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04/28/2006 01:13:54 PM · #151 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
So we can kill film in favor of digital but we can't make a cheap renewable fuel
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
We can build a space station but we can't make a cheap renewable fuel...
We can......
You get my point. I guess it's just smarter to focus on finite fossil fuels. Yeah that makes sense!
Anybody got a 5'er I can borrow? |
FWIW, film prices are going up because of the rising costs of oil and silver, too... |
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04/28/2006 01:15:20 PM · #152 |
Originally posted by rocket:
Strange We in the UK have 4.545 litres to a gallon and you have 3.785412 liters in a gallon. We also spell Litres/Liters Differently |
Yep - people in English speaking countries could never agree. Imperial Gallon, US gallon liquid and US gallon dry... go figure.
At least a liter is a litre! :) |
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04/28/2006 01:24:07 PM · #153 |
My good old '98 Corolla just got 390 miles to the last 10.75 gallons of gas (36 MPG). I've seen gas prices go up, but really it hasn't done anything much to me other than make me laugh a little harder at the guy in a tie filling up his Tahoe or Gargantua.
I'm with fotomann...here's to $10/gallon gas! |
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04/28/2006 01:31:07 PM · #154 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
So we can kill film in favor of digital but we can't make a cheap renewable fuel
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
We can build a space station but we can't make a cheap renewable fuel...
We can......
You get my point. I guess it's just smarter to focus on finite fossil fuels. Yeah that makes sense!
Anybody got a 5'er I can borrow? |
yeah, but see, when we went to digital, it made the camera's 3 times the price at least.
Anyone really want to pay $60,000 for their next Honda Accord??
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04/28/2006 01:33:22 PM · #155 |
The issue that I understand about running more alcohol in the fuel is that the efficientcy goes way down. If you are getting 20mpg on gas, most likely you would only get 15 or less as the alcohol increase.
We need to go to alt fuel, but the mpg will suffer as a result. Hopefully the alcohol mix will be alot cheeper.
Fuel is running right at $3.00 a gal here.
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04/28/2006 01:37:08 PM · #156 |
That's not really my point.
My point is we have such amazing minds on this planet hell some on this site and we can't get it together to produce cheap renewable fuel.
Plus to rebuff your Honda analogy. This was posted today
Originally posted by photomikey:
From Beach Camera, a reputable seller.
It's refurbished, but still seems like a great deal to me. |
A d50 for 379.00
So even if it starts at 60k it will come down to 20k.
Message edited by author 2006-04-28 13:37:54. |
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04/28/2006 01:40:32 PM · #157 |
I dont know if this has been posted... but the other day i was sayin i know we have the Tec. to make a car Run on just the Solar energy but you know its all about the all mighty $$ and if that happens then i think alot of people would loose alot of money.....But im sure in the Heck Dont want to pay $60,000 for a new car! Hybrids are nice! but who wants to pay more money for a dang car just to save money on gas that you will end up paying back in your freakin car payments and APR %'s... any ways... i Can Feel it... Flying Cars are comming LOL.....Hello Jetson's!!
Message edited by author 2006-04-28 13:42:04.
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04/28/2006 01:46:51 PM · #158 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
My good old '98 Corolla just got 390 miles to the last 10.75 gallons of gas (36 MPG). I've seen gas prices go up, but really it hasn't done anything much to me other than make me laugh a little harder at the guy in a tie filling up his Tahoe or Gargantua.
I'm with fotomann...here's to $10/gallon gas! |
Why?! I drive my little 87 MR2 in the summer gets around the same MPG as your corolla, if Im nice to it. I don't want to be spending $100 just to fill the tank! Its like $.28 a mile I drive 30 miles to and from work a day $8.40 a day extra! Not to mention the effect of the price of EVERYTHING else that is shipped, trucked or trained will go Up. Also the price of heating your house, electricity. I don't really think you have thought this very much through. |
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04/28/2006 01:50:51 PM · #159 |
| In the US gas is still cheap compared to most of the rest of the world and that is why we use so much and why we haven't bothered to construct or use alternatives like busses and trollies and trains. Big cities have them, but they are underused. It is easier to hop into our cars. Alternative fuels cost money, but gas is so much cheaper that there is no incentive to use them by consumers or for companies to develop them. Technologically, things can be done, but at the present price of gasoline they are not worth doing. The price of gas needs to rise quite a bit more to get people to even think about doing something else. It is still pretty cheap, but worldwide demand is growing - China and India in particular so it will probably continue to rise. I am fortunate enough to live in walking distance from my job and do not even own a car, but few people have that luxury. |
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04/28/2006 02:40:59 PM · #160 |
With the cost of gas cheap, there is no incentive for the great minds to spend time looking for an alternative. Now, as gas prices rise, there is more demand for alternatives and the great minds will start working on it.
The great minds are not out there working for the good of society to be nice people. They are working for money and they work on what big companies pay them to work on.
...and my theory, if someone could come up with an easy efficent way to separate hydrogen and oxygen when in the water state, they could make a engine run on water. It would burn the hydrogen with the only emission being oxygen! I've witnessed a drop of water produce the equvilent of a shotgun blast when split and ignighted. Imagine being able to pee in your gas tank and drive to work off it.
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04/28/2006 02:51:57 PM · #161 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
...and my theory, if someone could come up with an easy efficent way to separate hydrogen and oxygen when in the water state, they could make a engine run on water. |
Yup, shame that spliting H2O to hydrogen and oxygen is endothermic - though it does mean that when you do actually burn hydrogen in oxygen the only byproduct is water and you do get some energy out!
More sensible would be producing hydrogen using renewable energy sources - you need to put energy in to split the hydrogen and oxygen, but that doesn't have to come from fossil fuels. |
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04/28/2006 02:57:26 PM · #162 |
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04/28/2006 03:14:06 PM · #163 |
Originally posted by MQuinn:
Why?! I drive my little 87 MR2 in the summer gets around the same MPG as your corolla, if Im nice to it. I don't want to be spending $100 just to fill the tank! Its like $.28 a mile I drive 30 miles to and from work a day $8.40 a day extra! Not to mention the effect of the price of EVERYTHING else that is shipped, trucked or trained will go Up. Also the price of heating your house, electricity. I don't really think you have thought this very much through. |
Basically because America will not change otherwise. We are lazy and have a lot of momentum to keeping status quo. Only if gas keeps rising to the point it hurts will we look for REAL long term solutions. What has congress come up with so far? A $100 rebate check per person? Congress collectively has the IQ of a fig newton. |
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04/28/2006 03:19:22 PM · #164 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by MQuinn:
Why?! I drive my little 87 MR2 in the summer gets around the same MPG as your corolla, if Im nice to it. I don't want to be spending $100 just to fill the tank! Its like $.28 a mile I drive 30 miles to and from work a day $8.40 a day extra! Not to mention the effect of the price of EVERYTHING else that is shipped, trucked or trained will go Up. Also the price of heating your house, electricity. I don't really think you have thought this very much through. |
Basically because America will not change otherwise. We are lazy and have a lot of momentum to keeping status quo. Only if gas keeps rising to the point it hurts will we look for REAL long term solutions. What has congress come up with so far? A $100 rebate check per person? Congress collectively has the IQ of a fig newton. |
I agree 100%. The worst part is that the rebate is a bribe to get permission to drill in Alaskan National Parks. It's like one of those fake checks you get from the phone company and when you sign it you get screwed. |
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04/28/2006 03:25:43 PM · #165 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by MQuinn:
Why?! I drive my little 87 MR2 in the summer gets around the same MPG as your corolla, if Im nice to it. I don't want to be spending $100 just to fill the tank! Its like $.28 a mile I drive 30 miles to and from work a day $8.40 a day extra! Not to mention the effect of the price of EVERYTHING else that is shipped, trucked or trained will go Up. Also the price of heating your house, electricity. I don't really think you have thought this very much through. |
Basically because America will not change otherwise. We are lazy and have a lot of momentum to keeping status quo. Only if gas keeps rising to the point it hurts will we look for REAL long term solutions. What has congress come up with so far? A $100 rebate check per person? Congress collectively has the IQ of a fig newton. |
EXACTLY!
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04/28/2006 03:34:13 PM · #166 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Basically because America will not change otherwise. We are lazy and have a lot of momentum to keeping status quo. Only if gas keeps rising to the point it hurts will we look for REAL long term solutions. What has congress come up with so far? A $100 rebate check per person? Congress collectively has the IQ of a fig newton. |
So lets punish all American's because some own SUV's? Will we change? Didn't really happen for long term after the last gas crunch for long term did it? I don't see how squeezing everyone is going to help anyone, its much more than just the price of gas involved here its the price of energy.
Oh and to add Congress IQ of a Fig Newton check out this BS
Message edited by author 2006-04-28 15:36:05. |
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04/28/2006 03:40:55 PM · #167 |
Originally posted by MQuinn:
So lets punish all American's because some own SUV's? Will we change? Didn't really happen for long term after the last gas crunch for long term did it? I don't see how squeezing everyone is going to help anyone, its much more than just the price of gas involved here its the price of energy. |
The difference between this gas crunch and the crunch of the 70s is that one was artificial. It was politics by OPEC and co that drove prices up in the short term. This crunch is real. Demand by 2+ billion Chinese and Indians is causing the price to rise. That demand is not going away anytime soon and is only going to get worse.
Last time congress probably thought they could ride it out with some token attempts at alternative fuels. This time they will think the same thing until they lose their job and the new people realize this time it ain't going away by itself. The age of even $40/barrel oil is behind us. |
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04/28/2006 04:13:17 PM · #168 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
The difference between this gas crunch and the crunch of the 70s is that one was artificial. It was politics by OPEC and co that drove prices up in the short term. This crunch is real. Demand by 2+ billion Chinese and Indians is causing the price to rise. That demand is not going away anytime soon and is only going to get worse. |
I Agree, However we get most our oil from Canada, and south America. The Oil companies are making bank off it.
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Last time congress probably thought they could ride it out with some token attempts at alternative fuels. This time they will think the same thing until they lose their job and the new people realize this time it ain't going away by itself. The age of even $40/barrel oil is behind us. |
That and the fact we have a President and Vice Pres. who is highly involved in the oil business. I personally don't take happiness in the fact some old widow is going to pay $200 a month just to heat her house in the winter, living off social security. Thats the people its really going to hurt, small businesses, and the low-mid level income families. If gas prices went to $10 a gallon tommarrow that would break the US economy, a huge reccession would follow. |
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04/28/2006 04:19:39 PM · #169 |
Well, I found a small solution to put some $$ back in my pockets... I bought some oil and gas stocks!! :-)
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04/28/2006 04:25:07 PM · #170 |
| My switch to a diesel car will put $2400 per year in my pocket. That's if fuel prices don't go any higher. The govt. can keep their measly $100 rebate check. |
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04/28/2006 04:41:10 PM · #171 |
While I ws doing my taxes, I found two 10-ride train tickets in my 2005 drawer. Only three of the twenty total rides had been cancelled.
I've been taking the train for almost two weeks now.
One week by train is $67.25 plus the annoyance of crowds and schedules. Commute time is about 2:45 total per day.
One week by car is $50 parking, plus roughly $50 gas, plus wear & tear of about 110km per day. Commute time is about 2:00 per day.
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04/28/2006 04:56:25 PM · #172 |
I'm sorry, I have not read this whole thread, but, has anyone thought maybe this is some huge scam to do two things.
1) Bring up Prez. Bush approval rating by having his Saudi buddies save the day by providing more oil.
2) Loosen up peoples oppinions on the Alaska thing to drill for oil, also potentially improving Prez. Bush approval rating.
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04/28/2006 04:56:59 PM · #173 |
Got Gas....?
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04/28/2006 04:57:13 PM · #174 |
Thanks for the link, this is great! We are almost at $3.00 here and even my nissan sentra is getting expensive. I parked the Explorer a while ago |
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04/28/2006 05:12:15 PM · #175 |
I have to ask, I've noticed many of you have relatively long commutes, and live in areas where public transportation is not a viable option (If it is please consider it! You can eat and read at the same time!). How come nobody is carpooling? I seem to remember park and rides in southern california, and I'd imagine something similar must exist in cities throughout North America. I understand many of you with families will say it's to difficult with the kids, but even one day a week to pool with your fellow co-workers would help, no? Or if you have kids, carpooling to and from their soccer/gymnastics/school/whatever?
If I buy a car, I'm buying a smartcar :D
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