |
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08/11/2003 09:40:21 PM · #25 |
If someone votes every photo by the same standard, then they have voted fairly. It doesn't matter if their average comes out to 2.whatever or 7.whatever...
I think his method is a fine method... I have to wonder about the motives of the people that are trying to regulate how others can vote...
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