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10/26/2005 01:26:05 PM · #1 |
Hi everybody, I am really amazed at how little time is spent among voters for each photo. Check this out
I know this one didnt deserve the blue ribbon, but I found myself struggling for the BROWN ribbon!! I couldn't beleive it... Im not an excellent photographer but this photo had in the concept a little of my admired ones around like Scalvert, take a look at this picture that was my first inspiration for my Reflection without Mirrors:
Anyway, my worst rating so far and the fact that it comes right after two consecutive top 20 is not the important thing about this, it's just a lesson for my humility. What is really important is that people in DPC can't see beyond the evident, and I just can't understand how it is possible that a so-called 'art' site can't get a proper concentration on detail... after all art is all made of details. I see there is a big problem where the majority of the voters grant a grade only for the first impression.
I think that we will all be better photographers if we learn to produce, observe and judge detail.
So... now that it is fully explained that my photo is NOT a reflection but rather a composition, where should I have placed?, please critique based on the new information. And I know light is too flat on my fathers face! :S I noticed in post-processing.
Thank you for your time :)
Message edited by author 2005-10-26 20:01:39. |
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10/26/2005 01:29:12 PM · #2 |
| wow. i hadn't seen your score yet. I thought your entry was very creative and well executed and one of the best in the challenge. you were completely robbed. |
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10/26/2005 01:31:00 PM · #3 |
Oddly enough, I had just sought out this image in the results planning to start a thread on it. I felt during voting that this was a remarkable outside-the-box image that deserved to do well despite its technically humdrum quality.
It could have been better lit and better processed for clarity & luminance value and I suspect it would have done better.
Of course, you'd always be faced with the undeniable fact that this is NOT a reflection, it's a "fantasy"; so many voters just wouldn't give it credit for meeting the challenge square on. Regardless, I like it a lot.
Robt.
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10/26/2005 01:34:51 PM · #4 |
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10/26/2005 01:41:43 PM · #5 |
| My wife saw it and immeidatly sad "Without Mirror" I informd her it wasnt a mirror. I could tell pretty quickly it was not a mirror. It is a very creative idea, but the way it was shot does give the impression it really was a mirror and just confused people. if you could have got more of a profile of the person whith his back to the camera it would have been more obvious(kinda hard to id a "reflection" of the face by the back of the head if they could have seen part of the face or a profile it would have helped, no idea how easy that would be to pull off though), as it was most people didn't catch the fact it was 2 models and whith the way it was set up after 10 mins I still couldn't convince my wife that it wasn't a mirror..dont worry though she didn't vote on it ;) |
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10/26/2005 01:45:54 PM · #6 |
| Actually, the challenge details were: Creatively photograph a reflecting surface that is not a mirror while keeping your camera out of the shot. You obviously had no reflective surface, and the shot was set up to imitate a mirror. How exactly did it meet the challenge? |
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10/26/2005 01:48:45 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by chaimelle:
Actually, the challenge details were: Creatively photograph a reflecting surface that is not a mirror while keeping your camera out of the shot. You obviously had no reflective surface, and the shot was set up to imitate a mirror. How exactly did it meet the challenge? |
That's the outside-the-box part, and that's why it would never finish high. But it's still a creative take, to con us into thinking we're actually looking at a mirror, which is explicitly forbidden by the challenge description.
Robt.
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10/26/2005 02:01:23 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by chaimelle:
Actually, the challenge details were: Creatively photograph a reflecting surface that is not a mirror while keeping your camera out of the shot. You obviously had no reflective surface, and the shot was set up to imitate a mirror. How exactly did it meet the challenge? |
I would say the surface is "virtual". There were other entries which did the same thing. The first challenge had some twins who did quite well. This challenge had a few symmetrical rooms. It's "out of the box" for sure, and thus exposed to the few who feel it does not meet muster (and it's their right), but I'd count it.
I gave the picture a 5. Not because it was a mirror, but the picture did little more for me than display a great illusion. Had the composition been able to show your face more (and thus let us be able to see both the similarities and differences between you and your father), I think it would have been better. We all see our parents reflected in the mirror at times, this would be a great take on that.
I had a little trouble with the trickery in my photo, but not nearly as much as you. One person thought my reflection was a photo and it sounds like they voted me down. Oh well, c'est la vie. |
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10/26/2005 02:04:03 PM · #9 |
There's also the 2 inverted jets in this challenge, no reflective surface, illusion of a reflection, didn't do very well either but good thinking from my perspective.
R.
Message edited by author 2005-10-26 14:04:15.
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10/26/2005 02:06:06 PM · #10 |
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10/26/2005 02:07:19 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by chaimelle:
Actually, the challenge details were: Creatively photograph a reflecting surface that is not a mirror while keeping your camera out of the shot. You obviously had no reflective surface, and the shot was set up to imitate a mirror. How exactly did it meet the challenge? |
Here's a top 20 image from the first Reflections without mirrors...
//dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=6633
The challenge description back in 2002:Details: Photographing a reflection is easy. Now, here's the hard part: don't use a mirror as your reflective surface and don't show your camera in the picture!
I personally loved the concept, but only scored it as middle of the road based on the dull qualities of the image.
Dare I say the vast majority are literalists (is that a word?)compared to 3 yrs ago...
Part of the beauty of photography is not only the perfection of the mechanics, but what you can make people see your vision... many have lost the inner vision.
Message edited by author 2005-10-26 14:12:25.
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10/26/2005 02:08:50 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by chaimelle:
Actually, the challenge details were: Creatively photograph a reflecting surface that is not a mirror while keeping your camera out of the shot. You obviously had no reflective surface, and the shot was set up to imitate a mirror. How exactly did it meet the challenge? |
If we're gonna get technical, everything we photograph (except maybe the sun) is a "reflecting" surface -- we (and the camera) see by reflected light.
I admit it's a diffuse reflection, not showing much detail beyond albedo level and color, but everything in that photo reflected light from the (non-visible) source to the lens.
Note that the earlier version of this challenge was also more open to the concept of "reflection" as an inwardly-directed thought process or contemplation, a theme which is clearly reflected in this composition.
Message edited by author 2005-10-26 14:09:31. |
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